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#1 Feb 09 2007 at 1:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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For the purposes of this argument, by duelling, I mean:
Both parties confirm their consent in writing before witnesses, and whether the outcome is 'first blood' or death, they accept the outcome without redress.
Sword or single shot pistol (Uzi's or RPG's would be a tad unsporting)

Should 2 adult people be legally allowed to duel to the death?
Yes:85 (69.7%)
No:21 (17.2%)
Stupid fUcking polls!:16 (13.1%)
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#2 Feb 09 2007 at 2:05 PM Rating: Good
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Because dying is against the law, unless it's an accident. I think it'd be a great idea. Bring back the Gladiatorial games, I say!
#3 Feb 09 2007 at 2:58 PM Rating: Good
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Not unless they clear out the surrounding vicinity. Last thing I need is to ruin my gangsta cred by being offed by two pansies in some mincing firearm-slapfight.
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They really should bring that back. But can you imagine how many people would be dueling politicians then?
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#5 Feb 09 2007 at 10:34 PM Rating: Good
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#6 Feb 09 2007 at 11:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Autonomy vs. Morality of Killing.

Autonomy wins in this case.
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#7 Feb 10 2007 at 12:10 AM Rating: Decent
I challege the president to a duel.. lol he nukes the dude's house.
#8 Feb 10 2007 at 12:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Demea wrote:
Autonomy vs. Morality of Killing.

Autonomy wins in this case.


How so?
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#9 Feb 10 2007 at 8:07 AM Rating: Decent
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I would think that there would have to be clear cut rules to this, but I'm all for it. I'd take our firearms though. Make people learn how to use a proper gentlemans weapon, a sword.

As for the women, give 'em knives, and mud. Charge $9.95 on Pay-per-view, and call it "family entertainment". Really, besides the knives, how much different is it from "professional wrestling"?
#10 Feb 10 2007 at 8:17 AM Rating: Decent
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I voted no. Mainly because I'd wield a sword about as well as a woman drives, and I'd probably be too nervous/scared to be able to efficiently hit something with a pistol. Therefore any duels I got challenged to I'd have to decline like a freakin' scaredy-cat and be ridiculed the rest of my days.
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#11 Feb 10 2007 at 8:22 AM Rating: Good
In Tennessee, Any person who participates in a duel may not hold any public office in the state.

Blue laws, FTW!
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Sogoro the Irrelevant wrote:
Demea wrote:
Autonomy vs. Morality of Killing.

Autonomy wins in this case.


How so?

Basically, the fact that both both participants are willing and accepting of the terms means that they are prepared to die, if it's a duel to the death. This acceptance exempts them from any kind of moral obligation not to kill. To say that killing is wrong is fairly universal, but if your opponent is prepared to die, then they have consciously waived their right to life.

The big question then becomes; do people have the right to disregard their own right to life? It's very similar to the euthanasia debate, although on different grounds. In the end, to deny someone the ability to decide what they do with their life is a violation of their basic right of autonomy.
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#13 Feb 10 2007 at 9:36 AM Rating: Good
Loss of future taxes paid & widow status for tax exemptions & social security benefits will forever make dueling unfortunately illegal.
#14 Feb 10 2007 at 12:23 PM Rating: Good
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I think it's illegal because honour is about as prevelant these days as snuff boxes.
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#15 Feb 10 2007 at 1:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Demea wrote:
Sogoro the Irrelevant wrote:
Demea wrote:
Autonomy vs. Morality of Killing.

Autonomy wins in this case.


How so?

Basically, the fact that both both participants are willing and accepting of the terms means that they are prepared to die, if it's a duel to the death. This acceptance exempts them from any kind of moral obligation not to kill. To say that killing is wrong is fairly universal, but if your opponent is prepared to die, then they have consciously waived their right to life.

The big question then becomes; do people have the right to disregard their own right to life? It's very similar to the euthanasia debate, although on different grounds. In the end, to deny someone the ability to decide what they do with their life is a violation of their basic right of autonomy.


This reminds me of Jet Li's Fearless. Good movie, ******* duel fights. I think the debate lies heavily on "is it morally right to allow people to fight to the death."

Boxing and whatnot are fights until someone goes unconcious, but they do have to sign a contract that says their life might be taken away.

When I go paint balling I've had to sign wavers saying that I might be killed and the field owner isn't liable for your death.

Theres many events, so to speak, where theres a chance of death where you have to sign off on.

I think another big issue is body disposal...Would the killer have to pay for it , would the state have to, or would the family of the deceased have to?

However, if this were legal, you would probably have to pay the government money to do so.
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#16 Feb 10 2007 at 4:49 PM Rating: Decent
At first, I voted "No" but then I realized that everyone who died in a duel would probably be an idiot. As I am all for measures to encourage idiots to kill themselves, now I wish I could change my vote back to "Yes."
#17 Feb 10 2007 at 6:14 PM Rating: Good
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People killing each other over honor isn't good economics.


That and it wasnt as heroic and noble as it is often made out to be. In a lot of cases people soiled themselves while dueling.
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#18 Feb 10 2007 at 6:36 PM Rating: Decent
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I really wouldn't call the act of dueling honorable but deferential.
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#19 Feb 10 2007 at 8:19 PM Rating: Good
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I was thinking mainly of the "take 10 paces" thing. i would see a lot of people nowadays just turning after 1 pace and shooting the other guy in the back.
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#20 Feb 10 2007 at 8:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Kelvyquayo the Irrelevant wrote:
I was thinking mainly of the "take 10 paces" thing. i would see a lot of people nowadays just turning after 1 pace and shooting the other guy in the back.


Pft guns...I rather see a sword fight to the death. That'd take more time, be more fun to watch and the possibility of them both dying from stab wounds.
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#23 Feb 11 2007 at 9:53 AM Rating: Decent
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As far as I know its still legal to duel with banjos in all 50 states. Even if you're not a lesbian.
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Kelvyquayo the Irrelevant wrote:
I was thinking mainly of the "take 10 paces" thing. i would see a lot of people nowadays just turning after 1 pace and shooting the other guy in the back.


Thats why your dueling judge is also armed. if he thinks that you violated the rules by turning early, He's honor bound to burn you down where you stand.
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#25 Feb 11 2007 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Kelvyquayo the Irrelevant wrote:
I was thinking mainly of the "take 10 paces" thing. i would see a lot of people nowadays just turning after 1 pace and shooting the other guy in the back.


Thats why your dueling judge is also armed. if he thinks that you violated the rules by turning early, He's honor bound to burn you down where you stand.


What if the dueling judge loses count of the paces? Would someone shoot the shooting judge?
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#26 Feb 11 2007 at 12:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yes, your second.
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