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#77 Mar 08 2007 at 11:11 AM Rating: Default
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I also advocate for the kids on my college campus to get HIV testing done, even though the number who actually have it will be incredibly small. Those that do have it, however, will likely be suprised, and if it keeps them from spreading it to others without knowing it than great. I don't lie about the level of risk, but I don't see why everyone shouldn't get tested when it costs nothing but a very small amount of time.

Me either. We agree. I have a problem with people inflating risk to the point that it becomes generally accepted as true when it's not.


Fine, only one I could find again on CDC was about gay men and it was 1 in 3. Here is ASHA stating that 1 in 4 will have an STD.

This is exactly my point. The corrupting of statistics about a specific high risk group or the translation of projections into statistics. There's no need to do it. It's just the dumbing down of actual problems to the point where people advocating against a position can use the fact that the numbers are dead wrong with bias all one way to make equally flawed arguments for the other side.
Allowing the debate to be equivocated when you're right is imbecilic and serves no purpose. You wear safety belts in cars because it's likely you'll be injured less in an accident. You don't try to convince people to wear safety belts in cars because 'someone not wearing a safety belt dies in a car acciedent every 8 seconds OMG!!'

STFU your such a facts guy you forget the real reason people want these things done because they make a difference.
#78 Mar 08 2007 at 11:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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We agree.


Smart man.

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#79 Mar 08 2007 at 11:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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No, they do.



Based on what? CDC says 20 million.

How does that possibly equate to 1 in 4?

Or do you mean 'are likely to be infected at some point in their lifetime'?


Because it's a radically different statistic. '1 in 4 people will get in car accidents today' is a lot different than '1 in 4 people will be in car accidents in their lifetime'

Are infected-based on a CDC study of a representative group, published by the AMA. It's the number they released when the whole vaccine hoopla erupted. I'm sure you'll say it's not accurate, but unless every woman in America gets swabbed, then all we have is this type of informed estimate.
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Using data from a nationally representative group of 1,921 girls and women ages 14 to 49 who provided vaginal swabs in 2003 and 2004, researchers led by the CDC's Dr. Eileen Dunne found that 26.8 percent were infected with any type of this virus.

That rate translates to a total of 24.9 million U.S. girls and women, according to Dunne's team, whose findings were published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.


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HPV is the most common sexually transmitted infection in the United States. High-risk HPV types can cause cervical, ****, penile and other genital cancers. Low-risk types can cause genital warts.

Among those aged 14 to 19, 24.5 percent were infected.

Added to the 44.8 percent of those 20 to 24 who were infected, this translates to 7.5 million girls and women age 14 to 24 infected, higher than a previous estimate of 4.6 million, the researchers said.

The infection rate hovered at about 1 in 4 for older age groups until the 50 to 59 age group who had 1 in 5 infected.

Nearly 40 percent of blacks in all age groups were infected, compared to about 24 percent of whites.
#80 Mar 08 2007 at 11:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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#81 Mar 08 2007 at 11:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Are infected-based on a CDC study of a representative group, published by the AMA. It's the number they released when the whole vaccine hoopla erupted. I'm sure you'll say it's not accurate, but unless every woman in America gets swabbed, then all we have is this type of informed estimate.


So, what you really meant to say is 'projections indicate 1 in 4 sexually active women aged 14 to 49' are infected, but instead said 1 in 4 people.

You're sure I'll say it's not accurate? Are you saying that it's accurate to extrapolate a study about sexually active women aged 14 to 49 into 'everyone'?

Really?

Or is it just that hard to say 'ok, I was wrong, I was doing exactly what you were expressing concern about and misrepresenting a statistic in the direction of inflating risk'?

It should be pointed out also, that it's the same study it was found about 1 in 50 had a strain of the virus that was in any way detrimental.


Edited, Mar 8th 2007 2:39pm by Smasharoo
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#82 Mar 08 2007 at 11:47 AM Rating: Good
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So, what you really meant to say is 'projections indicate 1 in 4 sexually active women aged 14 to 49' are infected, but instead said 1 in 4 people.
No.

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Or is it just that hard to say 'ok, I was wrong, I was doing exactly what you were expressing concern about and misrepresenting a statistic in the direction of inflating risk'?
No, not that either.

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It should be pointed out also, that it's the same study it was found about 1 in 50 had a strain of the virus that was in any way detrimental.
So?

#83 Mar 08 2007 at 12:01 PM Rating: Decent
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http://www.avert.org/stdstatisticsworldwide.htm

Looking at a repackaging of some WHO numbers, which I think we could both agree to as the best we'll get for the moment in terms of macro infection numbers, the prevalence of non HIV 'curable' (which seems to be Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, and Syphilis) STD infections in North America is about 2%. Certainly I'd want to know if I was infected with one of those, but the actual risk of it happening if I have unprotected sex with a random person in my peer group is staggeringly small. Let's assume the rate of infection among 25-35 year old college educated women (my most likely random one night stand partner) is slightly lower than that for all of North America. I don't think that's making a giant leap. Let's say it's around 1%.

The transmission rates for any of those infections given one sexual contact is also fairly low. I don't know the actual number, but let's assume it's 50%, which I imagine is vastly higher than the reality. My actual risk of being infected with one of these diseases from my completely unprotected 'one night stand' is about 1 in 200. Worth being tested for those infections? Certainly. The reason why isn't the actual risk of being infected, however it's the severity of the consequences of infection

Why is that so hard to understand? Why is it so difficult to frame the argument to people in the reality instead of using false claims of inflated risk. 'It's pretty unlikely you caught anything, but if you did you might die so go check it out, it's cheap and easy.'

Why the insistence on perpetuating the idea that it's somehow much riskier? That there's a 10% chance or a 25% chance or whatever the implication is that an unprotected one night stand will lead to infection when really it's more along the lines of .5% if it's even that high?

What's gained?
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#84 Mar 08 2007 at 12:02 PM Rating: Decent
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No, not that either.


It's unlike you to let your ego get in the way like this.

I'll let it go, I have nothing invested in the argument. If you need to cling to this for some reason, go for it.

good luck.

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#85 Mar 08 2007 at 12:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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Why the insistence on perpetuating the idea that it's somehow much riskier? That there's a 10% chance or a 25% chance or whatever the implication is that an unprotected one night stand will lead to infection when really it's more along the lines of .5% if it's even that high?

What's gained?


The ignorant and uneducated (and therefore, usually the higher at risk of infection) get tested out of fear. I'm not saying that it's ethical, but there you have it.

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#86 Mar 08 2007 at 12:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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That there's a 10% chance or a 25% chance or whatever the implication is that an unprotected one night stand will lead to infection when really it's more along the lines of .5% if it's even that high?
Spoken like a man who doesn't have 200 unprotected one-night stands per year.

Prude.
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#87 Mar 08 2007 at 12:09 PM Rating: Decent
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The ignorant and uneducated (and therefore, usually the higher at risk of infection) get tested out of fear. I'm not saying that it's ethical, but there you have it.


Right, that's the reality. I agree the end is beneficial, I'm just not willing to use those means to get there. I realize telling the truth probably leads to a higher rate of infection, but it also makes it so much easier to defend against attacks on corralary issues like condom use when advocates for the other side use equally inaccurate statistics to argue against it. Using inflated presumptions of risk leaves open the equivocation of arguments by the other side when you attack them for saying things like 'condoms only prevent HIV transmission one time in fifty'.





Edited, Mar 8th 2007 3:10pm by Smasharoo
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Spoken like a man who doesn't have 200 unprotected one-night stands per year.


The Gay Haitian Hemophiliac Sex Worker population in New England just isn't what it once was, and Miami is too humid for me. Alas.

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#89 Mar 08 2007 at 12:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Right, that's the reality. I agree the end is beneficial, I'm just not willing to use those means to get there. I realize telling the truth probably leads to a higher rate of infection, but it also makes it so much easier to defend against attacks on corralary issues like condom use when advocates for the other side use equally inaccurate statistics to argue against it. Using inflated presumptions of risk leaves open the equivocation of arguments by the other side when you attack them for saying things like 'condoms only prevent HIV transmission one time in fifty'.


That's all well and good, but I plan on arguing with you anyway, just for the fun of it. I'm right 89.276% of the time, assuming I've slept between 6.3 and 8.29 hours.

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#90 Mar 08 2007 at 12:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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The Gay Haitian Hemophiliac Sex Worker population in New England just isn't what it once was, and Miami is too humid for me. Alas.


Good of Exo to agree to fly to Chicago to meet up with you then.

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I'm right 89.276% of the time, assuming I've slept between 6.3 and 8.29 hours.


94% when you sleep on one of two trains leaving Chicago!
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Good of Exo to agree to fly to Chicago to meet up with you then.


It's so hot when you imply I'm going to have sex with gay Latino dudes in a revolving door.
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#93 Mar 08 2007 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good
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No, not that either.


It's unlike you to let your ego get in the way like this.
Oh, I don't. I never inflated anything, and I make it common practice not to apologize for things I don't do. I used a well-accepted statistic, which you object to for a wholly impractical and frankly naive reason, and it oooooooohburned you á la MonxDot, so now you've bowed down. I get it.

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Oh, I don't. I never inflated anything, and I make it common practice not to apologize for things I don't do. I used a well-accepted statistic, which you object to for a wholly impractical and frankly naive reason, and it oooooooohburned you á la MonxDot, so now you've bowed down. I get it.


Sure, kitten, whatever makes you happy.

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Sure, kitten, whatever makes you happy.
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Not that I'm a sleazy man-***** or anything, but I do occasionally have not-so-safe sex with sleazy fem-whores. So every few years when I go to the doctor for a routine check-up/physical I ask for a full blood tetst, just on the off-chance I picked up something along the way.
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#97 Mar 09 2007 at 2:24 AM Rating: Decent
Flea owned smashroo

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#98 Mar 09 2007 at 10:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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When I started dating my Wife, she wanted me to get tested for
    EVERYTHING.
I had no problems with that and figured, "sure why not? they will just take some blood and ill be done with it right? Then illl get to go bareback and never have to buy a rubber again." Wrong (about the just taking blood part)...

They stuck a q-tip the size of california so far up my ***** that it came out of my ear. I walked funny for the rest of the day.

but hey, bareback is the place to be!!!
#99 Mar 09 2007 at 10:56 AM Rating: Good
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They stuck a q-tip the size of california so far up my ***** that it came out of my ear.
Did you go to the S&M clinic by accident? Smiley: dubious
#100 Mar 09 2007 at 11:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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They stuck a q-tip the size of california so far up my ***** that it came out of my ear.
Did you go to the S&M clinic by accident? Smiley: dubious


It's a test for Chlamydia and Gonorrhea....

I'm glad I'll never have to do it again...
#101 Mar 09 2007 at 11:12 AM Rating: Good
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No, I have never been tested and I agree with Smash's sentiment on this one. Condoms are for sissies.
You're safe due to the penchant for dead hookers and farm animals. You should worry more about rabies and maggot dick.


Meh, I figure anything I might have contracted during my exploits will show up on my partners' autopsies anywho, so I don't worry, I be happy.
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