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#27 Feb 14 2007 at 10:47 AM Rating: Good
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I did an epidural for this girl the other day, and she screamed in a way that seemed excessive. Not the first birth I've witnessed, but damn. She made me worried. Did all you ladies make a big fuss, or were you more the grip-your-hubby's-hand-and-curse type?
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Screaming your head off only makes it worse. Seriously. If you stay calm, breath deep, know that the pain means that the baby is coming it will help you feel a little better. People who scream and clench their fists and curse and spit at their husbands are tensing themselves up and making it harder for the baby and themselves.

Not that some people don't have really rough births anyway though. My friend's wife had a freakin 36 hour labor and he said if it was 50 years ago she would have died.
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#29 Feb 14 2007 at 12:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Not that some people don't have really rough births anyway though. My friend's wife had a freakin 36 hour labor and he said if it was 50 years ago she would have died.


Damn, how old is she?
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I think she's 26, but I might be off by a year. I went to see her the same day and she looked horrible. She weakly told me, "Damn you and your 1 push birth.." She had all kinds of complications with her blood, fever, severe swelling, etc.
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#31 Feb 14 2007 at 12:46 PM Rating: Decent
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I think she's 26, but I might be off by a year. I went to see her the same day and she looked horrible. She weakly told me, "Damn you and your 1 push birth.." She had all kinds of complications with her blood, fever, severe swelling, etc.


Out of professional curiosity, any idea what kind of interventions she had? IV? Epidural? Pitocin?



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I don't know, sorry. :( All I know is that both her OB and her replacement OB were out of town due to them thinking she wasn't going to give birth on Halloween. So she was left with some doctor she didn't know at all and this is probably why the idiot let her go so long and still have a natural birth. Even my doctor said that was very surprising and that normally they just C-Section before it gets that hard on the mother.
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#33 Feb 14 2007 at 1:10 PM Rating: Good
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Atomicflea wrote:
I did an epidural for this girl the other day, and she screamed in a way that seemed excessive. Not the first birth I've witnessed, but damn. She made me worried. Did all you ladies make a big fuss, or were you more the grip-your-hubby's-hand-and-curse type?

A friend of mine is like that. She's had three babies and each time she said she screamed so loud and so long that she probably would be considered good birth control if someone had just recorded her and passed it out to teen girls in sex ed class. But its just how she dealt with the pain.

Myself, I pretty much turn inward and get really quiet. No swearing, no screaming, just stay out of my line of vision, dont bother me, and let me do my thing. The only time I got pissed was the first time when some nurse gave me an IV and took her sweet *** time, poking me more times than a voodoo doll. Second time I almost lost my temper at a doula who kept trying to make me look at her and "breathe with her." I just told her no, turned away and went to town my way.
#34 Feb 14 2007 at 1:15 PM Rating: Good
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What's a doula?
#35 Feb 14 2007 at 1:17 PM Rating: Decent
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The Glorious GitSlayer wrote:
What's a doula?


What's a dIckfour?
#36 Feb 14 2007 at 1:19 PM Rating: Good
MentalFrog wrote:
The Glorious GitSlayer wrote:
What's a doula?


What's a dIckfour?
That all depends on who's in the room with it.
#37 Feb 14 2007 at 1:19 PM Rating: Good
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The Glorious GitSlayer wrote:
What's a doula?
I had to look it up.
dona.org wrote:
The doula’s role is to provide physical and emotional support and assistance in gathering information for women and their partners during labor and birth. The doula offers help and advice on comfort measures such as breathing, relaxation, movement, and positioning. She also assists the woman and her partner to become informed about the course of their labor and their options. Perhaps the most crucial role of the doula is providing continuous emotional reassurance and comfort.
You've got to be freakin' kidding me. I would punch her.
#38 Feb 14 2007 at 1:25 PM Rating: Decent
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The Glorious GitSlayer wrote:
What's a doula?


Professional labor assistant. Basically her job is to "mother the mother." They're there to keep the mother calm and help her with natural pain-management techniques (if that's what she desires) and basically just try to help the mother have the most positive birth experience she can have. They can also provide a great deal of assistance to the father/birth partner, by acting as a relief when he needs a break and guiding him on the best way to assist the mother.

I've done doula training as a prerequisite for the midwifery school I want to attend, but I'm not sure I'll ever work as one aside from the requisite number of births I will have to attend in that role for my midwife certification--I don't really have the personality for it.

DSD--how did you end up with a doula? Did you hire one, or was it a service offered by the hospital? What kind of (if any) childbirth education classes did you take?

For myself, I'm imagining I will be like you and go inside myself to cope with labor. At least, that's what I've done in other situations under physical duress. Back when Mr. Ambrya and I did a lot more S&M play, I'd usually actually visualize my breath going in and out during flogging scenes.

#39 Feb 14 2007 at 1:26 PM Rating: Good
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Atomicflea wrote:
The Glorious GitSlayer wrote:
What's a doula?
I had to look it up.
dona.org wrote:
The doula’s role is to provide physical and emotional support and assistance in gathering information for women and their partners during labor and birth. The doula offers help and advice on comfort measures such as breathing, relaxation, movement, and positioning. She also assists the woman and her partner to become informed about the course of their labor and their options. Perhaps the most crucial role of the doula is providing continuous emotional reassurance and comfort.
You've got to be freakin' kidding me. I would punch her.


Hell, if I was the father I would punch her. Half that **** would be my responsibility.
#40 Feb 14 2007 at 1:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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Pikko Pots wrote:
Not that some people don't have really rough births anyway though. My friend's wife had a freakin 36 hour labor and he said if it was 50 years ago she would have died.


Damn, how old is she?


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#41 Feb 14 2007 at 1:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Atomicflea wrote:
The Glorious GitSlayer wrote:
What's a doula?
I had to look it up.
dona.org wrote:
The doula’s role is to provide physical and emotional support and assistance in gathering information for women and their partners during labor and birth. The doula offers help and advice on comfort measures such as breathing, relaxation, movement, and positioning. She also assists the woman and her partner to become informed about the course of their labor and their options. Perhaps the most crucial role of the doula is providing continuous emotional reassurance and comfort.
You've got to be freakin' kidding me. I would punch her.


Obviously DSDs doula was not all that good at gauging when to get in there and assist and when to stand back and let the mother be in her own space. With a well-trained and experienced doula, though, they can be an enormous help. They can actually shorten labor time and women who engage doulas report having an easier time managing labor pain.

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The Glorious GitSlayer wrote:
What's a doula?
She sounds as if she might bring me golabki and, therefore, I approve of her.

Edited, Feb 14th 2007 1:35pm by Jophiel
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#43 Feb 14 2007 at 1:32 PM Rating: Decent
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They can also provide a great deal of assistance to the father/birth partner, by acting as a relief when he needs


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#44 Feb 14 2007 at 1:32 PM Rating: Decent
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The Glorious GitSlayer wrote:
Atomicflea wrote:
The Glorious GitSlayer wrote:
What's a doula?
I had to look it up.
dona.org wrote:
The doula’s role is to provide physical and emotional support and assistance in gathering information for women and their partners during labor and birth. The doula offers help and advice on comfort measures such as breathing, relaxation, movement, and positioning. She also assists the woman and her partner to become informed about the course of their labor and their options. Perhaps the most crucial role of the doula is providing continuous emotional reassurance and comfort.
You've got to be freakin' kidding me. I would punch her.


Hell, if I was the father I would punch her. Half that sh*t would be my responsibility.


You'd be amazed at the number of fathers who come to a point at which they find themselves at a loss as to what to do. There's a number of ways the doula/father/mother dynamic can work. The father can be the primary assistant and the doula acts as backup/support, or if the father doesn't feel he can really provide the mother with what she needs effectively, the doula can be primary and the father secondary. Or they can trade off, enabling the father to get a nap or some food during a long labor (because he's not going to be any good to the mother if he's too exhausted to function.)

It does actually help.
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With a well-trained and experienced doula, though, they can be an enormous help. They can actually shorten labor time and women who engage doulas report having an easier time managing labor pain.
Sounds to me like propaganda spread by doulas who wish to line their pockets with the spoils of doula-ing.
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#46 Feb 14 2007 at 1:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Ambrya wrote:
With a well-trained and experienced doula, though, they can be an enormous help. They can actually shorten labor time and women who engage doulas report having an easier time managing labor pain.
Sounds to me like propaganda spread by doulas who wish to line their pockets with the spoils of doula-ing.


Journal of the American Assn of Family Physicians

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Primary Results. Fourteen trials, involving more than 5,000 women, are included in the review.1 The continuous presence of a support person reduced the likelihood of medication for pain relief (odds ratio [OR] 0.71, 95 percent confidence interval [CI], 0.62, 0.81); operative vaginal delivery (OR 0.77, 95 percent CI, 0.65, 0.90); cesarean delivery (OR 0.77, 95 percent CI, 0.64, 0.91), and a five-minute Apgar score of less than 7 (OR 0.50, 95 percent CI, 0.28, 0.87). Continuous support also was associated with a slight reduction in the length of labor.

Six trials evaluated the effect of support on mothers' views of their childbirth experience; although the trials used different measures (overall satisfaction, failure to cope well during labor, finding labor to be worse than expected, and the level of personal control during childbirth), in each trial the results favored the group that had received continuous support.

Reviewers' Conclusions. Continuous support from professional health care workers or nonprofessional caregivers during labor and delivery has a number of medical and psychosocial benefits for mothers and their babies, and there does not appear to be any harmful effect.



They've also been endorsed by studies done by the World Health Organization and the American College of Gynecologists and Obstetricians.



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#47 Feb 14 2007 at 1:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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She was doul-in'
Doul-in' Dalton....


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Journal of the American Assn of Family Physicians
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They've also been endorsed by studies done by the World Health Organization and the American College of Gynecologists and Obstetricians.
All people out to earn a paycheck.

I read on a Dixie Riddle cup once that it was all a scam and that was good enough for me Smiley: laugh
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#49 Feb 14 2007 at 1:48 PM Rating: Good
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Ambrya wrote:
With a well-trained and experienced doula, though, they can be an enormous help. They can actually shorten labor time and women who engage doulas report having an easier time managing labor pain.
Sounds to me like propaganda spread by doulas who wish to line their pockets with the spoils of doula-ing.
It's good we see eye to eye on this. I don't even plan to give birth at a teaching hospital. Under normal circumstances I have a good manners, but I sure as hell would lose them if some stranger were trying to coach me through birth. That's what my mother is for.
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Plus the word "doula" sounds Slavic. I don't doubt that their ranks are composed of shifty gypsy-women looking to snatch away the placenta during the confusion of childbirth and sell it to potion-grinders.
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She was doul-in'
Doul-in' Dalton....


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