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#302 Mar 06 2007 at 8:30 PM Rating: Good
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Odd, I've never had a tax collector come to my place and punch me in the face before collecting FICA.


You're really stupid. If it was the opposite of violent it would be voluntary. It's necessarily either/or. There's no in between. If it wasn't violent it would be voluntarily forthcoming and making laws about and enforcing theftaxation would be unnecessary and a waste of energy.


You know, you could stop all these side hang ups if you would just use the appropriate word for what you're talking about: Force.

#303 Mar 06 2007 at 8:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Assuming I have an ample supply of the appropriate chemicals and equipment at hand. Which I don't. And the expertise to mix them safely and create a pill which won't kill me. Which I don't.
All you need is for someone to have that equipment.
That wouldn't be me though. Or it'd assume that the owners of the equipment were willing to let me use them for a cost less than the current cost to buy the drugs.
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#304REDACTED, Posted: Mar 06 2007 at 8:41 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You can quit your job at anytime in a free market and go work for someone else who offers better terms. I don't recall anyone in the Soviety Union working in any capacity except that which they were told and limited to by some politician.
#305REDACTED, Posted: Mar 06 2007 at 8:44 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It's profitable, there's an incentive for people to earn your business by undercutting the $3,000/month rate all the way down to under a penny a pill. It's no more complicated then making a bottle of aspirin which I haven't heard anyone complain the poor couldn't afford.
#306REDACTED, Posted: Mar 06 2007 at 8:47 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Forcing someone to do something against their will is violent. Arguing otherwise is absurd. Is raping someone, forcing them to have sex with you, against their will, not violent?
#307 Mar 06 2007 at 9:06 PM Rating: Good
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MonxDoT wrote:
Celcio wrote:
You know, you could stop all these side hang ups if you would just use the appropriate word for what you're talking about: Force.


Forcing someone to do something against their will is violent. Arguing otherwise is absurd. Is raping someone, forcing them to have sex with you, against their will, not violent?


Violence is the exertion of physical force. But there are other kinds of force: coercion, blackmail, etc.

Rape is violence, paying taxes is force. I mean, unless as stated, your tax collector punches you in the nose and takes your FICA.

You really are hung up on the rape thing though, aren't you. Half of your posts are like a variation of the Monty Python Spam Skit.

Well, that one hasn't got MUCH rape in it...



#308 Mar 06 2007 at 9:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's profitable, there's an incentive for people to earn your business by undercutting the $3,000/month rate all the way down to under a penny a pill. It's no more complicated then making a bottle of aspirin which I haven't heard anyone complain the poor couldn't afford.
Apparently not since "Make Your Own Generic Drug" kiosks haven't taken off yet.
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#309REDACTED, Posted: Mar 06 2007 at 9:13 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Try not paying your taxes. Try preventing the government from kicking your grandmother out of her house if she doesn't pay the property taxes.
#310 Mar 06 2007 at 9:18 PM Rating: Good
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MonxDoT wrote:
Try not paying your taxes. Try preventing the government from kicking your grandmother out of her house if she doesn't pay the property taxes.


Yeah, the cops are gonna go all Rodney King on my Gramma for non-payment of taxes. You are just out there.

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Just because you flashed weapons and scared her into submitting does not make it not physically violent.


Nah the physical act of violation takes care of that...

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It's just vividly clear how nazified you are when we apply your philosophy to the action of sex.


It's pretty clear how out there you are when you feel compelled to compare everything to sex.

Did your mommy hurt you?

#311REDACTED, Posted: Mar 06 2007 at 9:19 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Because the government will violently arrest you, shut you down, take any material benefit away you may have earned, under the guise of Patent Protection, and those favored with Patents will sue to get the government to violently prevent your free market competition. It prevents people from shaping their material property, which they own (i.e. lab equipment, pills, bottles, bottle caps, etc.) into any manner they would so choose, and prevents them from trading those fruits of their labor with anyone who would voluntarily exchange for those fruits. That's why pharmaceutical companies rape the public with outrageous price gouging. That's why the poor can't afford the best health care drugs like they can a bottle of aspirin. It's similarly so up and down the line along all products which have patent/copyright protection.
#312REDACTED, Posted: Mar 06 2007 at 9:21 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) She's going to be removed from her property by any means necessary, d1psh1t.
#313 Mar 06 2007 at 9:24 PM Rating: Good
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MonxDoT wrote:
Celcio wrote:
Yeah, the cops are gonna go all Rodney King on my Gramma for non-payment of taxes. You are just out there.


She's going to be removed from her property by any means necessary, d1psh1t.


What, no rape?

#314 Mar 06 2007 at 9:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Celcio wrote:
MonxDoT wrote:
Celcio wrote:
Yeah, the cops are gonna go all Rodney King on my Gramma for non-payment of taxes. You are just out there.


She's going to be removed from her property by any means necessary, d1psh1t.


What, no rape?


Only because she's part of the public, and not allowed to mix her own heart meds.

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#315 Mar 06 2007 at 9:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Apparently not since "Make Your Own Generic Drug" kiosks haven't taken off yet.
Because the government will violently arrest you, shut you down, take any material benefit away you may have earned, under the guise of Patent Protection, and those favored with Patents will sue to get the government to violently prevent your free market competition.
Hence the word "Generic".

There's plenty of medicines which are widely available for manufacture.
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#316 Mar 06 2007 at 10:04 PM Rating: Decent
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MonxDoT wrote:
Celcio wrote:
Violence is the exertion of physical force. But there are other kinds of force: coercion, blackmail, etc.

Rape is violence, paying taxes is force. I mean, unless as stated, your tax collector punches you in the nose and takes your FICA.

You really are hung up on the rape thing though, aren't you. Half of your posts are like a variation of the Monty Python Spam Skit.

Well, that one hasn't got MUCH rape in it...


Try not paying your taxes. Try preventing the government from kicking your grandmother out of her house if she doesn't pay the property taxes.

If you pull a gun or a knife and a woman and tell her she will be harmed if she doesn't do what you tell her to do and then she does it, that's still violent, that's still physically violent because you have forced them to do something they did not voluntarily want to do. Just because you flashed weapons and scared her into submitting does not make it not physically violent.

It's all action, no matter what it is. It's just vividly clear how nazified you are when we apply your philosophy to the action of sex.

Kicking grandma out of her house is just a figure of speech. No one physically puts a boot to the ***, unless of course, granny pulls a shotgun on the repo team and she has to be taken out by the cops.

Otherwise, what you're saying is that any kind of law or regulation you may not necessarily agree with is violence. Enforcing such laws can sometimes entail violence. That's a distinction you need to make.
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#317 Mar 06 2007 at 10:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Of course rape is a violent act. Your whole premise on a group of guys voting against a woman for sex is ludicrous. It's not in any fashion the same as collecting taxes in a civilised manner (third world despotism notwithstanding).
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#318 Mar 07 2007 at 8:12 AM Rating: Decent
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And for those who think that's not important, at some point the government must have a way to tell each applicant for aid that "yes, we can do that", or "no, we wont do that". And while I'm sure we could probably codify a set of things that most people agree are "necessary" and should be included, that's never going to be a complete list that everyone thinks should be included. And those people will continue to find the cracks and holes in the system in order to convince everyone else that the coverage available isn't sufficient.


We also have to codify what activities are crimes, and how severe a crime is and agree on normative prison time, increased punishment when the crime, or similar crimes, are repeated, etc.

It is no reason not to do it. It simply means not everyone is going to agree with every detail.

Am I on Smash's side? Nobby's side? It really doesn't much matter.
#319 Mar 07 2007 at 8:33 AM Rating: Decent
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And while I'm sure we could probably codify a set of things that most people agree are "necessary" and should be included, that's never going to be a complete list that everyone thinks should be included.


Yeah, **** it, let em all die.
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#320 Mar 07 2007 at 8:35 AM Rating: Good
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Obligatory "WTF are you all still at it" post.


It's one of the most important issues of our time, after if rape victims are *asking for it*, blacks are lazy and shiftless, and how great an idea Iraq was.
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#322 Mar 07 2007 at 8:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's the equivalent of arguing with a street crazy, but it's oddly irresistible.
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#324 Mar 07 2007 at 9:04 AM Rating: Decent
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The "exploitation of the poor" is a silly concept in capitalism. If Nike opens a factory in China making shoes, and pays it's workers a dollar a day, and does in fact manage to find workers for the factory, are we to assume that Nike kidnapped the people working there, and are forcing them to work at gunpoint? Or perhaps those workers stupidly disregarded better paying jobs to work for Nike. No, it stands to reason that every single worker in that factory is better off now than before Nike opened that factory. Funny thing to call "exploitation".

On another note, I'd like to know what MonxDot thinks of the probability of new drugs being developed if pharmaceutical companies (and their investors) cannot recoup both the manufacturing costs as well as the research costs of a drug (as well as a profit on top for the investors of the risky venture that is research). That's what patents are for. If somebody develops the cure for cancer tomorrow, they ought to be able to make as much money as they can off their contribution to society. That's the incentive that drives innovation.
#325REDACTED, Posted: Mar 07 2007 at 4:27 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The cure for cancer would've been found decades ago if it wasn't for patents and government interference with healthcare. And it'd be as cheap as aspirin too. Sure, there's an all or nothing incentive which drives rushed sloppy reckless violence. It's a myth that Patents are the only incentive for research and development. Did we need patents to harness fire, build the wheel, clothe ourselves? No. Patents drive secrecy and investment by a big few rather than investment by small many.
#326 Mar 07 2007 at 5:11 PM Rating: Decent
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The "exploitation of the poor" is a silly concept in capitalism. If Nike opens a factory in China making shoes, and pays it's workers a dollar a day, and does in fact manage to find workers for the factory, are we to assume that Nike kidnapped the people working there, and are forcing them to work at gunpoint?


Yes.

Stay in denial though.

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