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There is no other crime in US law that I'm aware of where the accuser can make her accusation while remaining effectively anonymous.
You mean because of decades of public character assassination by defense attorneys made it nearly impossible for women who were raped to go through an excruciating trial while trying to recover from immense psychological damage? IT works so well, too. I mean no one ever finds out the identity of the victims or speculates about their sexual history or mental state in the press. The Kobe Bryant trial, for example, the alleged victim there was treated with kid gloves.
Couple that with the high degree of sensation (and therefore media play) in a rape case, and the massive negative reaction towards anyone accused of rape, and you've got a triple whammy that is going to make some women think "Gee. I can accuse him of rape.
You're out of your mind. You live in some strange fantasy world where the possibility of something you're clearly terrified of happening means it's commonplace.
I don't need to have anyone know that I'm the accuser. He gets raked through the coals, but when the case falls apart, no one will ever reveal my identity nor even bother with a story...".
Right, no one knows the identity of the victims in the Kobe Bryant case, or the William Kennedy Smith case etc. Also, there's a difference between not being able to meet a legal standard of proof and something not happening. A case 'falling apart' doesn't necessitate a false accusation of rape. I'd imagine the actual incidence of false reports of rape is somewhere in the neighborhood of .1%. If it's even that high.
It's the perfect way to get back at someone. And that's exactly what has been happening.
No, it's obviously what you're deeply afraid of happening. I'm not sure why, maybe you've had a lot of reluctant sexual partners, or you were falsely accused yourself, or whatever, but you're way, way, way off the scale far away from the reality.
But apparently not enough to realize that if we encourage and allow women to abuse the "special rights" afforded them in the case of a rape, the result is that women who are actually raped will find it harder to have their cases taken seriously. Sure. Right now, everyone's going overboard everytime some big rape case hits the news. But as time goes by and more and more of those cases end up being lies, what do you think that does to women who are really raped?
I can't think of a 'big rape case' where it's been even vaguely determined that a false allegation was made. Can you?
Funny that you can say "complex understanding of societal dynamics", but don't seem to have a clue what it actually means.
Right, what would I know about it. What would Nexa know about it. What would anyone who's spent years studying the actual subject know about it relative to a Unix admin who watches Nancy Grace. Your credentials are unassailable.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
Don't forget how the Duke faculty and students lined up to protest and assumed them guilty. The Progressive thing to do now is Class Action lawsuits under Title IX for failure to provide equal resources for men falsely accused of rape as exist for women who report rape. We're not only talking big 8-9 figures in an easy pay day bonanza, but real change that will irk the hell out of liberals. Amirite?
The Progressive thing to do now is Class Action lawsuits under Title IX for failure to provide equal resources for men falsely accused of rape as exist for women who report rape.
You age like a fine wine the more I read your posts.
Seriously. You've gone from bewildering clinically insane to funny clinical insane.
Disclaimer:
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
Smasharoo wrote:
It's the perfect way to get back at someone. And that's exactly what has been happening.
No, it's obviously what you're deeply afraid of happening. I'm not sure why, maybe you've had a lot of reluctant sexual partners, or you were falsely accused yourself, or whatever, but you're way, way, way off the scale far away from the reality.
I've wondered why gbaji is so skeptical of women who claim to be victims of rape, as well. I mean, we're coming up on the ten-year anniversary of when I was falsely accused, and even I can still accept the fact that sometimes women are actually telling the truth.
I do agree that it's awfully easy for the allegation to be made for unjustified reasons, such as revenge or to cover the *** of the accusor, but I can't really imagine a better way of doing things, and needless to say, I've given it some thought. From personal experience, though, I do have some misgivings concerning 'rape-shield' legislation and the effect it can have on a person's ability to present an adequate defense. On the other hand, if Kobe has taught us anything it's that with enough money you can apparently bypass the laws which protect the accusor from slander. That's a whole 'nother can of worms, though, and one where I can only say, fUck you, Colorado.
Long story short, it's even creepier when I'm actually sincere, isn't it?
Edited because the subject gets me all ********** and I forget brackets and add extra words and stuff.
Edited, Mar 12th 2007 9:02pm by Barkingturtle
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Long story short, it's even creepier when I'm actually sincere, isn't it?
Not as creepy as the thought of gbaji and MonkSnot going halves on a windowless van, but pretty disturbing, sure.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Nexa wrote:
yossarian wrote:
Um, if he raped her before I think sitting on a swing with the guy is a bad idea. I've never been raped before - I imagine it would be horrific. I would tell the guy to leave and if he didn't I'd call the cops.
It is not at all uncommon, and also underreported, to be raped by one's partner. I have no idea as to the details of this particular story, I haven't even read the article. I'm just mentioning it.
Nexa
Are you saying that sticking my bratwurst into her rye buns while she's asleep is rape?
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
The best thing is just to hope that one day gbaji gets butt-raped by a College Football Team.
His opinion on the subject might just evolve a bit then.
Until then, yeah, keep banging on about these rape victims. Cos if there's one thing that's really wrong with society today it's those damn rape victims!
Bunch of attention-seekers, all of them!
His opinion on the subject might just evolve a bit then.
Until then, yeah, keep banging on about these rape victims. Cos if there's one thing that's really wrong with society today it's those damn rape victims!
Bunch of attention-seekers, all of them!
gbaji wrote:
There is no other crime in US law that I'm aware of where the accuser can make her accusation while remaining effectively anonymous.
There is no other crime in the US that I'm aware of where the victim is referred to as "the accuser" until the outcome of a trial. Women who report rape are guilty of lying until proven innocent.
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Couple that with the high degree of sensation (and therefore media play) in a rape case, and the massive negative reaction towards anyone accused of rape, and you've got a triple whammy that is going to make some women think "Gee. I can accuse him of rape. I don't need to have anyone know that I'm the accuser. He gets raked through the coals, but when the case falls apart, no one will ever reveal my identity nor even bother with a story...".
I admit I'm biased in only having worked with real rape victims here, but most of those who didn't report it were concerned about the opposite...that everyone WOULD know, that everyone WOULD question them, that everyone WOULD question their past sexual partners, their high school teachers, and their cheerleading coach. They were afraid of their children knowing what had happened (especially when it was the children's father who was guilty), they were afraid of their parents and friends knowing what had happened. They were mostly afraid that after telling someone something so horrifying painful, humiliating, and personal, that they wouldn't be believed.
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It's the perfect way to get back at someone. And that's exactly what has been happening.
Maybe for a very few very stupid (and very mentally ill) women who don't realize how long, painful, and not-worthwhile the process will be. It's the reason so many rape victims don't even report it, it's just more abuse.
Nexa
“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.â€
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
Though I don't too much care for gbaji I'll have to side with him on this. The woman's story makes no fucking sense.
1. This dude rapes her.
2. Then she sits and has a chat with him. (inconsistency #1)
3. Then she invites him over. (Inconsistency #2)
4. While he is over she gets him drinking. (Inconsistency #3)
Ironic, wife calls while the "victim" is being "raped".
1. This dude rapes her.
2. Then she sits and has a chat with him. (inconsistency #1)
3. Then she invites him over. (Inconsistency #2)
4. While he is over she gets him drinking. (Inconsistency #3)
Ironic, wife calls while the "victim" is being "raped".
King Rimesume wrote:
Though I don't too much care for gbaji I'll have to side with him on this. The woman's story makes no fucking sense.
Let's hope so. That way it can get major press and be used as an example of how women are just always lying about being raped, even if this is a one in a thousand case.
Nex
“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.â€
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
Nexa wrote:
King Rimesume wrote:
Though I don't too much care for gbaji I'll have to side with him on this. The woman's story makes no fucking sense.
Let's hope so. That way it can get major press and be used as an example of how women are just always lying about being raped, even if this is a one in a thousand case.
Nex
I understand that position. In this particular case the womans story simply doesn't add up. I firmly believe no woman being raped would have a chat with their rapist much less invite the piece of shit in for a drink.
Nexa wrote:
Let's hope so. That way it can get major press and be used as an example of how women are just always lying about being raped, even if this is a one in a thousand case.
Nex
Nex
I'm with nex on that one, and not just cos she's hot, the publicity these "fake-rape" victims get far outweighs the publicity other people in similar circumstances get.
When people fraudulently report stolen stuff for insurance purposes, you don't hear about it in the media. When people illegally slander someone else's reputation through lies and smear, you don't hear much about it.
Yet, as soon as girl falsely accuses someone of rape, it's in the headlines. The deeply buried feminist in me reckons it's because men are so scared of being accused of it, they try to pre-emptively discredit the victims...
King Rimesume wrote:
I understand that position. In this particular case the womans story simply doesn't add up. I firmly believe no woman being raped would have a chat with their rapist much less invite the piece of shit in for a drink.
I agree that it's an odd story, and maybe you are correct and it will turn out that she's a jealous lover seeking revenge. I've heard enough odd stories that I think I'll wait to pass judgement until it's gone to trial and there's been more evidence presented than what we can gather from a brief article. Clearly, there's *much* more to this story.
As an aside, we don't know that the woman isn't mentally ill, that the rapist isn't her ex boyfriend, etc..etc... The article isn't really telling us much except those bullet points the author felt were most interesting.
Nexa
“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.â€
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
I firmly believe no woman being raped would have a chat with their rapist much less invite the piece of **** in for a drink.
Right, plus if she did, she was clearly asking for it. Like if you were the victim of a home invasion then left your door unlocked and it happened again, they guy that broke into your house robbed you at gunpoint would be innocent because it just wouldn't make sense that you'd leave your door unlocked after the first time.
Disclaimer:
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
gbaji wrote:
trickybeck wrote:
And what conclusion did you draw from that case?
1. That women do lie about being raped.
2. That a combination of our legal system and media make it terrifically easy to do this, ruin people's lives and reputations, and "get away with it".
What conclusions did you draw from it?
So if she lied about getting raped, and the rape charges were dropped, the legal system didn't exactly fail, now did it? QED
Not to mention that the sexual assault and kidnapping charges remain, and anyone following the case closely can easily conject that they weren't completely innocent.
Not to mention further that your "cite" of the legal system failing is an individual case that's still open and in question.
Edited, Mar 13th 2007 7:49am by trickybeck
Smasharoo wrote:
I firmly believe no woman being raped would have a chat with their rapist much less invite the piece of sh*t in for a drink.
Right, plus if she did, she was clearly asking for it. Like if you were the victim of a home invasion then left your door unlocked and it happened again, they guy that broke into your house robbed you at gunpoint would be innocent because it just wouldn't make sense that you'd leave your door unlocked after the first time.
Actually, a better example would be to get robbed at gunpoint, then afterwards invite the guy into your home for some tea; somehow not expecting to get robbed at gunpoint again.
Though, if I were to throw out my guesstimation at if she got raped or not, I would say "hell if I know, the article is vague." At least she finally reported it to get things sorted out. Worse would be to never have reported the incident because of fear that gbaji is selected for Jury Duty and having to live with false guilt on yourself. ("I should've"; "Maybe if I had"; ect)
On another note, I don't care what you guys say; I'm a moran that talks on the cell while he drives. Current lifestyle I have takes my options away to do otherwise (12-15 hour shifts sort of leaves very small gaps for family/friends to call me for about...anything. Found out just yesterday my sister moved back in with my mom while she had been there for a month already.)
I'm also a moran for having the nasty habbit of proof reading AFTER clicking the post button.
Edited, Mar 13th 2007 10:34am by Exodus
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In 2005, only 38% of rapes and sexual assaults were reported to law enforcement officials — about one in every three. This is according to the 2005 National Crime Victimization Survey (PDF, 287KB).
Of sexually abused children in grades five through twelve, 48% of the boys and 29% of the girls had told no one about the abuse—not even a friend or sibling. This is according to the 1998 Commonwealth Fund Survey of the Health of Adolescent Girls.
Why Do Victims Not Report?
Some reasons given include the following:
It's a personal matter.
Fear of reprisal.
Think police are biased.
Want to protect the offender.
Feel partly responsible.
Felt there wasn't enough evidence and the case wouldn't be pursued.
Drunk or high when it happened.
Afraid they would not be believed.
It is interesting to note that the closer the relationship between the victim and the offender, the greater the likelihood that the police will not be told about the crime:
When the offender is a current or ex-boyfriend...
77% of completed rapes are not reported.
77% of attempted rapes are not reported.
75% of sexual assaults are not reported.
When the offender is a friend...
61% of completed rapes are not reported.
71% of attempted rapes are not reported.
82% of sexual assaults are not reported.
When the offender is a stranger...
54% of completed rapes are not reported.
44% of attempted rapes are not reported.
34% of sexual assaults are not reported.
How Many Reports Are False?
There is widespread opinion that a large number of reported sexual assaults are false claims. That is absolutely not true. According to the FBI, in 2003 5.5% of sexual assaults were determined to be unfounded. "Unfounded" includes cases when there is insufficient evidence, the victim decides not to follow through with prosecution, the victim repeatedly changes the account of rape, the victim recants and police are unable to locate the victim as well as when the allegation is found to be false.
Of sexually abused children in grades five through twelve, 48% of the boys and 29% of the girls had told no one about the abuse—not even a friend or sibling. This is according to the 1998 Commonwealth Fund Survey of the Health of Adolescent Girls.
Why Do Victims Not Report?
Some reasons given include the following:
It's a personal matter.
Fear of reprisal.
Think police are biased.
Want to protect the offender.
Feel partly responsible.
Felt there wasn't enough evidence and the case wouldn't be pursued.
Drunk or high when it happened.
Afraid they would not be believed.
It is interesting to note that the closer the relationship between the victim and the offender, the greater the likelihood that the police will not be told about the crime:
When the offender is a current or ex-boyfriend...
77% of completed rapes are not reported.
77% of attempted rapes are not reported.
75% of sexual assaults are not reported.
When the offender is a friend...
61% of completed rapes are not reported.
71% of attempted rapes are not reported.
82% of sexual assaults are not reported.
When the offender is a stranger...
54% of completed rapes are not reported.
44% of attempted rapes are not reported.
34% of sexual assaults are not reported.
How Many Reports Are False?
There is widespread opinion that a large number of reported sexual assaults are false claims. That is absolutely not true. According to the FBI, in 2003 5.5% of sexual assaults were determined to be unfounded. "Unfounded" includes cases when there is insufficient evidence, the victim decides not to follow through with prosecution, the victim repeatedly changes the account of rape, the victim recants and police are unable to locate the victim as well as when the allegation is found to be false.
Nexa wrote:
gbaji wrote:
It's the perfect way to get back at someone. And that's exactly what has been happening.
Maybe for a very few very stupid (and very mentally ill) women who don't realize how long, painful, and not-worthwhile the process will be.
Nexa
How so? I mean, all she has to do is conduct an interview, undergo an examination and testify at a pre-trial hearing(if it gets that far). The innocent accused has to foot legal bills, deal with the stigma of the allegations, surrender their couch cushions for DNA analysis, be strip-searched and, in my case, spend some time in detention before being outfitted with an ankle-monitor. Seriously, I can only speak for my case, but she was involved for maybe the first two months, whereas I was in court and undergoing evaluations and the like for around seven years. Then one day she can just recant on the eve of the trial and face no recourse. I'm the one who considered suicide before my twenty-first birthday, and any guilt she might have felt for putting me through this was well-deserved.
In the end, though, I don't hold her totally responsible for what I went through. Sure, she's the one who set things in motion in my particular case, but without real rapists out there committing basicly the most heinous crime I can imagine, there wouldn't be this special brand of hysteria ensuing after rape allegations.
In short, I still hate rapists more than lying, dirty whores, and by a wide margin, but I take some offense at your assertion that a false-accuser goes through some horrible ordeal. That's just wrong, and even assuming that it is traumatic for someone to lie about being raped, she asked for it.
Barkingturtle wrote:
In short, I still hate rapists more than lying, dirty whores, and by a wide margin, but I take some offense at your assertion that a false-accuser goes through some horrible ordeal. That's just wrong, and even assuming that it is traumatic for someone to lie about being raped, she asked for it.
In your case, it is wrong, and I'm sorry for what you went through. However, a woman who accuses a man of rape is often (I stress often, not always, as it is obviously not true in your case):
*not believed by her peer group and outcast
*questioned by her own family, and depending on who she is accusing, outcast
*has her previous sexual encounters brought to full light and in startling detail
Take offense all you want, maybe you've seen as many separate cases as I have, I don't know. Maybe in your area of the world the system is different as well, of that I'm not sure. All I can go on is what I've seen and that all points to reporting rape (true or false) often leads to a great deal of suffering for the accuser as well. This is one of the main reasons that rape and sexual assault is so underreported.
I can't tell you how much it breaks my heart to hear that someone was falsely accused because being accused of a sex crime you didn't commit is about the most horrifying thing you can be accused of and I think anyone who does that (if it can be proven to be so) should be serving prison time for false reporting, defamation, whatever.
Nexa
“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.â€
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
Not to downplay rape, but the story doesn't really add up. Granted it's a biased article I'm sure. I'm voting false accusation.
A. She sits on a swing with him after he raped her once, then invites him in.
B. She waits 3 days to report the second rape.
C. He answers the phone while raping her and talks to his wife (yeah, right).
So she's had 3 days after sleeping with him to decide what to do about it. Any one of these I could see, but the combination of circumstances (that we know about) just doesn't make sense.
The statistics regarding how many rapes are unreported are crap as far as I'm concerned. You can't count numbers that don't exist. We hear this all the time "only 1/3 of rapes are reported to authorities", and how the f*ck do you know that if it wasn't reported? You can't say anonymous surveys or anything like that because they are DEFINATELY not reliable in this type of subject.
A. She sits on a swing with him after he raped her once, then invites him in.
B. She waits 3 days to report the second rape.
C. He answers the phone while raping her and talks to his wife (yeah, right).
So she's had 3 days after sleeping with him to decide what to do about it. Any one of these I could see, but the combination of circumstances (that we know about) just doesn't make sense.
The statistics regarding how many rapes are unreported are crap as far as I'm concerned. You can't count numbers that don't exist. We hear this all the time "only 1/3 of rapes are reported to authorities", and how the f*ck do you know that if it wasn't reported? You can't say anonymous surveys or anything like that because they are DEFINATELY not reliable in this type of subject.
Yodabunny wrote:
The statistics regarding how many rapes are unreported are crap as far as I'm concerned. You can't count numbers that don't exist. We hear this all the time "only 1/3 of rapes are reported to authorities", and how the f*ck do you know that if it wasn't reported? You can't say anonymous surveys or anything like that because they are DEFINATELY not reliable in this type of subject.
They base this on a number of factors, not the least of which is how many women are treated for rape at hospitals and never go to the police.
Edit: Also, I'm just curious as to what you see as a benefit of reporting rape/sexual assualt on an anonymous survey? This is considered by the body of the research community to be highly accurate.
Nexa
Edited, Mar 13th 2007 12:53pm by Nexa
“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.â€
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
A friend of mine was technically raped once. I say "technically" because, all things considered, he likely would have consented to it had he not been drunk beyond all belief. Still, as the witty posters in college dorms say, "Drunk means No."
Did he report it? Nope. When looking at statistics like that, you have to keep in mind that not all cases that would qualify as rape are seen as necessarily bad thing.
Not that I'm condoning rape in any regard, but as my dad loves to say, "Don't believe anything you hear, and only half of what you see."
Did he report it? Nope. When looking at statistics like that, you have to keep in mind that not all cases that would qualify as rape are seen as necessarily bad thing.
Not that I'm condoning rape in any regard, but as my dad loves to say, "Don't believe anything you hear, and only half of what you see."
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
I'm not going to try to make a judgment on this case yet because I really haven't heard much about it, and I'd want to read more than one reporter's take on it (typos, transpositions, and just plain "oops" mistakes happen and get printed sometimes). However, from what is in this article, it does seems weird, but that just makes me want to find out more details to clarify it.
On a personal note; I've known two women who claimed to have been raped. One actually was. She was slipped some rohypnol, and the guy followed her to her apartment. She never reported it, and begged everyone to just let her put it behind her. I didn't like that she chose to do that (especially after hearing the guy cop to it), but I respected her decision.
The other girl lied, flat-out. She made up a story after being slighted by a guy, and I guess she was off-kilter enough not to care what she was going to put this guy through. He had an alibi, but he was still DAMN lucky that she couldn't keep her story straight, and the investigation just exacerbated her inconsistancies, and she eventually confessed to making it all up. If she had been just a little smarter, and pressed her story past the initial investigation, I hate to think what would have happened to him.
On a personal note; I've known two women who claimed to have been raped. One actually was. She was slipped some rohypnol, and the guy followed her to her apartment. She never reported it, and begged everyone to just let her put it behind her. I didn't like that she chose to do that (especially after hearing the guy cop to it), but I respected her decision.
The other girl lied, flat-out. She made up a story after being slighted by a guy, and I guess she was off-kilter enough not to care what she was going to put this guy through. He had an alibi, but he was still DAMN lucky that she couldn't keep her story straight, and the investigation just exacerbated her inconsistancies, and she eventually confessed to making it all up. If she had been just a little smarter, and pressed her story past the initial investigation, I hate to think what would have happened to him.
Demea wrote:
Still, as the witty posters in college dorms say, "Drunk means No."
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