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I just called my store. They said that even though payday is last Friday, my check wont be in till tomorrow or wednesday. I'm pretty sure I have a growing case here...
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The World Is Not A Cold Dead Place.
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Eske wrote:
I've always read Driftwood as the straight man in varus' double act. It helps if you read all of his posts in the voice of Droopy Dog.
That is why I'm self-employeed.
I would contact a Labor Attorney by phone for a free consultation. The laws everywhere are different, but the same policies usually prompt the laws, and what these Owners are doing might fall under a different law than you think.
Since they are stupidly firing people instead of letting them quit, they seem to have ended up firing a significant portion of their workforce. When Companies fire more than a certain % of their workforce different labor laws kick in. The law here in NY, as I remember it from past research, is that if a company with more than 30 employees (might be higher?) fires more than 60% (might be higher?) of their workforce w/o cause in a short time period, they are required to give 12 weeks pay instead of whatever is normal, lets say 2 weeks.
The purpose of the law is to deter owners from liquidating companies for a profit and therefore shafting the voters, er, employees. The owner can still liquidate, but the cost is higher, thus providing a deterrence to mass layoffs. I suspect Canada to have similar laws for the same reasons, which you would need to know the details of to see if they apply in this situation.
The owners’ foolish decisions to fire people for quitting may end up hitting them in the pocketbook hard.
Edited, Mar 19th 2007 2:03pm by fhrugby
Since they are stupidly firing people instead of letting them quit, they seem to have ended up firing a significant portion of their workforce. When Companies fire more than a certain % of their workforce different labor laws kick in. The law here in NY, as I remember it from past research, is that if a company with more than 30 employees (might be higher?) fires more than 60% (might be higher?) of their workforce w/o cause in a short time period, they are required to give 12 weeks pay instead of whatever is normal, lets say 2 weeks.
The purpose of the law is to deter owners from liquidating companies for a profit and therefore shafting the voters, er, employees. The owner can still liquidate, but the cost is higher, thus providing a deterrence to mass layoffs. I suspect Canada to have similar laws for the same reasons, which you would need to know the details of to see if they apply in this situation.
The owners’ foolish decisions to fire people for quitting may end up hitting them in the pocketbook hard.
Edited, Mar 19th 2007 2:03pm by fhrugby
Samira wrote:
Nothing like getting drama over with in a few days. Usually it drags on for weeks.
My work drama seems like it's going to last a while. I wish I could post details on it, but it's stuff I can't post open web. There are a few admins here who know what I'm talking about. Let's just say...payroll is an interesting line of work.
Driftwood wrote:
Related Topic: After how many days of my paycheck being late should I actually do something about it?
Depends on Provincial labour laws for you. Usually it's around 10 days after the pay period ends.
And Bhodi, one thing to keep in mind, it always seems easier to find a job while still employed. If you think you're going to quit, start looking for another job, then give your 2 weeks notice once you get one. It's likely they'll fire you anyway at that point, so you could start the new job as soon as you wanted and still get paid from the current employer once the claim goes through.
Regardless, if you want to get paid through a claim, its a good idea not to say anything that they could fire you over or else you won't stand a chance on that claim. With them firing so many people, odds are, that gives you more freedom in what you could get away with saying, but you still wanna be careful on what is said.
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Overlord Uglysasquatch wrote:
Regardless, if you want to get paid through a claim, its a good idea not to say anything that they could fire you over or else you won't stand a chance on that claim.
That is what I figured so I kept my mouth shut.
They are down to myself and one other fellow (a dirty el salvadorian). They still want to be open full time which is ludicrous seeing as how usually we usually have at minimum 4 guys on a day. Frankly there is no way I am going to hump it while they desperately try to find replacements and train them up. Let them close down for a couple days, why should I care? I contacted my direct manager who had been fired and apparently the owners had brought him to their office and wanted him to beg for his job, when he said he was firm in leaving they fired him on the spot and told him to go f'uck himself.
I got a hold of the the rest of the fired staff and they have all contacted the Labour board and are waiting the 10 days to see if they get the money owed. So the owners are looking at at least 4 seperate investigations by the labour board if they don't pay up.
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
Scratch the first half of my last post. Get off the burning ship now! Fuck them, no job is worth deal with the land slide of shit that's about to occur.
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Bodhi, your work stories are always the best. I'm actually interested in hearing how this ends.
bodhisattva wrote:
Overlord Uglysasquatch wrote:
Regardless, if you want to get paid through a claim, its a good idea not to say anything that they could fire you over or else you won't stand a chance on that claim.
That is what I figured so I kept my mouth shut.
They are down to myself and one other fellow (a dirty el salvadorian). They still want to be open full time which is ludicrous seeing as how usually we usually have at minimum 4 guys on a day. Frankly there is no way I am going to hump it while they desperately try to find replacements and train them up. Let them close down for a couple days, why should I care? I contacted my direct manager who had been fired and apparently the owners had brought him to their office and wanted him to beg for his job, when he said he was firm in leaving they fired him on the spot and told him to go f'uck himself.
I got a hold of the the rest of the fired staff and they have all contacted the Labour board and are waiting the 10 days to see if they get the money owed. So the owners are looking at at least 4 seperate investigations by the labour board if they don't pay up.
I'd start looking for a new job.
Once you have one in your back pocket you can tell those losers to shove it.
"I have lost my way
But I hear a tale
About a heaven in Alberta
Where they've got all hell for a basement"
But I hear a tale
About a heaven in Alberta
Where they've got all hell for a basement"
Bodhi, get a real job you slacker. Licking envelopes does not constitute a real job.
I gave them my two weeks this afternoon. Told them that I wanted to actually finish it and that I would hustle it tomorrow just as much as I have hustled it out since I started. The guy seem impressed.
Tomorrow is a day off and who knows what Thursday will bring though?
Interesting side story, my El Salvadorian compatriot had his cell phone and 30 gig ipod stolen from work yesterday. Which is unheard of, we have such a tight knit staff of people that work there that it was improbable that someone stole it when they had a chance to steal it every day of every month since he got it for xmas.
However we did have two new staff members that day. So the cops were called. One was taken out by the 5-0 during his shift and had a chat and repeatedly claimed not to have stolen it. The other was at home and when the police arrived they grilled him until he gave up the goods.
Which was the first bit of good news I have heard at work in a long time.
Tomorrow is a day off and who knows what Thursday will bring though?
Interesting side story, my El Salvadorian compatriot had his cell phone and 30 gig ipod stolen from work yesterday. Which is unheard of, we have such a tight knit staff of people that work there that it was improbable that someone stole it when they had a chance to steal it every day of every month since he got it for xmas.
However we did have two new staff members that day. So the cops were called. One was taken out by the 5-0 during his shift and had a chat and repeatedly claimed not to have stolen it. The other was at home and when the police arrived they grilled him until he gave up the goods.
Which was the first bit of good news I have heard at work in a long time.
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
People love to persecute the brown. 
Congratulations on leaving a ****** work situation. Hopefully something bigger and better will come along.
Congratulations on leaving a ****** work situation. Hopefully something bigger and better will come along.
Hope your leaving your job goes a lot smoother than your other former coworkers Bohdi.
Ooooo boy, this is another illustration to me how greatly stress and grief in someone's personal life can affect their behavior.
When I was younger I had a male relative who was part owner of a business that was really close to my school bus route. I used to drop in fairly frequently, and worked there during some holidays.
His marriage fell apart, and he sepperated and divorced. During that time, I couldn't believe how he behaved at work. Formerly, he was this really sweet, lovely guy, very intelligent and responsible. During the marriage break down, he behaved totally unacceptably at work. He blew up enourmously over little things. He screamed and swore at the secretaries, and said really terrible things. He yelled and swore and carried on at his partners, when they hadn't done anything wrong.
One thing he was so frustrated at: the business was doing really badly, only making a 3% profit. No wonder, when he was behaving like that. I was really shocked at his behaviour and was amazed at the transfomation in his personality.
The day after the first time your pay is late, you should talk about it with your employer. Register your concern right away. If they change the pay system, they should be able to manage it so that the money is still available in your bank account on the usual payday. If they were cahnging to a mail-out system, then it ought to have been mailed out earlier to give time for it to arrive.
Being late on one payday is forgivable if they are changing systems. Being late twice ought to be strongly protested to your employer. Being late three times, you ought to start tentatively looking for a new job, and look into what sort of officals you can get to look at it for you. it's up to you at what point you start taking official action.
When I was younger I had a male relative who was part owner of a business that was really close to my school bus route. I used to drop in fairly frequently, and worked there during some holidays.
His marriage fell apart, and he sepperated and divorced. During that time, I couldn't believe how he behaved at work. Formerly, he was this really sweet, lovely guy, very intelligent and responsible. During the marriage break down, he behaved totally unacceptably at work. He blew up enourmously over little things. He screamed and swore at the secretaries, and said really terrible things. He yelled and swore and carried on at his partners, when they hadn't done anything wrong.
One thing he was so frustrated at: the business was doing really badly, only making a 3% profit. No wonder, when he was behaving like that. I was really shocked at his behaviour and was amazed at the transfomation in his personality.
The day after the first time your pay is late, you should talk about it with your employer. Register your concern right away. If they change the pay system, they should be able to manage it so that the money is still available in your bank account on the usual payday. If they were cahnging to a mail-out system, then it ought to have been mailed out earlier to give time for it to arrive.
Being late on one payday is forgivable if they are changing systems. Being late twice ought to be strongly protested to your employer. Being late three times, you ought to start tentatively looking for a new job, and look into what sort of officals you can get to look at it for you. it's up to you at what point you start taking official action.
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