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#152 Mar 13 2007 at 6:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah... I just watched the trailers (making me an expert, of course); and that was absolutely a weapons-grade rhino.
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#153 Mar 13 2007 at 6:08 AM Rating: Decent
Gbaji's argument about 300 reminds me of this girl I used to work with back in high school. She refused to see the movie Michael because they portrayed the angel as being almost human. He got drunk, slept with women, and had a good time. She was appalled because the angel Michael was supposed to be one of the angels closest to god.

It's a movie, for Pete's sake. Like it or don't like it, that's fine. But to go on and on about how it has "historical inaccuracies" is just ridiculous.
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I didn't see Michael 'cause it looked dumb.

I was listening to a review on the radio this morning and the reviewer said "There's a scene in the movie where some politican guy is about to sleep with the queen and tells her 'This will not be over quickly and you will not enjoy it' -- and, well, that about summed up the movie." Smiley: laugh

Edited, Mar 13th 2007 7:14am by Jophiel
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#155 Mar 13 2007 at 7:15 AM Rating: Good
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Gbaji's argument about 300 reminds me of this girl I used to work with back in high school. She refused to see the movie Michael because they portrayed the angel as being almost human. He got drunk, slept with women, and had a good time. She was appalled because the angel Michael was supposed to be one of the angels closest to god.

It's a movie, for Pete's sake. Like it or don't like it, that's fine. But to go on and on about how it has "historical inaccuracies" is just ridiculous.


Could it have been out of religious belief that she didn't see that movie?
#156 Mar 13 2007 at 7:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Could it have been out of religious belief that she didn't see that movie?


I suppose you could say that. But she went on and on about how it portrayed the angel badly. /shrug
#157 Mar 13 2007 at 7:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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Could it have been out of religious belief that she didn't see that movie?


I suppose you could say that. But she went on and on about how it portrayed the angel badly. /shrug


Now wait a minute. Wouldn't she boycott the bible then? You know, Lucifer was an angel at one time! Smiley: tongue
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#158 Mar 13 2007 at 8:14 AM Rating: Good
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War Elephants in wikipedia states:
From India, military doctrines for using war elephants spread to the Persian Empire where they were used in several campaigns.
It would not be a surprise that Elephants were used by the Persian in the army they fielded against the greeks. Nor was it a huge difficulty to transport them by ship. Hannibal transported a large numberr of them by ship in his campaign against the Romans.

Edited, Mar 13th 2007 12:15pm by fhrugby
#159 Mar 13 2007 at 8:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yes, we know about the elephants. The question concerned rhinos.

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#160 Mar 13 2007 at 8:19 AM Rating: Good
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Yes, we know about the elephants. The question concerned rhinos.

A rhino would serve the same purpose as a charging elephant, to break enemy lines. That a captured rhino was used in such a fashion would not surprise me, they were natives of India from which Persian developed most of its battle tactics. What is lacking in both scenes, is that in order to take advantage of any break in the enemy lines caused by a large charging animal, your infantry would have to be right behind them.

Edited, Mar 13th 2007 12:25pm by fhrugby
#161 Mar 13 2007 at 8:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elephants are fairly unpredictable. Even so, they are much, much more trainable than a rhinocerous would be.

A rhino would be a one-time weapon, liable to do as much harm to your side as to the other.

You may as well unleash a pack of rabid wolverines and hope they bite more of the enemy than they do your guys.

I didn't find the mutant-looking people nearly as odd as the tricked-out rhino.
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#162 Mar 13 2007 at 11:22 AM Rating: Good
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Given the mentality of the Xerses, who fancied himself a god, even though a rhino was much less efficient than an elephant in shocking an enemy line and most costly to transport, I would find it not only possible, but likely that Xerses would have one to use in battle, as it would give him something no one else had.

Xerses expanded the Persian Empire greatly during his reign because he relied heavily on slave soldiers, which provide cheap and expendable forces he used to outnumber and overwhelm his enemies. It also greatly diminished the population, tax base and economy of a conquered province. It was a policy that depleted almost all of the resources of conquered province and when the expansion stopped he then ran out of easy labor for slaves and he could not therefore maintain an army large enough to control all his lands without also depleting the resources of the Persian Empire. That key factor is what made possible Alexander the Great's easy conquest of the Perisan Empire and its break away provinces long after Xerses death.

The use of slave armies makes the giant man scene more plausible, as any Andre the giant sized men found anywhere in the expanding empire would have been seized for their shock value on the battle fields, and probably not without a fight from said giant sized man.



Edited, Mar 13th 2007 3:29pm by fhrugby
#163 Mar 13 2007 at 11:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, let's not pretend there's historical evidence or even real reason to believe that anyone used rhinos just because someone put them in their comic-movie. I just didn't find them to be fantastical in the same measure as griffons or dragons or rust monsters.
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#164 Mar 13 2007 at 12:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Could it have been out of religious belief that she didn't see that movie?


I doubt it, he didn't mention her being functionally retarded.
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#165 Mar 13 2007 at 2:30 PM Rating: Decent
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The whole, "The story was told over the top so I don't want to see it," thing, while a valid point, is missing one thing.

The whole movie is a guy telling a story to a bunch of soldiers to get them psyched up. So yes, there was quite a bit of exaggeration. There was a guy with swords for hands. There was a Mortal-Kombat-esque Baraka looking guy with a big axe. There were elephants, there was a Rhino. The Immortals looked like zombies when their masks came off. It was way over the top.

It was also poignant at times. I'm not saying it was deep or anything, don't get me wrong. But it really does get you rooting for Sparta.

But yeah, there was a lot of blood and gore. Smiley: grin


What else I find funny here is that so many of the people saying "oh, it's over the top" probably watched Lord of the Rings and loved it. 300 is pretty much the same thing: a legend of a few guys who did something so enormous that it changed everything in their world.

Hell, there's even a lot of similarity in the looks of the two films, and that's part of why. It has to LOOK huge because it IS huge.
#166 Mar 13 2007 at 2:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
Well, let's not pretend there's historical evidence or even real reason to believe that anyone used rhinos just because someone put them in their comic-movie. I just didn't find them to be fantastical in the same measure as griffons or dragons or rust monsters.


True, true.
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#167 Mar 13 2007 at 6:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
Well, let's not pretend there's historical evidence or even real reason to believe that anyone used rhinos just because someone put them in their comic-movie. I just didn't find them to be fantastical in the same measure as griffons or dragons or rust monsters.


Hmmm... Yet some people will feel the need to justify such things with the "it could have happened" argument.

Hence why I don't like the movie. Not because it's got war-rhinos in it, or because it's got guys with swords for hands, or giant mutated warriors or any of the other absurdities. I don't like it purely because they did those things in a film set around an actual historical event, resulting in some people who will inevitably think that the outlandish things in the film might have happened...

Hence why I have no problem with such things in a truely fantasy film. Trolls in LoTR? Perfect. Trolls in 300? Stupid. That's just my opinion. I'm not requiring that anyone adopt my criteria for liking or disliking a film, just explaining my reasoning.
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#168 Mar 13 2007 at 6:24 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't like it purely because they did those things in a film set around an actual historical event, resulting in some people who will inevitably think that the outlandish things in the film might have happened...


Sadly, a film or book doesn't have to be based on a historical event to have people believe it happened.

Take the "Left Behind" series for instance... Smiley: rolleyes

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Hmmm... Yet some people will feel the need to justify such things with the "it could have happened" argument.
Well, yeah. It could have happened and therefore it's not as outlandish as some purely fantastic element. It doesn't mean it did happen; it means that "OMG a rhino is just like Lord of the Rings!" is a pretty dumb critique.
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#170 Mar 13 2007 at 6:31 PM Rating: Decent
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. I don't like it purely because they did those things in a film set around an actual historical event, resulting in some people who will inevitably think that the outlandish things in the film might have happened...



Only if they are completely stupid......


Back down you twerp. You already said you havnt seen it. Its a movie, based on a comic, based on a story from thousands o' years ago.

What about the biblical epics of the 50's and 60's. You see them? All that idiotic ressurecting and parting of the waters. Paff!

Load of ***** pretty darned entertaining tho.

You'll be telling us that they are historically accurate 'cos its in the bible next.

Its a em.oh.vee.eye.ee. MOVIE. Why dont ya get ****** about the slew of movies coming out about 9/11. Now theres some bloody fictional twaddle if I ever saw it. Not that I have you understand. But I know what it will be like from the posters in the cinema.......



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#171 Mar 14 2007 at 8:57 PM Rating: Decent
I just got back from seeing this. I enjoyed it, but my one major complaint is that every time I heard the name "Xerxes" I was reminded of work. That really pissed me off.
#172 Mar 15 2007 at 2:56 AM Rating: Decent
Oh, the delicious irony of gbaji complaining about an inaccurate portrayal of reality.

Whatever next?

Complaining that the monologues were too long?

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#173 Mar 15 2007 at 3:59 AM Rating: Decent
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I saw it yesterday.

I was bummed when it ended...good sign I enjoyed it.

Leonides was excellently cast. His relationship with his wife was clear and endearing within just a couple short scenes. The fantastical liberties taken only added to the graphical delight (loved the wolf at the beginning). Despite Gerard Bultlers butt scene being only a fleeting glimpse, I was able to stare at his legs and chest throughout most of the movie. Smiley: drool

There was some gratuitous stuff added that didn't need to be there, but all in all well worth the five bucks I paid to see it.

Oh forgot to add that I loved the narration by David Wenham...I think it was really 'made' the movie into the story.

Edited, Mar 15th 2007 2:02pm by Elinda
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#174 Mar 17 2007 at 10:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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We saw it tonight at the IMAX theater at the Loew's Metreon (formerly Sony) in San Francisco. Enjoyed the movie for what it was. The sound was awesome, but I could take or leave seeing it on the IMAX screen. The seats were uncomfortable compared to the Metreon's regular theater seats, as the IMAX seats don't recline and are really small.

We'll pick up the flick on DVD when it comes out. For historical accuracy, I hope to catch the History Channel's Last Stand of the 300 again.
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#175 Mar 17 2007 at 10:51 PM Rating: Default
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Enjoyed the movie for what it was.


Translation. Magnum P.I. 2007 > 300.
#176 Mar 18 2007 at 9:08 AM Rating: Good
The wife and I saw this last night and enjoyed it. After reading this thread, I noticed that the people here who didn't like it were almost without exception people that I've always considered asshats anyway.
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