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#27 Feb 26 2007 at 10:36 PM Rating: Decent
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
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... The prequels aren't as good, but they're a damn sight better than a lot of sci-fi out there.


Kevin J "I Can't write my way out of a sh*t filled paper bag" Anderson wrote them. They are utter crap. Anyone who feels differently must be forced to read his star wars butchery in sequance until ones eyes begin to bleed.

Edited, Feb 26th 2007 10:32pm by Kaolian


Sorry, I don't read fanfics.

That's what I consider the entire set of Star Wars novels.

(The only reason the Dune prequels are even halfway decent is because of Brian Herbert; however, he seems to have a bad case of diarrhea of the word processor. I have no objections to long books [I liked The Stand, and I like the whole Chronicles of Thomas Covenant series... waiting for #8 to come out here towards the tail end of this year], but the prequels read far too much like gbaji's posts - unnecessarily verbose.)
#28 Feb 26 2007 at 10:49 PM Rating: Good
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Herbert - Dune (the sequels and the prequels can burn - as can the Sting film)


1) The prequels aren't as good, but they're a damn sight better than a lot of sci-fi out there.



They are utter *****, in fact they make other sh'itty books look good. If I was to read Bill O'Reillys book "Those who trespass" I would think 'my gawd that was awful', if I was to read it after Dune House Atreides I would say "that sucked but it didnt suck as bad as that horrible dune prequel! '.

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#29 Feb 26 2007 at 10:52 PM Rating: Good
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MDenham the Shady wrote:
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
MDenham the Shady wrote:

... The prequels aren't as good, but they're a damn sight better than a lot of sci-fi out there.


Kevin J "I Can't write my way out of a sh*t filled paper bag" Anderson wrote them. They are utter crap. Anyone who feels differently must be forced to read his star wars butchery in sequance until ones eyes begin to bleed.

Edited, Feb 26th 2007 10:32pm by Kaolian


Sorry, I don't read fanfics.

That's what I consider the entire set of Star Wars novels.

(The only reason the Dune prequels are even halfway decent is because of Brian Herbert; however, he seems to have a bad case of diarrhea of the word processor. I have no objections to long books [I liked The Stand, and I like the whole Chronicles of Thomas Covenant series... waiting for #8 to come out here towards the tail end of this year], but the prequels read far too much like gbaji's posts - unnecessarily verbose.)


The trilogy by Timothy Zahn was more solid than all three Star War Prequels put together.

Oh and Kao I read the Jedi Academy trilogy, I hate you for making me remember it.
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#30 Feb 26 2007 at 11:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sorry. Concentrate on teh Zahnness. he has a new one out. I haven't read it yet.
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#31 Feb 26 2007 at 11:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Once I get through my pile of books (Catch-22, Steppenwolf, Dragonflight) I will probably go pick up the Aeneid.



Rate ups for the Catch-22 people! As a side benefit, I guarantee you will be better at dealing with bureaucracy.

#32 Feb 27 2007 at 2:50 AM Rating: Decent
I've read the New Testament, and a bit of the Old one, but I agree with Demea that it gets real boring real quick, what with people having names the length of a page, and having 17 children that live for 1000 years. It's just not credible...

Les Miserables is amazing, even the "long" version, but the problem is that a lot gets lost in the translation. I'm sure it's the same way for a lot of foreign books, but there is something about hugo's style in French that is very hard to translate. I guess if we had a time machine, maybe Shakespear could do it...

I love Russian litterature, especialyl Dostoievski, and The Karamazov Brothers is one of my all time favourite books. War and Peace is quite awesome too. The real difficulty with those books are Russian names. Not only are they long and similar, Dostoievski often uses nicknames for his characters, with any warning, so it took me a while to realise Mika was Alenxandre. Once you get past the names and the first 100 pages, then it's like drinking from the fountain of chocolate in heaven.

French litterature mixes the great with teh gretly boring. I hate Zola, Flaubert, Stendhal with a passion, probably cos I was forced-fed them at school. But Celine, Vian, Joseph Kessel are immense authors, and in my opinion much better than the overrated and hard-drug-inducing Zola.

Gabriel Garcia Marquez is defrinately amaing, and "100 years of solitude" is by far my favourite (tho admitedly I've only read "love in the time of cholera" fromhsi other books).

Philospsohy is very hit and miss. Voltaire (Candid), Descartes, Plato (The Republic), Sartre (my favourite philosopher), Russell (His History of Western Philosohy is unbelievavbly amazing) and Rousseau (everything) are easy to read, but guys like Nietzche, Wittgenstein, Foucault, Hegel, are completely impossible. It's adifferent language, and I pesonally think they are ******* for not writing in a comprehensible manner. The concepts are not that complicated, but the academic language means every word means in fact something different from its usual meaning. I defy anyone who has not studied philosophy at University to come here and tell me they can read Hegel, Foucault or Wittgensteind's original work and understand anything.

As for the American authors, I was slightly disappointed by "On the road". I enjoyed it, but not as much as I thought I would. I also thought Paul Auster was quite Crap.
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#33 Feb 27 2007 at 5:51 AM Rating: Good
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I dun red lotsa dem classics.

I have a degree in English Lit so it goes with the territory. Having said that, there are plenty of so-called classics that I'd like to drop kick off the face of the earth.

Hello Jane Austen!
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#34 Feb 27 2007 at 6:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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As for the American authors, I was slightly disappointed by "On the road". I enjoyed it, but not as much as I thought I would.
I read On the Road in college and couldn't tell you Thing One about it.
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#35 Feb 27 2007 at 6:37 AM Rating: Decent
I've read the Old Testament and while it was an interesting read, I wasn't compelled to keep reading.

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I've read so much Vonnegut, it makes me sick to my stomach. I still can't stand his work. Otherwise I haven't read to many "classics", they bore me. Just not my cup o'tea. Unless you count The Hatchet a classic?

Ya grok?
#36 Feb 27 2007 at 7:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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As for the American authors, I was slightly disappointed by "On the road". I enjoyed it, but not as much as I thought I would.
I read On the Road in college and couldn't tell you Thing One about it.


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#37REDACTED, Posted: Feb 27 2007 at 8:00 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yup, read a lot of that stuff in two year long sequences, "Greek Thought and Literature" and "Classics of Social and Politcal Thought".
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I have a copy of A Child's Machiavelli at home. Apparently now (partially) available online in scanned form!

Edited, Feb 27th 2007 8:04am by Jophiel
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#39 Feb 27 2007 at 8:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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I have a copy of A Child's Machiavelli at home. Apparently now (partially) available online in scanned form!

Edited, Feb 27th 2007 8:04am by Jophiel


I love that book! It's out of print now, so I'm glad it's at least partially available.
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#40 Feb 27 2007 at 8:51 AM Rating: Decent
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But all those philosphers, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Sophocles, Rousseau, Hobbes, Smith, Marx, Homer, TheFounders, Nietzsche, Locke, Augistine, Machiavelli, Mill, Tocqueville, Weber, Freud, etc, are all too weak for me now since I've read Mises' Human Action.


I'd bet my non-existant mortgage you haven't read a single line of the original work of most of these guys.

Especially Marx's Kapital.
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#41 Feb 27 2007 at 9:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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But all those philosphers, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Sophocles, Rousseau, Hobbes, Smith, Marx, Homer, TheFounders, Nietzsche, Locke, Augistine, Machiavelli, Mill, Tocqueville, Weber, Freud, etc, are all too weak for me now since I've read Mises' Human Action.


I'd bet my non-existant mortgage you haven't read a single line of the original work of most of these guys.

Especially Marx's Kapital.


You actually read his posts?
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#42 Feb 27 2007 at 10:08 AM Rating: Decent
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You actually read his posts?


Sometimes, for the comedy value.
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#43 Feb 27 2007 at 10:13 AM Rating: Decent
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I have a degree in English Lit so it goes with the territory. Having said that, there are plenty of so-called classics that I'd like to drop kick off the face of the earth.

Hello Jane Austen!


No one hates Jane Austen!

Fortunately I don't have to take your opinion too seriously as you're a married woman and your husband hasn't weighed in yet.

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#44 Feb 27 2007 at 10:17 AM Rating: Decent
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No one hates Jane Austen!


Every English boy between the age of 13-18 hates Jane Austen.


Well, except the gay ones, ofc.

So make that "Some English boys..."
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#46 Feb 27 2007 at 10:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Having said that, there are plenty of so-called classics that I'd like to drop kick off the face of the earth.

Hello Jane Austen!


/gasp

Stop talking crazy and go make more babies!

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#47REDACTED, Posted: Feb 27 2007 at 11:42 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Just because you're a baby who can't debate with the big boys.
#48 Feb 27 2007 at 11:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Just because you're a baby who can't debate with the big boys.


If you say so, chief.
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#49REDACTED, Posted: Feb 27 2007 at 12:07 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Pot, meet Kettle. I tell ya, they're just falling over with their legs open these days.
#50 Feb 27 2007 at 12:14 PM Rating: Good
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If you say so, chief.


I do. And score one for Monx for showing you were a hypocrit to deride another for reading my posts.

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You actually read his posts?


Pot, meet Kettle. I tell ya, they're just falling over with their legs open these days.


You are such a ridiculous asshat.
#51 Feb 27 2007 at 12:17 PM Rating: Good
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You are such a ridiculous asshat.
Are you 'messing with the bull'? Smiley: lol
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