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#1 Mar 09 2007 at 7:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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The Tribune's Washington Bureau wrote:
The FBI has taken unchecked advantage of the "National Security Letters" that enable it to obtain telephone calls, emails and banking records without warrants, according to an inspector general's report to be released today that reportedly will depict far-reaching abuses of the USA Patriot Act.

FBI agents have underreported their uses of this tool they were given after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, according to the report expected to be made public before noon. As it is, the FBI had reported to Congress that in 2005 it issued a total of 9,254 national security letters involving 3,501 U.S. citizens and legal residents. But shoddy record-keeping resulted in the FBI underreporting its use of these letters by 20 percent, the report by Justice Department Inspector General Glenn Fine is said to conclude.
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Fine's audit also says the FBI failed to send follow-up subpoenas to telecommunications companies that were told to expect them, the officials said.

Those cases involved so-called exigent letters to alert the companies that subpoenas would be issued shortly to gather more information, the officials said. But in many examples, the subpoenas were never sent, the officials said.

The FBI has since caught up with those omissions, either with national security letters or subpoenas, one official said.
The short version of that is that the FBI has under-reported its demands for personal customer data from businesses and many time failed to properly subpoena the businesses after the fact; in echos of Bush's "we don't need a retroactive FISA warrant to wiretap you" debacle a year or so ago.

It appears that the lapses were administrative rather than malicious but, be it from inability or unwillingness, an administration which does not document and thus can not be held accountable for its snooping isn't a proud moment for our nation.
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#2 Mar 09 2007 at 7:48 AM Rating: Decent
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You know, if you were a REAL patriot you wouldn't be worrying about this sort of thing.

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Or a "legal patriot"!
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#4 Mar 09 2007 at 7:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Or a "legal patriot"!


Clearly you don't understand how this works. If you're a patriot, then you're legal and have nothing to worry about. If you're worrying about it, obviously you're not a patriot.

#5 Mar 09 2007 at 7:56 AM Rating: Good
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Does this mean I'm illegal now, and can't be forced to pay taxes?

Huzzah!
#6 Mar 09 2007 at 7:58 AM Rating: Good
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If you have done nothing wrong, you should have nothing to fear!!!


Not going to be a good week for Bush and Co. Gonzales is getting raked over the coals over the dismissal of those prosecutors now as well.

Edited, Mar 9th 2007 11:04am by bodhisattva
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#7 Mar 09 2007 at 8:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Does this mean I'm illegal now, and can't be forced to pay taxes?

Huzzah!


Yeah, but you also could be spirited off to Gitmo at any moment now too. And it would serve ya right, freakin' terrorist.

edit: because some words just don't make sense.



Edited, Mar 9th 2007 11:18am by Celcio
#8 Mar 09 2007 at 8:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Color me unsurprised.

Every time the FBI has had the kind of latitude the PATRIOT Act allows them, they have used it to engage in unlawful, unConstitutional surveillance against the American people, usually at the behest of the President (though, there was the whole McCarthy thing, as well.)

This is just the tip of the iceberg, I guarantee it. Before the entirety of the damage of the PATRIOT Act is tallied, we are going to see much worse.

#9 Mar 09 2007 at 8:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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#10 Mar 09 2007 at 8:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Doesn't really matter, it's all smoke and mirrors. They don't need the Patriot Act to do this kind of thing, they'd just do it anyway. The patriot act was just a political ruse to get everyone off their back. "Look we're doing more stuff to save you from the big bad terrorists, you can participate by giving us permission! Now you're a patriot, don't you feel all warm and fuzzy?". The only things you hear about are through the media all the government has to do (and probably does on a regular basis) is keep the media away from whatever they want to hide and they have complete immunity.
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Wait, you mean when we abjectly surrender civil liberties out of fear that we'll be hit by a comet be in a tall building when a lunatic crashes a plane into it that someone might take advantage and invade the privacy of people who don't fly planes into buildings?

That is, indeed, shocking.

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#12 Mar 09 2007 at 10:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Wait, you mean when we abjectly surrender civil liberties out of fear that we'll be hit by a comet be in a tall building when a lunatic crashes a plane into it that someone might take advantage and invade the privacy of people who don't fly planes into buildings?

That is, indeed, shocking.


Don't be stupid.

I surrendered mine because I was afraid I'd be on the plane.

#13 Mar 10 2007 at 9:17 AM Rating: Good
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I simply can't believe this. Our government agencies would never do anything so underhanded and contrary to the principles of freedom, privacy and liberty guaranteed by our constitution.
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I simply can't believe this. Our government agencies would never do anything so underhanded and contrary to the principles of freedom, privacy and liberty guaranteed by our constitution.


Smiley: lol

Perfect ironic "tone" there. I can almost envision the look of wide-eyed, dewey innocence to accompany this.

#15 Mar 10 2007 at 11:34 AM Rating: Default
Save the Holden Caufield phony crap. You're for personal information collection and violation of privacy all over the place. Forced registration for taxation purposes of individuals and businesses. Forced registration of government tracking identification numbers in social security. Forced registration for drivers licenses to drive. So the government can listen too instead of just looking! You're not for freedom or personal privacy, so don't pretend like you are.
#16 Mar 10 2007 at 12:12 PM Rating: Good
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I used to feel sorry for you yanquis, with Big Brother Legislation that could justify "Toilet Cams" with a cry of 9/11

Now I'm more pissed off as it applies to non-US citizens.

Yes, your stupid 3rd Reich laws cover anyone in the world whose communications involve a US connection.

Signing up for web sites, online purchasing, registering for games: If any of the web services involve servers or PoPs in USA, I am now warned that by signing up/registering/buying stuff, my information my be held on or conveyed through US servers, making all of my submitted data subject to the Patriot Act.

By all means elect a president who keeps you all under surveillance 24/7 and shares your private details with the likes of "Good Ol' Skooter", but keep that fUcking Shit to yourselves please? Smiley: motz

How would you react if registering with Alla, or buying an iTunes song popped up a window explaining that because the traceroute might involve an EU company, all of your details were available to grey-suits in London, Paris and Rome?
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I used to feel sorry for you yanquis, with Big Brother Legislation that could justify "Toilet Cams" with a cry of 9/11


Coming from someone who lives in a country with more CCTV cameras than grains of sand...
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MonxDoT wrote:
Save the Holden Caufield phony crap. You're for personal information collection and violation of privacy all over the place. Forced registration for taxation purposes of individuals and businesses. Forced registration of government tracking identification numbers in social security. Forced registration for drivers licenses to drive. So the government can listen too instead of just looking! You're not for freedom or personal privacy, so don't pretend like you are.

Yeah, ok there Dennis.
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#19 Mar 10 2007 at 2:16 PM Rating: Good
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Smasharoo wrote:
Coming from someone who lives in a country with more CCTV cameras than grains of sand...
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#20 Mar 10 2007 at 2:59 PM Rating: Default
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How would you react if registering with Alla, or buying an iTunes song popped up a window explaining that because the traceroute might involve an EU company, all of your details were available to grey-suits in London, Paris and Rome?


Lol, you read some of the stuff I write? I get emails like this sent to myself and others. :P

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Subject: Illegal sharing of copyrighted materials

As you may have read, the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA), and some other copyright owners and groups have recently stepped up their enforcement activities. Among other evidence of this, the [deleted] is receiving a much larger volume of complaints about peer-to-peer file sharing under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). I thought this would be a useful occasion to reiterate relevant [deleted] policies and practices.

Under the DMCA, copying and sharing copyrighted materials without a license is illegal. It can subject the user (and in some cases [deleted]) to penalties. Moreover, the traffic such sharing generates easily can cause problems for other users at [deleted]. Both of these outcomes violate [deleted] Eligibility and Acceptable Use Policy [deleted]. The EAUP provides that the [deleted] network may not be used for illegal purposes or in ways that consume resources (such as network capacity) that are intended for [deleted] and other [deleted] purposes.

You should consider removing illegally-obtained copyrighted material and/or peer-to-peer applications that might illegally share copyrighted material from any computer you manage on [deleted] network. If you choose not to remove these, you should IMMEDIATELY ensure that your system is set to prevent it from acting as a provider of unlicensed materials to other users (some instructions are linked to [deleted], but the only safe action is to remove offending materials and applications entirely).

Federal law requires that [deleted] take action when it is notified that someone on its network is distributing copyrighted materials without a license. Whether you are aware of the violation or not, if [deleted] learns that your computer is distributing copyrighted material without a license, we will disable your computer's network connection until appropriate disciplinary processes are complete and the copyright violation is rectified. In addition, the copyright holder may take legal action against you, and I emphasize that [deleted] will comply with valid subpoenas it receives in such cases.

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#21 Mar 10 2007 at 3:13 PM Rating: Good
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American Citizens have the ability to vote for or against the politicians who instigate legislation.

So if you don't like the Patriot Act, you can cast your vote. If enough of you do, the law changes. If not, you accept the will of the majority. (Such a wanton act of Violence, eh, Monxdot)

If I don't like Tony Bliar's CCTV, I can vote against him.

What in the name of Britney Spears' hair stylist can I do about your fUckslap prezzydunt and his dumbass legislation?!
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#22 Mar 10 2007 at 3:18 PM Rating: Default
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hat in the name of Britney Spears' hair stylist can I do about your @#%^slap prezzydunt and his dumbass legislation?!


Leak names like Vallery Plame. I believe it was the legendary Notre Dame football coach Newt Rockney that said, "pwn one for the Scooter".

Edited, Mar 10th 2007 5:18pm by MonxDoT
#23 Mar 10 2007 at 10:43 PM Rating: Good
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Yes, your stupid 3rd Reich laws cover anyone in the world whose communications involve a US connection.
Hold up there. You're just now figuring this out? It applies to anyone our government feels like applying it to.

Any time.

For any reason.

"We thought there was a terrorist connection" is all the justification they need. Any resistance just plays into the hands of the terrorists, don't you see???
#24 Mar 10 2007 at 11:15 PM Rating: Default
Resistance is futile! All your interwebs R belong to us!
#25 Mar 11 2007 at 3:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Title 2 of the Patriot Act delegates the uses of surveillance.

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SEC. 201. AUTHORITY TO INTERCEPT WIRE, ORAL, AND ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS RELATING TO TERRORISM.
Section 2516(1) of title 18, United States Code, is amended--

(1) by redesignating paragraph (p), as so redesignated by section 434(2) of the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 (Public Law 104-132; 110 Stat. 1274), as paragraph (r); and

(2) by inserting after paragraph (p), as so redesignated by section 201(3) of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (division C of Public Law 104-208; 110 Stat. 3009-565), the following new paragraph:

`(q) any criminal violation of section 229 (relating to chemical weapons); or sections 2332, 2332a, 2332b, 2332d, 2339A, or 2339B of this title (relating to terrorism); or'.


What does all that mean? The Patriot Act grants access of increased surveillance to intercept wire, oral and electronic communications when a person(s) have violated certain sections of the United States Code. In this case, as specified by the Patriot Act, sections 2332, 2332a, 2332b, 2332d, 2339A, or 2339B.

United States Code Title 18, section 2332
-- in short, a foreign national committing homicide, conspiring to commit homicide, or inflict body harm with intent to commit homicide against a United States national. --

United States Code Title 18, section 2332a
-- in short, using weapons of mass destruction against persons or properties of the United States --

United States Code Title 18, section 2332b
-- in short, is involved with terrorist activities, further defined within that section --

United States Code Title 18, section 2332d
-- in short, engaging in financial transactions with the government of a country that is known to aid and embed terrorists --

United States Code Title 18, section 2339a
-- in short, well basically you cant really summarize this too much as it envelopes many sections of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954, but basically, withholding information or carrying out the prohibited offenses relating to the outlined sections of that act --

United States Code Title 18, section 2339b

-- in short, providing resources or material support to a terrorist organization; or conspiring to do so --

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SEC. 202. AUTHORITY TO INTERCEPT WIRE, ORAL, AND ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS RELATING TO COMPUTER FRAUD AND ABUSE OFFENSES.
Section 2516(1)(c) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking `and section 1341 (relating to mail fraud),' and inserting `section 1341 (relating to mail fraud), a felony violation of section 1030 (relating to computer fraud and abuse),'.


A lot of **** in section 2516 Paragraph 1, section C; but it relates to acts such as kidnapping, bribing officials, assassination etc.


Now, don't get me wrong, I am against the removal of civil liberties in exchange for enhanced security. It sickens me, and frightens me at the same time. With that said..
you have to be suspected of some pretty heinous crimes or conspiring to commit such crimes, in order for the Patriot Act to apply to you.

And to be quite honest, anyone who gives money to a government that aids and embeds terrorists, who plans to assasinate/kidnap government officials, use weapons of mass destruction, buys stockpiles of weapons/ammunition etc deserved to be "spied" upon if you will.

With all do respect, if you think that our federal government actually has the resources to sit there and be "big brother" to your normal, every day John Q, you give them much more credit than is due. They can't even keep their own agents from leaking confidential names, let alone spy on an average citizen.

The real issue with the Patriot Act is with the "giving just cause" aspects of said interceptions. While people who aren't in any way/shape or form affiliated or suspected to be affiliated with terrorism, Offical John Doe can say... I suspect (insert normal person's name here) of breaking the rules outlined by the Patriot Act and want to surveil them. That right there is a tad scary, but once again... you either have to be on that official's **** list, or have been involved in some real fishy stuff.

I don't know, I'm not afraid of what the Patriot Act does because it's not used to spy on normal, every day average American citizens..... however.... if Congressmen continue their phallacy of governing, it can easily turn into that with a few, simple, concise unread amendments.

We do know that many of the congressmen did not take the time to fully read the patriot act, nor even get a decent read of it... and hastily voted it into power. That being said, if they continue doing things like that.... amendments can be proposed that subject people like you and I to these surveillances.
#26 Mar 11 2007 at 6:06 AM Rating: Default
you can expect alot of the stuff that was being ignored or swept under the rug to come to light now that the dems have both congress and the house. something the bushies clearly didnt anticipate.

still time to impeach.
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