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#27 Feb 11 2007 at 7:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Good god I want my ten minutes back.

MonxDot you argue from the most pointless points of view. "Minds, pens, paper, are and can be just as distracting as anything else." You need those to fUcking work in class room and have zero connection to a cell phone, idiot.
#28REDACTED, Posted: Feb 11 2007 at 7:10 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) What are pens and paper but tools which can be used in the educational process. The cell phone is no different than a pen. It's just another tool which can be used in the educational process. Sure, cell phones can go off ringing distracting class. And so too can pens go off sticking in the ceiling distracting class.
#29 Feb 11 2007 at 7:14 PM Rating: Decent
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The problem with these things having to be banned is their main purpose, the cell phone's main purpose is to talk to people so yea, it's going to be distracting, pen + paper are supposed to be for doing work. Technology such as laptops are typically banned, however in some cases, their main purpose in a school is to do work in which case, after the novelty of the laptop wears off, they are just as distracting as a pen and paper (which is not much even when they are equipped with fun toys like flash and the adobe suite and e-mail). The point is that things not contributing to work are banned because that is what school is for, doing work in order to learn.
#30 Feb 11 2007 at 7:18 PM Rating: Decent
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It's just another tool which can be used in the educational process.


Tell me, then, how a cell phone is as useful as a calculator or a pen and paper in learning. Tell me how its learning aid capabilities far surpass its distracting shortcomings. Go ahead, I dare you.

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The problem with these things having to be banned is their main purpose, the cell phone's main purpose is to talk to people so yea, it's going to be distracting, pen + paper are supposed to be for doing work.


Exactly, case closed.
#31 Feb 11 2007 at 7:28 PM Rating: Decent
Wow, from the overwhelming response that the teachers are doing nothing wrong, it's clearly obvious that the majority of the forum users do not have any kids. Which is not a big surprise, they spend their entire lives on a computer playing a video game.

EDIT: Guess I didn't read the OP well enough. This is a thread about cell phones and not how teachers treat their students. As I was saying, these teaches need to be fired.

Edited, Feb 11th 2007 10:19pm by Luignata
#32 Feb 11 2007 at 7:29 PM Rating: Decent
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The guy with bizarre arguments wrote:

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You cannot prohibit a student from writing bad things about their school or teachers. Nor can you prohibit them from video recording those same things with cell phone tools. Case closed. Supreme Court rules in my favor 7-2.


Correct, you cannot 100 percent prohibit distractions in class. As I stated earlier...

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Define what is unnecessary about action taken to limit distractions in class via the use of objects not needed for education.


Do you plan on answering that? Do you believe that a classroom should have objects of distraction? Is your mind distracting anyone else but yourself?

Notice the word "limit"? You can do things to limit distractions. What are you arguing about? This stuff is common sense, but keep in mind limiting distractions in a classroom is not an effort done in vain. That is the general consensus.

Case Closed Supreme Court rules in our favor 9-0

Edited, Feb 11th 2007 9:30pm by ZinZin
#33 Feb 11 2007 at 7:31 PM Rating: Default
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The problem with these things having to be banned is their main purpose, the cell phone's main purpose is to talk to people so yea, it's going to be distracting, pen + paper are supposed to be for doing work. ... The point is that things not contributing to work are banned because that is what school is for, doing work in order to learn.


Makaro the Mundane wrote:
Tell me, then, how a cell phone is as useful as a calculator or a pen and paper in learning. Tell me how its learning aid capabilities far surpass its distracting shortcomings. Go ahead, I dare you.


ZinZin wrote:
Do you plan on answering that? Do you believe that a classroom should have objects of distraction?


So cell phones are Instruments of Mass Distraction? (IMD TM /claim).

Is not the main purpose of a calculator to do computations? Are you "cheating" every time you use a calculator? Are you "cheating" if you use your cell phone to look up how to spell a word or find the meaning of a word on dictionary.com? How about using your cell phone to look up information on wikipedia.org to write a research paper?

Hell, teachers themselves wheel in television sets upon which to show educational videos. The television is allowed in the classroom but not the cell phone?




Edited, Feb 11th 2007 10:40pm by MonxDoT
#34 Feb 11 2007 at 7:45 PM Rating: Excellent
The only Barkingturtle approved use for a cell phone in a classroom is recording upskirt footage. Anything else is in truth distracting from the cause.

Honestly, though, totally ludicrous arguement with a totally ludicrous troll.
#35 Feb 11 2007 at 7:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Look you haven't answered my question. It requires a yes or a no. It seems like you categorically are unable to classify what an inappropriate object of distraction is within a class room.

Many people agree on these premises of what constitutes an object of distraction which is inappropriate for a classroom setting.

1) The inappropriate object of distraction within a classroom setting is deemed to have no place within a classroom because of it's use.

What do you use a cell phone for? To talk and text message. It has no wide use in a classroom setting because not every kid can use one to learn and it would be really inefficient to teach class via text messaging.

2) The use of the inappropriate object of distraction within a classroom setting is not a tool of education.

As stated above teaching via cell phone is inefficient and doesn't occur. Therefore it is not a tool of eduction.

3) An inappropriate object of distraction within a classroom setting is deemed inappropriate by it's capacity to disturb the learning process of ourselves and others.

Your mind can't disturb others. Maybe a paper airplane flying at someone's head and a pencil banging on the desk, but those things are needed to "RECORD" and recording notes or learning material is fundamental to learning in general. These cell phones in this case are recording a "HISSY FIT". If you wish to "Slippery slope" you can also make another absurd argument about how polyester T shirts could be banned because it distracts the student by causing them discomfort. >.>

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Hell, teachers themselves wheel in television sets upon which to show educational videos. The television is allowed in the classroom but not the cell phone?


Please read precept number 2.

#36REDACTED, Posted: Feb 11 2007 at 7:50 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well Joophiel says in loco parentis allows the dictation of dress codes. How about forcing all girls to wear uniforms with skirts?
#37REDACTED, Posted: Feb 11 2007 at 8:03 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Good anticipation of my pen missiles and paper airplanes. Well why are they "needed" to record if phone keyboards and cameras can record? Yeah, they recorded a hissy fit, and all who watched the hissy fit are better educated to what goes on in the school system.
#38 Feb 11 2007 at 8:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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Man, the horns have been gotten tonight.


#39 Feb 11 2007 at 8:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Why am I not getting your posts? You are plainly engaging in pure sophistry. Look it up in the dictionary. I stated 3 premises that basically categorize why the cell phone is an object that causes a distraction which is inappropriate for a classroom setting. Here is your response and I'm trying to understand you as best as I can.

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What do you use your mouth for? To talk and eat and make out and text message and on and on. What do you use your hands for? To talk and write and text message and on and on.


I wrote earlier that a cellphone is an inefficient means for learning and it distracts people that is why it has no place in the classroom. All you can come back is with questions that inaccurately pin point the use of my mouth, talking and eating. Where is the assertion? I'm not understanding your point. Are you trying to classify our body parts as an interfacing tool to be something similar to a cell phone? Cellphone for learning is inefficient. It takes forever to text message and little time to talk out a few key points in learning. YOU FAIL!

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Omg lawl! Are you the inventor of the Dewey Decimal System? I mean holy ****, "the use of the inappropriate object of distraction. Does that include vibrators, vibrators on phizones you pervs? :P".


Name calling? How intelligent of you, "LAWL!" YOU FAIL!

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So are you saying throwing your pen to get it to stick in the ceiling while the teacher is talking is "use of the inappropriate object of distraction within a classroom setting? How about throwing a paper airplane while the teacher's back is turned? That always seems to be a crowd pleaser favorite.


You can't stop **** like that from happening. Be realistic. What is your point? If you read the premise correctly I never defined what proper use of an object deemed appropriate for class is. And a pen is not an inappropriate object for the classroom deemed upon it's efficiency. YOU FAIL!

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Good anticipation of my pen missiles and paper airplanes. Well why are they "needed" to record if phone keyboards and cameras can record?


Keyboards can record, cameras can record because they just sit there and don't make noises and they can be efficient tools for recording learning material. Not cellphones, they can distract and have no place for learning because it's use is inefficient when applied to a situation where you're trying to learn. For EX: Teaching class via text messaging. You keep failing.

Sometimes I wonder why I bother to respond. No matter what anyone types, no matter how valid their points are, you will continue in your own mind think you are right. You shall never find the truth. I pity you.
#40 Feb 11 2007 at 8:19 PM Rating: Decent
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What do you use your mouth for? To talk and eat and make out and text message and on and on.


I tried to text message with my tongue once, but I got electrocuted.
#41 Feb 11 2007 at 8:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Edited, Apr 20th 2007 5:48am by Douglis
#42 Feb 11 2007 at 8:33 PM Rating: Decent
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How about forcing all girls to wear uniforms with skirts?

Well, in the local school district, the only way to do that is to require skirts for all students, otherwise the girls could wear the guys' uniform. Things have to be equal among people of the same social level, teachers can wheel in tv because it aids in teaching, teachers have more options because they are more trusted, also they have more at risk so if they mess around, they have more serious consequences.
#43 Feb 11 2007 at 8:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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Luignata wrote:
Wow, from the overwhelming response that the teachers are doing nothing wrong, it's clearly obvious that the majority of the forum users do not have any kids. Which is not a big surprise, they spend their entire lives on a computer playing a video game.
Who said that? Monx asked if cell phones should be banned from classrooms. Regardless of the actions of the teacher, my answer is yes. My "yes" has nothing to do with the videos in the OP.

And my son is doing swimmingly in school Smiley: smile
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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#44 Feb 11 2007 at 9:17 PM Rating: Default
ZinZin wrote:
I stated 3 premises that basically categorize why the cell phone is an object that causes a distraction which is inappropriate for a classroom setting.


What would Socrates say? ;;

ZinZin wrote:
I wrote earlier that a cellphone is an inefficient means for learning and it distracts people that is why it has no place in the classroom. All you can come back is with questions that inaccurately pin point the use of my mouth, talking and eating. Where is the assertion? I'm not understanding your point.


Ohh, I'm barely warmed up. Here's a new one for you. By banning cell phones you are committing a crime of child endangerment. If the local trench coat mafia clique starts shooting up the school halls, how are you going to get to the "approrpiately" located school phones to call the police? You need multi-million dollar lawsuits to get you to change your fire hazard policies of locking all exit doors with chains so as to prevent inappropriate use of the distracting outdoors during school hours? How about windows in schools? Should windows be banned before cell phones?

Makaro the Mundane wrote:
I tried to text message with my tongue once, but I got electrocuted.


And I started my car by voice text command. I control the Spirits!

#45 Feb 11 2007 at 9:25 PM Rating: Default
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Well, in the local school district, the only way to do that is to require skirts for all students,


Kilts ftw! Next policy question: must the legs be cleanly shaven or do we go with chicks with hairy legs? Hawt, very hawt!
#46 Feb 11 2007 at 10:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Who said that? Monx asked if cell phones should be banned from classrooms. Regardless of the actions of the teacher, my answer is yes. My "yes" has nothing to do with the videos in the OP.

And my son is doing swimmingly in school :)


Hmmm, yea I suppose. I guess I missed the part about banning cell phones in school and assumed the thread was about what to do with teachers like this. After rereading the post... I wonder where the hell I got that this thread was about the teachers and their actions.

I couldn't care less about wether cell phones are allowed, or banned, but the teachers in these videos.. they've got problems. I'd fire their asses if I was their boss.

Edited, Feb 11th 2007 10:18pm by Luignata
#47 Feb 12 2007 at 12:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Edited, Apr 20th 2007 5:49am by Douglis
#48 Feb 12 2007 at 6:36 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm bored at work so I'm going to respond:

Mr. Ideologically H. Bankrupt wrote:
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Banning cell phones feels like banning eyes and ears in an attempt to hide truth.

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I could see angry teachers becoming the next Girls Gone Wild.

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No. So what if instead of recording with their minds they record with tech devices?

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But nonetheless, the public school system is a good example of a military Spartanesque society. They tell you where and when and what and how to do.

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Isn't banning cell phones indicative of a culture of suppression and military training?


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By banning cell phones you are committing a crime of child endangerment.


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And the whole class loved it as I annihilated them all with my super power sound effect artillery machinery!

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I was a Prophet teaching the class even back then.

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How about windows in schools? Should windows be banned before cell phones?

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The cell phone is no different than a pen.

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Maybe "proper" cell phone use should be part of the curriculum the same way handwriting is?

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What do you use your mouth for? To talk and eat and make out and text message and on and on. What do you use your hands for? To talk and write and text message and on and on.

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Omg lawl! Are you the inventor of the Dewey Decimal System?/Does that include vibrators, vibrators on phizones you pervs? :P



What would Socrates say?

Zomg plz stfu!1111!!!!!

No really, I think he would ask you to go take a fresh breath of air, sit down and think about what you wrote since you never thought about it before you wrote it. BTW I'm thinking of putting one of these quotes in my sig.
#49 Feb 12 2007 at 6:42 AM Rating: Default
Wow ZinZin I really got under your skin, huh? You're wise to take extensive notes on my writings and /quote for all posterity to learn.
#50 Feb 12 2007 at 6:47 AM Rating: Decent
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No, seriously I like you. Read what I wrote on this thread.
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=28;mid=1171245754277115456;page=1#1171291634205089621
#51 Feb 12 2007 at 6:55 AM Rating: Good
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ZinZin wrote:
No, seriously I like you. Read what I wrote on this thread.
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=28;mid=1171245754277115456;page=1#1171291634205089621
Could one of you turds explain this to me? Serious, wtf is the big deal about coming to the big bad Asylum and then running back to the sandbox to tell all of your **** e-friends about how you came and poked the hornets' nest? And good job picking on the retarded one that just sort of buzzes around the lamp by the nest making a lot of noise but never stinging anyone...cunt.

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Gotdamn I f'ucking hate you people.

Edited, Feb 12th 2007 9:56am by Jacobsdeception
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