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#1 Feb 11 2007 at 2:35 PM Rating: Sub-Default
http://news.netscape.com/story/2007/02/09/-hidden-camera-kids-film-teachers-for-youtube

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Hidden Camera: Kids Film Teachers for YouTube

News – If you type the words "angry teacher" into the search function on YouTube, you'll find video clips of teachers telling kids to stand quietly, "shut up" and modify their behavior.Dozens of students produce video clips for posting on the Internet. They're potentially violating the privacy of their teachers.


Gotta <3 the age of the internet. Think posting this kind of stuff motivates positive change in the long term? Or should teachers and schools be allowed to ban cell phones and cell videos?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymBz1pwSEnw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hut3VRL5XRE






Edited, Feb 11th 2007 5:40pm by MonxDoT
#2 Feb 11 2007 at 2:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Think posting this kind of stuff motivates positive change in the long term? Or should teachers and schools be allowed to ban cell phones and cell videos?
Cell phones should be banned in the classroom regardless, not because of these incidents. So (B), but not for reasons of (A).
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#4 Feb 11 2007 at 3:55 PM Rating: Decent
I think they should be given the ability to beat the little sh*ts. People wonder why kids (like the first vid)have sh*tty grades. If someone had beat the sh*t out of me I would have stayed in the G.A.T.E. program instead of zoning out in front of the tube when I was supposed to do my assignment.

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Edited, Feb 11th 2007 6:56pm by Doug
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hut3VRL5XRE


Good on that prof for doing that. Too many times I've sat in class and the person behind me is talking on her cel phone.

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#6REDACTED, Posted: Feb 11 2007 at 4:01 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Banning cell phones feels like banning eyes and ears in an attempt to hide truth. Sure, you can ban cell phone ringing distractions. But don't you have a right though to record or photograph whatever you want?
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But don't you have a right though to record or photograph whatever you want?
No. What gave you that idea?
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#8REDACTED, Posted: Feb 11 2007 at 4:14 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) What gave me that idea? To start. The paparazzi. Freedom of the Press. Can you forcibly gouge someone's eyes to prevent them from seeing, or cut off their ears to prevent them from hearing? No. So what if instead of recording with their minds they record with tech devices? What's the difference?
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The school is given power in loco parentis over the children while they are on school grounds. They have the power to make standards of conduct within the school, even those which potentially infringe upon the same "rights" as the student would enjoy at home. Thus, schools may create dress codes, disallow students from shouting in the hallways, prohibit them from wandering freely and make rules barring the use of electronic devices (which would be nothing new).

The reasons to prohibit the use of phones in the classroom are largely the same as the rules prohibiting Walkmans and portable video games and whatever other distraction coupled with the potential for cheating. If the parents need to contact their offspring, they're welcome to call the front office phone, as parents have been doing since the early part of the 20th century.
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they record with tech devices? What's the difference?
Tech devices.

Edited, Feb 11th 2007 4:16pm by Jophiel
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#10REDACTED, Posted: Feb 11 2007 at 4:36 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I find the Star Spangled Banner playing on the classroom tv as the back ground music filme noire of the highest caliber. Stuff master directors dream of capturing. In loco parentis. What a great term! It just sizzles off the tongue.
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Of course the schools have the obligation to enforce basic standards of conduct. But where are the lines?
Electronic devices. The same as they have been since, oh, the 1970's or so when handheld consumer electronics were commercially available.
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Shouldn't every classroom have video and open access on the internet, to at least password protected access to the parents and administrators involved?
Perhaps. It might even be a good idea though I doubt it's the best way to spend money. But that's neither here nor there towards allowing cell phones in the classroom. I'm not debating accountability, I'm saying that small distracting electronics generally are, and should be, banned from the class. Which includes cellphones, with camera or sans.

Edited, Feb 11th 2007 4:44pm by Jophiel
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#12REDACTED, Posted: Feb 11 2007 at 4:46 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Sure, I understand why such banning were originally created. But hasn't technology now evolved to the point where banning it is as silly as banning paper and pens, or trapper keeper notebooks, or backpacks, in the classroom?
#13 Feb 11 2007 at 4:46 PM Rating: Decent
The second one is a blatant fake. First one probably is too.
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But hasn't technology now evolved to the point where banning it is as silly as banning paper and pens, or trapper keeper notebooks, or backpacks, in the classroom?
No. In fact, technology has made them even more of a distraction since, instead of merely making a phone call during class, one can now text message, play video games, access the internet, listen to MP3's and, yes, take covert photographs and videos.
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Just because it's "an electronic device" it's somehow uniquely deserving of banning?
No. Lots of distracting things are generally disallowed in class.
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#15REDACTED, Posted: Feb 11 2007 at 4:53 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You sure? Got any links to articles dicrediting them as fake? If so, the mainstream media was hoodwinked, as both those videos have been shown as news segments on tv. I also heard one of those teachers took a stress related leave of absence. No word if they are entering rehab.
#16 Feb 11 2007 at 5:02 PM Rating: Decent
Generation Y for the loss.. Seriously, we should just beat them all with rattan canes systematically. This is idiocracy at its finest.

Frankly, if the professor wanted to kick them out of class thats fine with me. That guys lucky I didnt get his cell phone.. I would have dismantled it right in front of him.
#17REDACTED, Posted: Feb 11 2007 at 5:04 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Minds, pens, paper, are and can be just as distracting as anything else. Isn't banning cell phones indicative of a culture of suppression and military training? I'd be curious as to what the American Civil Liberties Union's take on cell phones in schools is. If you're being verbally abused by a teacher, don't you have a right to record that evidence? If you're at school to learn don't you have a right to the most efficient form of educational materials you provide yourself? If a disabled student was unable to take notes, would it be a violation of their rights to prevent them from video recording lectures?
#18 Feb 11 2007 at 5:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Matjlav wrote:
The second one is a blatant fake. First one probably is too.


You sure? Got any links to articles dicrediting them as fake? If so, the mainstream media was hoodwinked, as both those videos have been shown as news segments on tv. I also heard one of those teachers took a stress related leave of absence. No word if they are entering rehab.


I don't need news articles to discredit the videos, because all the evidence points to it being fake. You're the one that needs to show me articles.

Why was the lecture being filmed in the first place? Why was the camera focused on the guy talking prior to the teacher shifting his attention? The whole thing was clearly staged.

I suppose this could theoretically have all been part of a plot by the students to expose the professor's improper punishments. But that's pretty implausible. Why would students waste money to buy a, from what I can see, decent-quality cellphone? To expose a punishment that they can avoid by just not being dickheads?

Why was there no reaction whatsoever on the part of any of the students? You'd think that if it was real, the offending student would say something in protest, and even if he didn't, you'd hear a quiet reaction from the rest of the students (an "ooh" or something, or just a quiet stir).

Not to mention, no professor would be stupid enough to risk his job and any future jobs doing something like that. The fact that he doesn't look any older than the students doesn't do much for your case either.
#19REDACTED, Posted: Feb 11 2007 at 5:17 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Maybe he's a grad student working on his PhD while teaching? There's tons of examples of teachers doing stupid things, from having sex with underage students to ... smashing cell phones on the floor that interrupt class.
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Minds, pens, paper, are and can be just as distracting as anything else.
That's right. And cars kill people so we should ban cars! Smiley: rolleyes
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Isn't banning cell phones indicative of a culture of suppression and military training?
No.
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I'd be curious as to what the American Civil Liberties Union's take on cell phones in schools is.
Let me know what they tell you.
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If you're being verbally abused by a teacher, don't you have a right to record that evidence?
Maybe, maybe not. Ask the school what their policy on reporting teachers is.
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If you're at school to learn don't you have a right to the most efficient form of educational materials you provide yourself?
Not really, no.
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If a disabled student was unable to take notes, would it be a violation of their rights to prevent them from video recording lectures?
They'd almost certainly be allowed to under IDEA. And the instructor would be notified and it'd be done via video camera rather than cellphone under the desk. Which of the students making the linked videos was disabled?

Edited, Feb 11th 2007 5:22pm by Jophiel
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#21 Feb 11 2007 at 5:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Minds, pens, paper, are and can be just as distracting as anything else. Isn't banning cell phones indicative of a culture of suppression and military training?


Lets be practical. You need your "Mind" "Pen" and "Paper" to do your work in class. What you don't need is a "cell phone." Get it? My question for you is this, why do you consider such restrictions that foster discipline or "military training" characteristic of a "culture of suppression."

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I'd be curious as to what the American Civil Liberties Union's take on cell phones in schools is.


Why are you curious? You know where they stand. They oppose it, like they oppose restrictions on lunatics who carry signs calling our deceased soldiers terrible names during their funeral. Yes they are standing there at the actual burial...

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If you're being verbally abused by a teacher, don't you have a right to record that evidence?


Sure you do. I agree with your suggestion earlier to have cameras put into the classrooms of all teachers.

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If you're at school to learn don't you have a right to the most efficient form of educational materials you provide yourself?


Yes, you stated most of those materials earlier... your mind, pen and a sheet of paper.

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If a disabled student was unable to take notes, would it be a violation of their rights to prevent them from video recording lectures?


Once again lets be practical. I'm sure there will be exceptions for those kids because of their disability.



Edited, Feb 11th 2007 7:31pm by ZinZin
#22REDACTED, Posted: Feb 11 2007 at 5:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well if you're preventing students from using the most efficient educational tools they may have access to, isn't that an admission that schools are hindering the education of students? Is that not basis upon which to ban the public school system, or any administrators they may enforce cell phone bans? You can capture video and audio with your mind but not with your cell phone? That sounds like unnecessary offensive action to me. That sounds suspiciously similar to arguments employed by the RIAA about copyright.
#23 Feb 11 2007 at 5:53 PM Rating: Good
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Cellphones should be on low vibrate or silent during class. Unless there's an actual emergency there's no good reason to use them.

Other electronic devices however, have a good reason for some. Some people, like myself, are actually able to concentrate in class and on the teacher better if listening to music at a low volume. The problem mainly lies in the fact that there would be way too many people abusing the system and lieing their asses off. The use of electronics could possibly bargained with through parents and school officials if it really helped the student a lot. But for the most part; too bad if you don't get what you want.

If you want to do something that you're not allowed to, at least go through the proper methods to get it recognised before blatently breaking the rules.

Can someone also answer this question for me: If I remember correctly, recording someone is allowed as long as you are not recording sound. Is this true or am I just thinking of a show/movie that made this up?
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#24 Feb 11 2007 at 5:53 PM Rating: Decent
Normally I just lurk in the Asylum for entertainment, but this is just too amusing to pass up.

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Well if you're preventing students from using the most efficient educational tools they may have access to, isn't that an admission that schools are hindering the education of students?


Because cell phones are essential to cultivating learning, I know. The only thing they are more efficient at being in the classroom is distracting and cheating.

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Is that not basis upon which to ban the public school system, or any administrators they may enforce cell phone bans?


No. It actually detracts from learning, since it is a distraction. Which is better for learning: a student taking notes, or a student texting, calling, and taking videos on their phone?

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But do tell the basis upon which students can be prevented from recording whatever they want to with their own personal property and it's an easy slippery slope to applying those same basises to the Press.


The school can make up it's own rules about talking in class and badmouthing a teacher; they can certainly ban the use of phones in class. And what does not allowing cell phones during class have to do with freedom of the press? You're taking an issue that is decided privately by each school and applying it like it's a government restriction on national entities, which is absurd.

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Cell phones are multi-functional, and may be the only means by which some now know what time it is (read a WSJ article about watch makers complaining about generational changes hindering their business with the youth market). Isn't that a distraction every time someone looks at their watch or any of the many school clocks? Cell phones can now even be worn as watches. Why not ban even those old electronic device wrist watches by which students tell time?


You can keep a phone in your pocket or bookbag and glance at it when you need the time, provided it's on vibrate and will not distract you or others. Comparing a watch to something that makes and receives calls, has noises, takes and plays audio and video, and plays games is, again, absurd.
#25 Feb 11 2007 at 6:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Well if you're preventing students from using the most efficient educational tools they may have access to, isn't that an admission that schools are hindering the education of students?


To affirm that belief, you would have to agree that in order for kids to have a successful education, you need the "most efficient educational tools". I disagree. Ask home schooled kids. They have access to teachers with a bachelor's degree, but there is no evidence that they are worst off education-wise, from children put through public schools, schooled by degree carrying teachers.

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You can capture video and audio with your mind but not with your cell phone? That sounds like unnecessary offensive action to me.


Your mind can't record all the details, why do you keep making this comparison? Define what is unnecessary about action taken to limit distractions in class via the use of objects not needed for education.

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Isn't that a distraction every time someone looks at their watch or any of the many school clocks? Cell phones can now even be worn as watches. Why not ban even those old electronic device wrist watches by which students tell time?


You're right the clock is a distraction. In class I ignored my teacher and stared at the clock. Question: Is your mind distracting anyone else?
#26REDACTED, Posted: Feb 11 2007 at 6:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) In second grade the teacher punished me by making me get up in front of the class and make airplane bombing and explosion noises. I would come back in from recess with the other students and had been repeatedly warned to cut the noises before returning in the door from the playground school grounds area. So I got up there and it was awesome. Air plane noises with my arms extended like wings. Machine gun noises. Bomb explosion noises. For a good couple minutes. And the whole class loved it as I annihilated them all with my super power sound effect artillery machinery! I was a Prophet teaching the class even back then. How awesome it would've been to have that up on youtube!
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