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#1 Mar 05 2007 at 5:38 AM Rating: Decent
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So, they killed off Starbuck last night, in a very explosive and non-survivable manner. So unless they decide to go against what people expect, that means she's prolly one of the final five cylons, because I don't see HOW they could have killed her off without bringing her back: She's too important to the show and plot to just write her off.

I honestly didn't see it coming from the previews, just that she was having (yet) another personal crisis blah blah blah. And even in the middle of the episode, I thought that by some miracle she'd go below the deck and somehow survive and find some new beacon or something. Not... this. Wow.

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#2 Mar 05 2007 at 5:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Remind me to punch myself in the balls for reading this. Now I need to download um, watch that episode on TiVo. Right. That.
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#3 Mar 05 2007 at 6:29 AM Rating: Decent
Smiley: laughSilly Smash, spoilers are for kids!
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Watching it now. Shhhh.
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#5 Mar 05 2007 at 7:08 AM Rating: Decent
Also, I <3'd the last scene.
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She's dead and not a cylon, but her death will turn out to mean something and save the human race somehow.
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#7 Mar 05 2007 at 8:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sure sure, just ruin the whole show for me. I guess I don't even need to watch it now.

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#8 Mar 05 2007 at 8:25 AM Rating: Decent
Does nobody read the titles of threads anymore???

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And what are you basing this on Smash?
#9 Mar 05 2007 at 8:37 AM Rating: Decent
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And what are you basing this on Smash?


I don't know, the previous 34 episodes of foreshadowing? The fact that she dies diving into a circular atmospheric feature close to identical to her 'Eye of Jupiter' drawings. The fact that she has a special destiny tied into the mythology of both the humans and the cylons. I suspect we might see her on the show again, but very likely only in Stands With Fist's dreams of visions providing a critical piece of help on the way to Earth. On the other hand, they could abandon three years of mostly solid ballsy writing and have her pop up in a resurrection tank in the finale or something, but I'd lay 10 to 1 we won't see her again 'alive' in any fashion this season.
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Does nobody read the titles of threads anymore???


She didn't really read it. I did though, but I'm functionally retarded. It's common knowledge.
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#11 Mar 05 2007 at 9:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sorry Althrun, but I added spacing again for the subject impaired. :)

I wasn't very happy last night. I knew either she or Lee was going to die after that "where do you want to go" bit at the picture shrines and I guess it had to be her, but dammit, I'm still upset.

I mean I know they wouldn't write one of their strongest characters completely off the show, right? :( I really want to believe that and that she's a final five (which I'm guessing is what we're supposed to believe) but sigh...

Who is the Leoben who was with her in the house supposed to be? Do they ever hint at that? I hadn't remembered that bit from Leoben when she first interrogated him, was that really in season 1 or did they add that in purely as a flashback? That scene with the mom was pretty hard for me to watch. [:sad:]

Anyway, dug out my Starbuck avatar again for her. /salute Smiley: crymore
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#12 Mar 05 2007 at 9:09 AM Rating: Decent
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I mean I know they wouldn't write one of their strongest characters completely off the show, right?


Wrong


:( I really want to believe that and that she's a final five (which I'm guessing is what we're supposed to believe) but sigh...

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Possibly, highly unlikely, possible, but to have every strong female character on the show be a machine except Stands With Fist would be a trifle annoying.
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#13 Mar 05 2007 at 9:16 AM Rating: Decent
Stands with Fist?
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=Yzv&q=%22stands+with+a+fist%22&btnG=Search
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#15 Mar 05 2007 at 9:38 AM Rating: Decent
Smasharoo wrote:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=Yzv&q=%22stands+with+a+fist%22&btnG=Search


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#16 Mar 05 2007 at 12:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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I was wondering if anyone noticed that she pulled her eject lever before the blowup? Maybe she thought she could head out from that point towards her maelstrom thingie. Maybe she really did see a cylon ship and it picked her up...just guesses, heh.

She's got to be coming back in one form or another, cylon or otherwise. If not, then this was simply a suicide. Unless she was pulling a Tasha Yar (see how well that worked for Denise Crosby Smiley: rolleyes ) and simply wanted off the show to pursue other things, but I can't see that happening.

As I was watching the show, I was thinking about the Final Five cylons and who they might be if they were apart of the BG fleet as deep, deep sleeper agents.

My Final Five picks possibilities based upon their dramatic impact:

Starbuck
President Laura Rosslyn
Tom Zarak
Dualla
Baltar

Why would they be unknown to us otherwise? Unless, maybe, the final five are among the 13th colony... Smiley: confused
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#17 Mar 05 2007 at 12:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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My final five possibles includes Anders and Gaeda, based upon D'Anna's "Forgive me I had no idea." in the temple. I very, very highly doubt that Baltar, Dee, and Zarek are of the five. Other than Starbuck, I have no other ideas. :(
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I was wondering if anyone noticed that she pulled her eject lever before the blowup?


She never touches it. Her hand hovers over it, then she has the monolouge where she tells Lee that she's not afraid anymore. It's a good two minutes from the hovering to the blowing up. It's just there to show she had a choice, and made it.

Of course, it's TV, they could show her ejecting into a pile of marhsmallows on a giant floating barge if they want next week, or Zeus picking her up and putting her back on Galactica.

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Starbuck


Seemingly too long of a history with the Adamas to viable just in terms of timeframe, not to mention being really overly trite and deus ex which this show rarely is with 'big' reveals. Small things, yes, but rarely with important things.


President Laura Rosslyn


Presumably is 40 years old and would have been born and have a deeply vetted family history prior to even the first war. If they go this route, there's a whole lot of explaining to do.


Tom Zarak


Unlikely. His role is to show human base instincts and force the other characters to examine their motivations and ethics. It's possible, but there wouldn't be as much shock value if he were one.


Dualla


Maybe. Minor character and all that. We know little enough about her history for it to be fairly plausible and she's sympathetic enough of a character for it to have surprise value. Very much in the mold of Sharon, really.


Baltar


No way.

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The ship she was supposedly chasing was one of their cylon troop transport models. Maybe big enough to swallow up a single fighter? Maybe they took a page from the stealth ship and the cylon that she is obsessed with came and grabbed her?

That or i'm going to have to have angry words with sci fi.
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The ship she was supposedly chasing was one of their cylon troop transport models. Maybe big enough to swallow up a single fighter? Maybe they took a page from the stealth ship and the cylon that she is obsessed with came and grabbed her?


She's dead.

That doesn't mean she won't be a character in the show anymore, but she's definitely dead. Maybe she'll pop up as the counterpoint hallucination to six in Baltar's mind. That would be worth watching.
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Smasharoo wrote:

The ship she was supposedly chasing was one of their cylon troop transport models. Maybe big enough to swallow up a single fighter? Maybe they took a page from the stealth ship and the cylon that she is obsessed with came and grabbed her?


She's dead.

That doesn't mean she won't be a character in the show anymore, but she's definitely dead. Maybe she'll pop up as the counterpoint hallucination to six in Baltar's mind. That would be worth watching.


As in a second person talking to Baltar or as in someone else, like Emopllo, talking to an imaginary her?
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As in a second person talking to Baltar


I think that one would be the most fun to watch.

Also, there's the possibility that she might be 'reborn' into Hera.

Lame, I know, but something to think about possiblities wise.

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http://media.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/317/bsg_ep317_FULL.mp3

Podcast with the pompus executive producer essentially saying she's really really dead.

Fair warning, it's hard to listen to, because he's such a self important asshat, but I was doing some home improvement stuff anyway so I suffered the pain.

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#25 Mar 05 2007 at 3:39 PM Rating: Good
Was I the only one whop saw an effect, that I assumed was some mode of teleportation, immidiatly before she went boom?

Either that or this is going to be one of those Matrixesque "You have to die before you become the one" type of deals.

Starbuck = Jesus, perhaps?
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Was I the only one whop saw an effect, that I assumed was some mode of teleportation, immidiatly before she went boom?

Either that or this is going to be one of those Matrixesque "You have to die before you become the one" type of deals.

Starbuck = Jesus, perhaps?


No.

She's just dead.


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