Socialized medicine ftw.
“In the same sense that any other business person has the opportunity to decline service, be it a restaurant if they’re not dressed properly, be it any other type of business,†said Dr. Ronald Morton, Kern County Medical Society.
Morton said certain ethics apply if a person’s life is in danger, but besides that, there is no requirement to serve anyone they don’t approve of.
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Morton said certain ethics apply if a person’s life is in danger, but besides that, there is no requirement to serve anyone they don’t approve of.
So, doctors only have to help you if your life is threatened? Doesn't this seem inefficient?
What I mean is this: if you have symptoms of a serious condition which has not taken full effect yet, wouldn't it be prudent to begin treatment (anti-biotics, etc.) before symptoms worsen? If you're having chest pains, wouldn't it be prudent to start working on your cholestoral and blood pressure before you have a heart attack?
Sure, the guy has the right to be a prick, but that doesn't mean that he should exercise that right.
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
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So, doctors only have to help you if your life is threatened?
Yep, in a private practice at least. Would you go to a doctor's office that was frequented by hobos? Hospitals and state clinics are a different story, which is why they are there.
Jacobsdeception the Sly wrote:
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So, doctors only have to help you if your life is threatened?
Yep, in a private practice at least. Would you go to a doctor's office that was frequented by hobos? Hospitals and state clinics are a different story, which is why they are there.
I don't see how service to the general public has anything to do with the necessity that you be imminently dying in order to receive medical treatment.
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
I don't see how service to the general public has anything to do with the necessity that you be imminently dying in order to receive medical treatment.
Because, at the present time, there's zero distinction between non emergency medical care a burrito stand. You can offer 2 for 1 colonoscopy coupons, refuse to service people you think smell funny, whatever.
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I don't see how service to the general public has anything to do with the necessity that you be imminently dying in order to receive medical treatment.
achileez wrote:
A bunch of small minded, right-wing bullsh*t.
Eat a dick hillbilly.
I never said that I couldn't cover them. Just as I'm sure, unless the mother had tattoos on her face, hands, or neck, she could cover any tramp stamp she might have had.
And my employer hired me for what I can do for them, not what my arms look like.
EDIT: Oh, and pick a name numbnuts.
Edited, Feb 16th 2007 11:58am by Kaelesh
Smasharoo wrote:
Because, at the present time, there's zero distinction between non emergency medical care a burrito stand. You can offer 2 for 1 colonoscopy coupons, refuse to service people you think smell funny, whatever.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
Smasharoo wrote:
Because, at the present time, there's zero distinction between non emergency medical care a burrito stand. You can offer 2 for 1 colonoscopy coupons, refuse to service people you think smell funny, whatever.
Atomicflea wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Smasharoo wrote:
Because, at the present time, there's zero distinction between non emergency medical care a burrito stand. You can offer 2 for 1 colonoscopy coupons, refuse to service people you think smell funny, whatever.
fixd
*rimshot*
First of all doc's rarely give pain meds for ear infection around here. All they would have gotten most likely is an antibiotic prescription and told them to make sure she rests and stays hydrated.
Most insurances, including mine for Kailey, do not cover ER visits that aren't provided by doctor recommendation. So if Kai needed stitches, just a small laceration, I could probably keep that til morning or wait for doctor ok. I am lucky however my doctor won't do that type por procedure. It was just a stupid example don't lose your breakfast over it. I used this example because we had this experience.
However, if Kai were to have an asthma issue and it could be life threatening THEN I can go to the ER, no doctor middleman **** needed.
So, the doctor is a moron. In Christian beliefs you are to help others, especially those less fortunate than yourself. If your belief is no tattoos, fine, but he is discriminating against her and is being a hypocritcal butthead. He has NO right to judge her, her activities etc.
The doctor can hate the parents all day long, but foregoing care to a child is down right petty and I feel he should lose his license or at least get a big damn fine AND apologize to the little girl. What if it would have been meningitis and she eventually died? If it was seriouse enough for ER than she should have been taken. Ear infections usually aren't that serious and can wait until the next day, the biggest issue being discomfort. The reason ear infections ultimately end up in ER is because it worsens at night.
I am betting she didn't suffer too badly as 12 hours for waiting until morning shouldn't have harmed her if it was truly only an ear infection. There are many child remedies for pain, they could have done "something" to comfort her.
My son was the king of ear infections, and I always knew when a new tooth was coming. I think there was only one time he required anything stronger than a good dose of advil, a warm pack, and some love. He did have a couple surgeries and one ear drum burst x2.
I really do not think this was front page news sort of stuff, however if she went into a restaurant, market whatever fine, shew her away. This WAS about her kid, not her.
...... and the doctor is still a "dumb dummyhead." << Shark Tale
Most insurances, including mine for Kailey, do not cover ER visits that aren't provided by doctor recommendation. So if Kai needed stitches, just a small laceration, I could probably keep that til morning or wait for doctor ok. I am lucky however my doctor won't do that type por procedure. It was just a stupid example don't lose your breakfast over it. I used this example because we had this experience.
However, if Kai were to have an asthma issue and it could be life threatening THEN I can go to the ER, no doctor middleman **** needed.
So, the doctor is a moron. In Christian beliefs you are to help others, especially those less fortunate than yourself. If your belief is no tattoos, fine, but he is discriminating against her and is being a hypocritcal butthead. He has NO right to judge her, her activities etc.
The doctor can hate the parents all day long, but foregoing care to a child is down right petty and I feel he should lose his license or at least get a big damn fine AND apologize to the little girl. What if it would have been meningitis and she eventually died? If it was seriouse enough for ER than she should have been taken. Ear infections usually aren't that serious and can wait until the next day, the biggest issue being discomfort. The reason ear infections ultimately end up in ER is because it worsens at night.
I am betting she didn't suffer too badly as 12 hours for waiting until morning shouldn't have harmed her if it was truly only an ear infection. There are many child remedies for pain, they could have done "something" to comfort her.
My son was the king of ear infections, and I always knew when a new tooth was coming. I think there was only one time he required anything stronger than a good dose of advil, a warm pack, and some love. He did have a couple surgeries and one ear drum burst x2.
I really do not think this was front page news sort of stuff, however if she went into a restaurant, market whatever fine, shew her away. This WAS about her kid, not her.
...... and the doctor is still a "dumb dummyhead." << Shark Tale
I really do not think this was front page news sort of stuff, however if she went into a restaurant, market whatever fine, shew her away.
I'm fuzzy as to why this is fine.
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I don't see a problem with what the doctor did. It certainly wasn't a nice thing to do, but it's not exactly a huge deal. If it was a hospital or government run facility I could see it being an issue, but it's a private business. He works for himself, he can do what he wants.
If the doctor doesn't want to treat you, find another doctor. The ear infection isn't going to kill her, and frankly if it's that painful that you can't wait one more day to find a new doctor why did you wait so long to see the first one? Ear infections can get quite painful for children, but if you're any kind of parent you know about them before they get bad enough to be serious.
You can't force people to work for you if they don't want to and when you see a doctor they are your employee (you hire them in a sense) for the duration of your visit.
If the doctor doesn't want to treat you, find another doctor. The ear infection isn't going to kill her, and frankly if it's that painful that you can't wait one more day to find a new doctor why did you wait so long to see the first one? Ear infections can get quite painful for children, but if you're any kind of parent you know about them before they get bad enough to be serious.
You can't force people to work for you if they don't want to and when you see a doctor they are your employee (you hire them in a sense) for the duration of your visit.
Yodabunny wrote:
Ear infections can get quite painful for children, but if you're any kind of parent you know about them before they get bad enough to be serious.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
Yodabunny wrote:
Ear infections can get quite painful for children, but if you're any kind of parent you know about them before they get bad enough to be serious.
Sorry, by serious I mean serious enough that waiting a day for another doctor would be an issue. You should see the signs before it gets to that point (with exception to newborns who show no real signs but I doubt this is the case).
Varus:
There are two sides to that coin, let's discuss the smart business aspect you mentioned.
I, personally, if I viewed this scene at my doctor's office, who is a Christian I might add, I would probably not use her services any more. So your smart business idea doesn't hold water for me. I mean, it's just my opinion, but there was a child in pain, if he was really embarassed, he could have asked them to come back at later time, put them in a room where they wouldn't embarass him etc.
Even at my church, (yes. I do attend, no. I do not want to argue my beliefs) there are people with tatoo's. We do not discrimate against one for their choice of dressings, it could have been a stupid adolescent mistake, why punish the adult of a mistake that could have occured while drunk etc. That doctor doesn't know what her life is like. He has no right to judge her, here I go again mentioning that.
Back to business. If she were rowdy and rude, I can see them asking her to remove her family from the premises. But from what I garner, she was merely asking for help, which she was denied. I do not think that was a smart move, look at how it's going now, he may lose much more business than he ever thought from the fall out of this.
I am sorry to get all in this particular thing, but I currenly have an issue with a teacher at my son's school. Maybe I will make a thread about it, but children are precious, I commend that mom, tatoo's or no, that she has enough brains to seek professional assistance at this time. She could have just ignored the symptoms etc.
Ok I need a break, thanks for fun debate tho!
There are two sides to that coin, let's discuss the smart business aspect you mentioned.
I, personally, if I viewed this scene at my doctor's office, who is a Christian I might add, I would probably not use her services any more. So your smart business idea doesn't hold water for me. I mean, it's just my opinion, but there was a child in pain, if he was really embarassed, he could have asked them to come back at later time, put them in a room where they wouldn't embarass him etc.
Even at my church, (yes. I do attend, no. I do not want to argue my beliefs) there are people with tatoo's. We do not discrimate against one for their choice of dressings, it could have been a stupid adolescent mistake, why punish the adult of a mistake that could have occured while drunk etc. That doctor doesn't know what her life is like. He has no right to judge her, here I go again mentioning that.
Back to business. If she were rowdy and rude, I can see them asking her to remove her family from the premises. But from what I garner, she was merely asking for help, which she was denied. I do not think that was a smart move, look at how it's going now, he may lose much more business than he ever thought from the fall out of this.
I am sorry to get all in this particular thing, but I currenly have an issue with a teacher at my son's school. Maybe I will make a thread about it, but children are precious, I commend that mom, tatoo's or no, that she has enough brains to seek professional assistance at this time. She could have just ignored the symptoms etc.
Ok I need a break, thanks for fun debate tho!
Kween Darqflame wrote:
So, the doctor is a moron. In Christian beliefs you are to help others, especially those less fortunate than yourself. If your belief is no tattoos, fine, but he is discriminating against her and is being a hypocritcal butthead. He has NO right to judge her, her activities etc.
It was based on the way she presented herself. It was her tattoos not her activities etc. It's basically the same as getting kicked out for not wearing a shirt or whatever. He may have been a ****, but it's his right to do so.
Kween Darqflame wrote:
The doctor can hate the parents all day long, but foregoing care to a child is down right petty and I feel he should lose his license or at least get a big damn fine AND apologize to the little girl.
He shouldn't lose his license, recieve a fine or apologize if he didn't break any laws or rules.
Kween Darqflame wrote:
What if it would have been meningitis and she eventually died? If it was seriouse enough for ER than she should have been taken. Ear infections usually aren't that serious and can wait until the next day, the biggest issue being discomfort. The reason ear infections ultimately end up in ER is because it worsens at night.
I hate how everyone is saying 'what if it was a life threatening issue'. It's not, it's a damn ear infection and you even said those usuaully aren't serious and can wait another day. There's a difference between someone falling down and getting scratched and someone bleeding their guts all over the sidewalk. Would you try to help both? I think if it was a life threatening issue there might not be a story here. But even then I'm not sure there's a law stating he would have to do everything in his power to help. He might be a ****, but it's his business and he can handle it how he wants as long as it's legal.
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Yeah, the doctor is a **** but it's his right to be a **** so the lady can just f'uck right the hell off.
I'm lost here. What does having a tattoo and being a Christian have to do with each other? Is there some kind of passage that I am missing? Isn't the basis of Christianity seeking salvation through Jesus and really how does having tattoos relate to that search?
Edited, Feb 16th 2007 3:22pm by Annabella
Edited, Feb 16th 2007 3:22pm by Annabella
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
The what if issue will also be brought up, we all know it wasn't so pull your panties out hun.
I am fighting from a mother's point of view, you, are not.
IMO: Fuck business, these are my babies you are fucking with!!! << that is my stance.
All I see is he's an ***, plain and simple. He is using his faith as a fall back, he's lying.
I am fighting from a mother's point of view, you, are not.
IMO: Fuck business, these are my babies you are fucking with!!! << that is my stance.
All I see is he's an ***, plain and simple. He is using his faith as a fall back, he's lying.
Queen Annabella wrote:
I'm lost here. What does having a tattoo and being a Christian have to do with each other? Is there some kind of passage that I am missing?
Leviticus 19:28
It can be interrepted many ways.
Kween Darqflame wrote:
Queen Annabella wrote:
I'm lost here. What does having a tattoo and being a Christian have to do with each other? Is there some kind of passage that I am missing?
Leviticus 19:28
It can be interrepted many ways.
achileez wrote:
If any of you know a sailor that doesn't have a tat i'd be surprised.
Varus
Varus
I know several with and without tattoo's.
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