http://www.blackwaterusa.com/
So I was recently listening to some liberal propaganda and this guy was talking about this company called Blackwater that is a private buisness which is payed by the goverernment to do stuff...stuff like military operations.. and the like
so naturally these guys are getting pretty stinking rich... They are based in one of the Carolinas but they have divisions across the country..
The thing that stuck me about these guys was it was mentioned that because they are hired by the a certain part of the governemnt that their information can be concidered classified.... even to congress., that apparently congress has ordered them to hand over information at which they were allowed to refuse....
Ok, so here you have a large military group... a private "army" if you will that is paid and takes it's orders from the Administration and is not held under the same.... uh "light" or scrutiny or oversight.. as the United States Armed Forces.
Does this strike anyone else as alarming?
any other liberal nutjobs?
Edited, Mar 20th 2007 3:28pm by Kelvyquayo
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I do, it's insane...
But then again, in Communist Europe, banned are private companies.
Also what is this "congress" you refer too?
But then again, in Communist Europe, banned are private companies.
Also what is this "congress" you refer too?
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I'm too lazy to read this article.
If you ask nice, they will give you rides in their Black Helicopters.
I thought this thread was about the Doobie Brothers.
For shame.
For shame.
I watched The Manchurian Candidate on TNT this past weekend. Do you think Cheney is under mind control? I sure hope so.
Reading the title I thought you were referring to the river in Florida. I went canoeing/camping on it once. We got into all sorts of trouble. Naked girls and fights with canoe paddles were involved.
I read the first 2 lines on their web-site and the redundancy nearly knocked me unconscious.
I read the first 2 lines on their web-site and the redundancy nearly knocked me unconscious.
Some people are like slinkies, they aren't really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
Honestly, I don't know enough about it. Are they being used for security or for bona fide military operations?
An article referring to them suggests that they are working as 'security' although they are being subcontracted by companies who are being paid by the US government. In which case, I believe that Congress should have oversight into their operations in Iraq. This is nothing partisan -- any company's subcontractors are open to review by the general contractor in the business world.
On the other hand, this article suggests that Blackwater is being used more directly by the government/armed forces as mercenaries:Wasn't Totem once soliciting opinions on flying helicopters for one of these firms? I don't know enough about the issue to really have an opinion but it's definately interesting.
An article referring to them suggests that they are working as 'security' although they are being subcontracted by companies who are being paid by the US government. In which case, I believe that Congress should have oversight into their operations in Iraq. This is nothing partisan -- any company's subcontractors are open to review by the general contractor in the business world.
On the other hand, this article suggests that Blackwater is being used more directly by the government/armed forces as mercenaries:
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This week's hearings are a reflection of mounting congressional concern about the unprecedented privatization of warfighting. According to a recent Pentagon estimate, there are now some 100,000 government contractors operating in Iraq – a number that is approaching the size of the U.S. military force there.
Sen. Jim Webb of Virginia, whose election in November was crucial in tipping the Senate to Democratic control, raised the issue last week during confirmation hearings for Gen. George Casey, the outgoing top U.S. general in Iraq who has been nominated for Army chief of staff.
"This is a rent-an-army out there," Webb said, noting that in nearly four years of war no civilian contractor has yet been prosecuted for misconduct in Iraq.
"Wouldn't it be better for this country if those tasks, particularly the quasi-military gunfighting tasks, were being performed by active-duty military soldiers in terms of cost and accountability?" Webb, a Vietnam veteran and former Navy secretary, asked Casey.
"It's important that they are used – these contractors are used for logistics-type skills and not necessarily the combat skills," Casey replied, referring to armed security contractors like those fielded by Blackwater. "Those are the ones that we have to watch very carefully."
Sen. Jim Webb of Virginia, whose election in November was crucial in tipping the Senate to Democratic control, raised the issue last week during confirmation hearings for Gen. George Casey, the outgoing top U.S. general in Iraq who has been nominated for Army chief of staff.
"This is a rent-an-army out there," Webb said, noting that in nearly four years of war no civilian contractor has yet been prosecuted for misconduct in Iraq.
"Wouldn't it be better for this country if those tasks, particularly the quasi-military gunfighting tasks, were being performed by active-duty military soldiers in terms of cost and accountability?" Webb, a Vietnam veteran and former Navy secretary, asked Casey.
"It's important that they are used – these contractors are used for logistics-type skills and not necessarily the combat skills," Casey replied, referring to armed security contractors like those fielded by Blackwater. "Those are the ones that we have to watch very carefully."
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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Wasn't Totem once soliciting opinions on flying helicopters for one of these firms?
That would definitly be a Black Helicopter.
at least Ioph still loves me.
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Blackwater, by its own admission, says on its web site: “We are not simply a private security company. We are a professional military, law enforcement, security, peacekeeping, and stability operations firm who provides turnkey solutions. We assist with the development of national and global security policies and military transformation plans.â€
Blackwater co-founder, fellow Navy Seal, and president Gary Jackson has great aspirations for the company. He has stated, "I would like to have the largest, most professional private army in the world."
Blackwater co-founder, fellow Navy Seal, and president Gary Jackson has great aspirations for the company. He has stated, "I would like to have the largest, most professional private army in the world."
The new Praetorian guard.
Kelvyquayo the Irrelevant wrote:
The new Praetorian guard.
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
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Already, private contractors constitute the second-largest "force" in Iraq. At last count, there were about 100,000 contractors in Iraq, of which 48,000 work as private soldiers, according to a Government Accountability Office report. These soldiers have operated with almost no oversight or effective legal constraints and are an undeclared expansion of the scope of the occupation. Many of these contractors make up to $1,000 a day, far more than active-duty soldiers. What's more, these forces are politically expedient, as contractor deaths go uncounted in the official toll.
Blackwater began in 1996 with a private military training camp "to fulfill the anticipated demand for government outsourcing." Today, its contacts run from deep inside the military and intelligence agencies to the upper echelons of the White House. It has secured a status as the elite Praetorian Guard for the global war on terror, with the largest private military base in the world, a fleet of 20 aircraft and 20,000 soldiers at the ready.
Blackwater began in 1996 with a private military training camp "to fulfill the anticipated demand for government outsourcing." Today, its contacts run from deep inside the military and intelligence agencies to the upper echelons of the White House. It has secured a status as the elite Praetorian Guard for the global war on terror, with the largest private military base in the world, a fleet of 20 aircraft and 20,000 soldiers at the ready.
Fairly old news. but none the less of a worry.
They were also deployed in NO after Katrina. True that....
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
What is this, Treadstone?
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
I'm just sayin'; project these patterns ahead about 25-50 years and what we gonna have?
SPARTANS!!!!!!
SPARTANS!!!!!!
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noting that in nearly four years of war no civilian contractor has yet been prosecuted for misconduct in Iraq.
Ah, that's why the liberals are really complaining, eh?
Kelvyquayo the Irrelevant wrote:
I'm just sayin'; project these patterns ahead about 25-50 years and what we gonna have?
SPARTANS!!!!!!
SPARTANS!!!!!!
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