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even like a poor homeless kid stealing bread to feed his poor dying grandmother because they have no system that works FOR THEM?

hypothetically...

how do you figure this?


Survival of the Fittest?

But he speaks in absolutes and uses fancy phrases like "Hobbesian war of all against all." He must know what he is talking about!

You're kidding, right?

Hello. The people are the mob.



Ok. You're the new Dracoid. got it.

Why you gettin' all violint n' shi~?

On the subject of Illegal immigrants and taxes, one of the things you have to realize is that while they do pay taxes, the bulk of the taxes they pay are federal level, not state or local (baring sales taxes of course, but that's another issue).

What's happening in states with a high rate of Illegals (like California) is that the arguement that "they pay taxes" is used to justify things like in-state tuition and education and medical insurance. Those are all paid for by the state though, with federal monies being allocated based on "legal citizens" of the state itself.

What this means is that while they may be filling federal taxes and paying them (which they don't really have a choice unless they're being truely paid under the table), that money does not ever come back to the state in which they are living. However, most of the expenses incurred by illegals *are* paid for by the state.


I really think the issue is somewhat irrelevant anyway. Are we actually arguing that as long as someone pays taxes they automatically get to be a citizen? Um... Don't we have a naturalization process? How about we follow that (or change it if we think it needs changing). This smacks of going around the backs of the people to force changes that you know would never fly otherwise. Ultimately, whether someone pays taxes is not the issue. The issue is whether or not they have legal citizenship. If they do, great. If they don't. That's too bad. My fear is that the arguments that they pay taxes will become arguements that it's ok to let them continue living here in an illegal status (and I think some have already made that argument). That's a bogus argument IMO. If you want to change the requirements, numbers, or anything else involving our immigration policy, then fight to change the policy. Don't figure it's ok to ignore it because folks pay taxes...


This is one of the reasons I supported the idea of a guest worker program (and still think it's the right course). Unfortunately, it got slammed from both sides of the political fence, leaving us pretty much back at square one.

We do. But it's not nearly high enough to cover what the state pays for various programs. You could argue that the state should raise taxes, but that's ignoring the problem. The federal level taxes at higher rates with the assumption that those monies will then be dispersed back to the states via funding programs. Anything that creates discrepancies between the taxes collected, number of actual people the program would need to provide for, and the actual number of legal citizens/aliens upon which the "need" is actually calculated ends up causing a shortage.

If instead of funneling money through the federal government we simply taxed for everything at the state level instead, this wouldn't be an issue. But since we don't do that anymore, it's kinda unfair to tax californians for stuff, then not provide them the funding that they paid for, and then require that they pay more taxes to cover up the shortage.


As long as the lions share of tax dollars flows through the federal government, it's going to ***** over states with a high percentage of illegal immigrants. There's just no way around it.

Don't have time to read the whole article but I had to make a comment....

Being 15k in debt from stupid loans and they wanna give illegal spicks free school? I wonder why so many people hate this country.

this whole illegal immigrant thing is just sooo hypocritical. how in hell do you think we all came to be here, with the exception of american indians? you want to know why this is such a hot issue now, but would never have made the front page 50 years ago? because THIS generation has forgotten where they come from.

florida, texas, california are three of a hand full of states that dont have a state income tax. want to know why? "illegal" immigrants. a constant flow of new people comming into these states, buying food, cars, paying rent, utilities, buying clothes, and paying state sales tax on all of it. some of them even manage to buy a home and then pay property tax as well.

they have bank accounts and pay bank fees. they have loans and pay interest.

they are a boon to any state lucky enough to have an "illegal immigrant problem".

ohhs, noos, they are getting an education at the states expense.....it must be stopped.

yea, so did your grandfather, or your great grandfather. why dont you ask them if it should be stopped. why dont you ask them if their stint on ellis island when they came over should be the standard in this country as to how we treat people comming here looking for a better life. why dont you ask them if we should kick every one who comes here without an invitation out the door?

"illegal" immigrants built this country. even the whitehouse was built with slaves. we are what we are BECAUSE of illegal immigrants, not inspite of them.

hell yes, make them take a drivers license test. its better than the alternative, them driving without knowing how. hell yes send them to school so they can learn our language and how we do things here. and hell yes, get them some medical attention. better to find a desease early than having sone one running around spreading it for years because they cant get medical help.

and guess what? they have paid for it with taxes already, just like you.

you want to know why no one goes after the bussiness that hire them? why no one forces them to pay into medicare, workers comp, or federal income taxes?

because big bussiness makes the rules. adn they are all for condeming an underclass as "illegal" to get cheap labor so they DONT have to pay for those things. think about that the next time you hear a politican crying "illegal immigrant" right before an election year. think about that the next time you smoke a cigarette, or buy sugar or corn.

they are not the problem. they are a blessing. how we treat them is the problem.