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The US would never allow an enemy state to have a base on their soil. Guess that's the hypocritical part, depending on point of view. I look at it more as being, "We won't allow someone onto our soil, but if they're dumb enough to let us set up camp, we're doing it. It's not our fault they're stunned."
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Jophiel wrote:
I don't understand what's hypocritical about it. The amount we spend to lease it annually is probably less than what we spend weekly in bottled water for Congress. Cuba certainly isn't profiting off of the deal (even if Castro cashed the checks). Even if you take the Communism/Evil Empire route, what better way to hedge in evil communists than to have a military base in their country?
Because it's still dealing with the ennemy. The fact that Castro cashes the cheque or not is irrelevant, it's the fact the US government writes it. It's doing business with the ennemy.
I find it more hypocritical on Castro's side, though. Even if he isn't cashing the cheque, or can't do much about it. He should at least kick up a fuss about it.
But, seriously, I don't think it matters much. It's just funny that out of all the places you could have a base in, it happens to be in the one country with which you don't have diplomatic relations. That's all.
Monsieur RedPhoenixxx wrote:
Because it's still dealing with the ennemy. The fact that Castro cashes the cheque or not is irrelevant, it's the fact the US government writes it.
Not to make a direct comparison, but this discussion reminds me of one of the more amusing bits from the Bible...
I Samuel 13:19-22 wrote:
Not a blacksmith could be found in the whole land of Israel, because the Philistines had said, "Otherwise the Hebrews will make swords or spears!" So all Israel went down to the Philistines to have their plowshares, mattocks, axes and sickles sharpened. The price was two thirds of a shekel for sharpening plowshares and mattocks, and a third of a shekel for sharpening forks and axes and for repointing goads.
So on the day of the battle not a soldier with Saul and Jonathan had a sword or spear in his hand; only Saul and his son Jonathan had them.
So on the day of the battle not a soldier with Saul and Jonathan had a sword or spear in his hand; only Saul and his son Jonathan had them.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
the sanctions are a pissing contest.
we supported castro taking over and covertly helped him. in return, he nationalized all our bussiness interests there and kicked us out.
in return, we canctioned him.
did nothing. cuba is living proof the world can survive without our help our interferance.
when he dies? weather we lift the sanctions or not, other than some refugees here in miami, does anyone really care? no economic impact to us either way. just another pristine island that will be swollowed up by condos and hotels for winter vacations and the people on the island itself will still be dirt poor.
no differance to us. destroyed island for them. thats all we have to offer them.
the moral majority working for you.
we supported castro taking over and covertly helped him. in return, he nationalized all our bussiness interests there and kicked us out.
in return, we canctioned him.
did nothing. cuba is living proof the world can survive without our help our interferance.
when he dies? weather we lift the sanctions or not, other than some refugees here in miami, does anyone really care? no economic impact to us either way. just another pristine island that will be swollowed up by condos and hotels for winter vacations and the people on the island itself will still be dirt poor.
no differance to us. destroyed island for them. thats all we have to offer them.
the moral majority working for you.
I say yes. Once Fidel kicks it, every Miami Cuban is going to be crowding a plane to visit, singing Mi Tierra and crap anyhoo. It'll be like PR Pt.2 in the blink of an eye.
The Cubans might try to hold on to communism, but I think once Fidel goes, it'll go with him. No one has the personal magnetism, iron will, and plain cojones to keep it up.
The Cubans might try to hold on to communism, but I think once Fidel goes, it'll go with him. No one has the personal magnetism, iron will, and plain cojones to keep it up.
Jophiel wrote:
It's dealing with the enemy to our enormous benefit and their detriment. I realize I probably won't change your mind, but I don't see the issue.
No, I see what you mean. And I agree, it's not a fundamental issue.
It still doesn't seem "right". Cuba should be the last place in North America where the US has a military base. I don't disagree that Cuba gets the wrong end of the deal, but the moral outrage from some American commentators regarding Cuba seems a bit hypocritical when the US has a leased-military base there.
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So on the day of the battle not a soldier with Saul and Jonathan had a sword or spear in his hand; only Saul and his son Jonathan had them.
Hehe. Those philistines really deserve their bad reputation.
I say yes. Once Fidel kicks it, every Miami Cuban is going to be crowding a plane to visit, singing Mi Tierra and crap anyhoo. It'll be like PR Pt.2 in the blink of an eye.
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rofl. no, they will all send money to their relitives and the rest of them will come to miami. welcome to miami. PR part 2 will become the new cuba, as if it isnt already. mabe rename the city, miami-de-cuba.
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rofl. no, they will all send money to their relitives and the rest of them will come to miami. welcome to miami. PR part 2 will become the new cuba, as if it isnt already. mabe rename the city, miami-de-cuba.
Once Fidel kicks it.
There will be a coup.
Hope the new guys are friendly.
Edited, Mar 6th 2007 11:46am by fhrugby
There will be a coup.
Hope the new guys are friendly.
Edited, Mar 6th 2007 11:46am by fhrugby
Of course they'll be
Paid in US money
To make a land of honey
Paid in US money
To make a land of honey
I say this should be settled in a "no holds barred" match of Dance Dance Revolucion, ala Robot Chicken. Even infirmed, I bet Castro has better moves than Bush.
jackjeckel the Pest wrote:
Really, I mean really can Cuba bee that much of a threat. What have they done in the past 40 some odd years.
Cuba is a useful political tool for elections within the US. Opposing sanctions doesn't win you many votes because most people who are single issue voters on the Cuba issue are for sanctions remaining.
Just ask Al Gore.
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