Obama already following in Kerry's footsteps?Follow

I hate to say it Smash, but I don't see "general Welfare of the people" in there anywhere. Go ahead and make that next leap.

Are you really this pathetically desperate?


You have to remember what the founding fathers of the United States were trying to avoid, and why there is a distinction between country and populace, and there is a very strong distinction made by the fathers of this nation.

I see that you are.

The founding fathers of the United States were largely drug addled slave owning ner do wells who wanted to only allow rich white land owning men to vote. That being said, the general welfare clause of the Constitution was clearly intended to allow for taxes to provide government services related to but not exclusive to feeding, clothing, educating, and ensuring the general well being of the masses.

That's what it means, that's what it was intended to mean, that's what they wrote they specifically wanted it to mean and that's what it means now.

If you want to get into a specific debate about founder's intent and Constitutional law we can, but it's only going to end with you in tears realizing what an ignorant *** you are and marveling at how easily you were suckered into being spoon fed bits and pieces of information about the founding of the US.

Let me know.

It doesn't surprise me that the right wing media is out with their long knives already, looking to make innuendos.

After all, the right are experts at the smear campaign and with such outlets such as Fox News, things like objectivity or credible political analysis seem unimportant.

I mean, the right wing media has done such diabolical things. For example:

Republican political ad comparing a Georgia Senator (who was a triple amputeed Vietnam vet) to Osama bin Laden because he opposed a provision in the Homeland Security bill.

Said the Barack Obama, a black man running for president would have supported slavery because he is a "uniter" and "not a divider."

Managed to push a bill to impeach the President for lying to congress about his sexual behavior while just a little while later, preaching about the politics of destruction when there is even talk of censure for lying about the reason we went to Iraq and cherry-picking intelligence. Not to mention the fact that they paint the "anti-war" politicians as "leftist extremists" even though the majority of Americans oppose the course of the war.

And Cheney didn't suffer anything from shooting a man in the face.

And probably the worst part--our fake culture war that essentially uses prejudices deep in our American consciousness for political gain and to paint a complex and diverse nation in simplistic terms of good and evil for the sole purpose of a power grab and an attempt to gain political currency by never really talking about actual governance, just vague "values" that have little meaning. I'm from rural America and if someone is a dumbsh*t enough to think that gay marriage destroys the traditional structure of conservative rural america more than agribusiness, then I seriously wonder if they should have the right to vote in the first place.

I don't know. I think that somewhere, the neocons made a deal with the devil. Everywhere there are right wing pundits in a faux-victim stance, preaching about bias on the news while promoting an administration that has deliberately obfuscated and obstructed the press from having access. They went after Dan Rather for sh*t that had less of an impact than what Fox aired about Kerry and how he got his purple hearts which was misleading bullsh*t--and I don't particularly like Kerry.

Overall, this is it. The mudslinging. The bullsh*t. The endless playing. This is why we have the government that we have. There is no honor among thieves and there will be no talk about actual governance, just vague accusations of being antipatriotic and some such bs.

And let's not forget who is the bigger @#%^ here. Obama? Kerry? Or is it GWB and his cronies who lead the troops to a war without sufficient planning, ignoring legitimate protests about numbers and our readiness to enter a war like this while still in Afganistan and based on false intelligence and for unclear purposes. I vote for GWB. He's the ******* that doesn't value anyone's lives.



Edited, Feb 17th 2007 9:33pm by Annabella

Some call them 'visionaries', I prefer 'malcontents'.

The problem i think is that to a large amount of people not actively hallucinating, what he says is right on the money

This seems obviously true.

Damnit! I really don't want to have to vote for Hillary but Obama just ****** up!

I want a T-Shirt that says: "Katie is a stupid *****."


Oops, wrong thread.

You realize, I hope, that the quoted article is misleading and inaccurate.

You give some of us too much credit, Joph.

Edited, Feb 19th 2007 6:20pm by Belkira

Why do you hate Canada?

Also, why form an opinion if you admit you know nothing about the subject? How can you feel "let down" if you can't even be bothered to read the freaking story? If someone told you Obama poisoned the water of American soldiers in Iraq, would you feel "let down"?

if he made that statement out of context or not does not matter.

None of it matters to you. You're too stupid to decide who to vote for on your own, just go back to ************ in the corner to Gladiator and we'll let you know who you're supposed to vote for in a year or so when we've decided for you.

What an ignorant piece of dog sh'it you are.

Feel free to be offended by that whether you get or don't get the context, c'unt.

It seems that he didn't catch the trascript that you posted a couple of posts later.

The article is misleading after reading the actual transcript. I still think that his statement was poorly worded, and he admitted that, which I applaud. I think that he appears to be a stand up guy, and could be a good leader, however, that remains to be seen. I'd still rule him out for '08 (too little experience so far, but that could be a good thing), but he could be a likely front runner for '12. It'll be interesting to see him debate people like Savage or even Ron Paul (who is considering running, can't wait there). I think that this could be one of the best elections for watching in our lifetimes. Dare I say it, but this could be the election that actually unites the population against horrible spending and taxation practices.

Great analogy Smash. Yes, those to ideals are "exactly" alike.