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#27 Mar 05 2007 at 8:34 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm kinda glad now that Mr. Ambrya and I are cancelling our Dish subscription after this season is over (will probably do it in May, after the regular shows go on hiatus, though we might leave it running long enough to finish the season of "The Shield."

Starbuck was my favorite character on the show. Killing her off pretty much eliminates half my reason for watching the show. The fact that SOMETHING has been missing this season in terms of storytelling--can't put my finger on what--eliminates another 30% or so.

Also, the way they did it was cheesy, because they're dangling the idea that she's not really dead with all the "you have a destiny" crap, and I REALLY hate being jerked around like that. Dead != destiny. A destiny means you're gonna do something important. Dead is just dead.

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Also, the way they did it was cheesy, because they're dangling the idea that she's not really dead with all the "you have a destiny" crap,


Actually, I thought it was pretty great. She did have a destiny, she just wasn't strong enough to fulfill it.
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#29 Mar 06 2007 at 10:00 AM Rating: Decent
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http://media.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/317/bsg_ep317_FULL.mp3

Podcast with the pompus executive producer essentially saying she's really really dead.

Fair warning, it's hard to listen to, because he's such a self important asshat, but I was doing some home improvement stuff anyway so I suffered the pain.


So I'm not going to suffer the pain. However, did he say she's just dead, ergo off the show, not a cylon, or just that she in fact died.

It struck me we never saw her father and since her mother was in a cylon war, it is possible Starbuck was the first human-cylon hybrid and that this would be the cylon's way of testing whether or not such hybrids would resurect via the normal cylon mechanism.

Under the assumption she is just dead, not gone to haunt Apollo's dreams or something, is her death some kind of warning to the humans that they cannot keep this up forever? If so, what alternative do they have? Negotiate with the cylons?
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Under the assumption she is just dead, not gone to haunt Apollo's dreams or something, is her death some kind of warning to the humans that they cannot keep this up forever? If so, what alternative do they have? Negotiate with the cylons?


Not sure.

I read a rumor that she comes back in the last two minutes of the finale, in her viper and tells Lee she will lead them to Earth.

Also that Chief, Colonel Tigh (or whatever), Anders, and Tori are the 4/5 cylons.

I'd say 10/1 ********* but interesting.
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#31 Mar 06 2007 at 11:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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I read something interesting that someone linked from the Chicago tribune that said we will be learning about one or more of the Galactica fleet being Cylons before the season ends. Katie Sackoff is off the credits for now though.

I went to go look for how many episodes are left and was really sad to find that there are only 3 left, including the two part season finale. Next week is the last one before the end folks! Then that's it until JANUARY NEXT YEAR. Smiley: crymore
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#32 Mar 06 2007 at 12:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Next week is the last one before the end folks! Then that's it until JANUARY NEXT YEAR. Smiley: crymore


I'm sad, too, but as long as they keep up the quality in the long run, it will be far, far better.

On that note: old TV shows like, say the original Star Trek and Twilight Zone took risks. Some episodes are absolute junk - but some are gold. They took chances. Sometimes it resonated, sometimes not. I'm sure some were great commentary then, and age badly. But the great ones are immortal.

Contrast with, say, the X-Files. Great show, in it's time, but now its convoluted fluff interspreced with totally unnecessary violence. Sure, it still had great moments.

At the end of the day, a near infinite ammount of TV is produced. To actually contribute something, a great self contained episode in a brief time far exceedes the value of a lifetime of above average work.

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#33 Mar 06 2007 at 12:13 PM Rating: Good
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Good Dog, nine plus month hiatus? Are they begging for people to forget and no longer care?
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Hey, when you consider that Rome went on break for over an entire year, it's not so bad. And oddly enough it seems like more people watch Rome than ever. Such a pity that this is it for that show. *sigh*
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#35 Mar 06 2007 at 12:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Contrast with, say, the X-Files. Great show, in it's time, but now its convoluted fluff interspreced with totally unnecessary violence. Sure it still has great moments.


It's been, um, canceled, for five years now...
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Hey, when you consider that Rome went on break for over an entire year, it's not so bad. And oddly enough it seems like more people watch Rome than ever. Such a pity that this is it for that show. *sigh*


Nah, if they kept going it would mostly Octavian ruling peacefully eating soup for 9 seasons. Also, 'I Claudius' picks up with Octavian in decline, and although filmed a bit goofily by modern standards is well worth watching.



Edited, Mar 6th 2007 3:47pm by Smasharoo
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#37 Mar 06 2007 at 1:45 PM Rating: Default

Something that I don't really know about but know of is a part of the story of the original series. In the original series there was a Ship of Light(I **** you not, the original series was crap by that times standards and ours) and this SoL essentially was piloted by very powerful beings/somewhat God and benevolent like that basically kept watch over the humans and followed them across the universe ojn their trek towards Earth.

The idea that a lot of fans have is that Starbuck is not one of the Final Five Cylons, personally I don't think she is. If she were one of the Final Five then that Leoben in her vision with her dying mother, before she herself died, would have never have states that he really wasn't Leoben. To do so is a dead giveaway to me that she was not conferring with a Cylon and thus is not one. But I could be wrong... :\

The idea flowing through a lot of peoples minds is that somehow this SoL story is going to be inserted into the new series. If you notice when she goes boom there is literally light flooding in that scene, which seems to be in part of what a lot of people are building this idea off of. Then again it could by symbolic and that these SoL creatures are not on any ship of light but are just beings, Gods if you will(in a sense), that are guiding and nudging the humans along. And somehow Starbuck is connected with them.

Then again I don't believe anything like that, beings of light(essentially higher powers) guiding humans through their journey, would be flat out declared in the series. Everything thus far, all of the mysticism and religion, has been introduced in a way so as to allow people the capacity to determine on their own whether or not it is true prophecy or just coincidence. I think he'll play this SoL card, to a certain degree and probably not with a literal ship chasing after BSG and the Fleet, but how he's going to go about it I don't know. I imagine it'll be based loosely off the original series SoL theme, beings/Gods(in this case probably) guarding humanity, but to a degree that'll make it rather original and not just a copy.

My two gils worth.

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#38 Mar 06 2007 at 1:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Something that I don't really know about but know of is a part of the story of the original series. In the original series there was a Ship of Light(I sh*t you not, the original series was crap by that times standards and ours) and this SoL essentially was piloted by very powerful beings/somewhat God and benevolent like that basically kept watch over the humans and followed them across the universe ojn their trek towards Earth.


The original series was the Book of Mormon, the new series is Exodus. The logical resolution of the new series is that the a prophet arises and speaks to a higher power and eliminates the 'Lords of Kobol' from the Human mythos, and latches on to the Cylon idea of monotheism.

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#39 Mar 06 2007 at 1:55 PM Rating: Default
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I think an admin should lock this thread on the grounds that I'm trying really hard not to read it.

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#41 Mar 06 2007 at 2:03 PM Rating: Decent
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P.S. ***** spell check. I didn't even waste the time to do it.

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If it's not worth your time to bother to make it readable then why would it be worth my time to bother to read it? Asshat.
#42 Mar 06 2007 at 3:13 PM Rating: Default
To refer to my last post as unreadable is knowningly maleficent and a lie.

Shame on you. And your mother to.
#43 Mar 06 2007 at 3:39 PM Rating: Decent
Weatherwax wrote:

Shame on you. And your mother to.


It's 'and your mother, too'. DumbfUck.

Edited, Mar 6th 2007 3:39pm by Barkingturtle
#44 Mar 06 2007 at 3:41 PM Rating: Default
I was writing as if I were speaking it.

P.S. Your mothers sucking ***** in hell. <_<

<- Really can't tell if anyone is serious about all this or not?
#45 Mar 06 2007 at 3:44 PM Rating: Decent
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I was writing as if I were speaking it.


Oh, I see, you speak like a ****** so you decided to see how it transfers to written language. Gotcha.
#46 Mar 06 2007 at 4:02 PM Rating: Default

Your mother= still sucking *****.

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#47 Mar 06 2007 at 4:04 PM Rating: Good
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anyway.

If she's gone (on to better shows/movies/family), than that's that. Perhaps she'll reappear off and on like Q or the Great Gazoo to lend some ghostly hand from beyond... Or she'll be back some time next season either as a "clone" or in some other spiritual-like form.

Either way, it was clearly shown that her spirit or memory or whatever is supposed to be viewed as some kind of "watcher" or "guardian angel" type thing over the Galactica... due to the whole thing with the goddess Aurora and Adama putting it for the masthead on his model ship (never mind that he destroyed it).
I'm sure we're bound to hear someone saying something pertaining to "Starbuck's watching over us" sometime soon.


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#48 Mar 06 2007 at 4:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't doubt that she's dead, but I really don't think she's off the show either. Why build up an entire story about a special destiny and everything just to have her poof out without any further explanation?
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#49 Mar 06 2007 at 4:16 PM Rating: Good
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I'm still not convinced that they aren't gonna still have her back later on-- only in some dream world talking to the other Cylons.... really we don't even know that she IS a cylon.

honestly I think that they are getting at all "souls" are the same thing regardless of how the container was engineered....


I still wonder about how they are going to end this all... like when they get to Earth.. if it's gonna be our own post-apocalyptic future.
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#50 Mar 06 2007 at 4:24 PM Rating: Default
I believe the fans were able to figure out, I read this on the sci fi.com forums If I remember correctly, that she won't appear in the next three episodes but that she is contracted in the ones after that.

There's some sort of story here but were just gonna have to wait in agony for it to reveal itself. :\

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#51 Mar 06 2007 at 4:47 PM Rating: Good
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I'm still not convinced that they aren't gonna still have her back later on-- only in some dream world talking to the other Cylons.... really we don't even know that she IS a cylon.

honestly I think that they are getting at all "souls" are the same thing regardless of how the container was engineered....


I still wonder about how they are going to end this all... like when they get to Earth.. if it's gonna be our own post-apocalyptic future.


You know they never do give us a time line connected to ours. Maybe they do make it to Earth and they are the proginators of Greece, et al?
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