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#1 Feb 08 2007 at 8:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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No, not on your loved ones. The good, old-fashion, crib note kind.

Did you ever do it? Or, if you're in school, do you? Answers up your sleeve, on your shoe, papers copied from other sources and, in this day and age, stored in your cellphone or beamed in from outside associates?

From what I understand, covert use of electronics for cheating is a fairly consistant problem and as the stuff gets cheaper, smaller and more sophisticated, the obvious question is how to stop it. Teachers roaming the aisles? Exams based more on essay style responses than simple fact retrieval? Building a Faraday cage into the classrooms? I recently took an Astronomy exam where the professor's solution was to allow an open-book, open-note policy (negating the value of cheating) but giving so many questions in a short time frame that researching each question on the spot was completely impractical. I've always been a quick test taker so it was no big shakes for me, but I could easily see how such a practice would frustrate some students.

I know a lot of you are more recently out of high school and are full-time college students so I was curious if anyone had insight to what was going on in their own experience.
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#2 Feb 08 2007 at 8:52 AM Rating: Good
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Back in High School I programmed math notes into my calculator. Nothing too big, just a couple of formulas.

When I hit college they gave us the formulas anyways so I never really had to learn them.
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#3 Feb 08 2007 at 8:54 AM Rating: Good
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Back in High School I programmed math notes into my calculator. Nothing too big, just a couple of formulas.

When I hit college they gave us the formulas anyways so I never really had to learn them.
I thought that was what you were supposed to do. Knowing what formulas to use in what case was usually the kicker.
#4 Feb 08 2007 at 8:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Never had to, being a super genius and all. I heard Wile E Coyote once brought an extra rocket booster going beyond the agreed upon number of 60, but that's just a rumor.

Frankly academic institutions should really encourage cheating. The goal is to create people who function well in capitalism, isn't it?
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#5 Feb 08 2007 at 8:57 AM Rating: Good
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Frankly academic institutions should really encourage cheating. The goal is to create people who function well in capitalism, isn't it?
That's not cheating, that's "resourcefulness". Smiley: sly
#6 Feb 08 2007 at 8:58 AM Rating: Good
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Elderon wrote:
Iamadam wrote:
Back in High School I programmed math notes into my calculator. Nothing too big, just a couple of formulas.

When I hit college they gave us the formulas anyways so I never really had to learn them.
I thought that was what you were supposed to do. Knowing what formulas to use in what case was usually the kicker.


They gave us formula sheets, but they were always incomplete. The teachers made us aware of the formulas to memorize ahead of time. I just got smartlazy and decided that memorizing these things was a waste of time.

Turns out I was right.
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#7 Feb 08 2007 at 8:59 AM Rating: Good
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I always did well enough and studied enough that I was never tempted to cheat.

I do remember that my 2nd year English Lit course in university a group of 3-5 students were busted for plagiarizing. Basically they figured that copy pasted small portions of text from multiple sites/sources with minor edits would be enough to fool the prof and her aides. Didn't work. The kids failed the course and were put on academic probation. They were basically told that if at any time they were busted for plagiarism again, even in the smallest case that they would be booted from the university, have all their credits revoked and would be blackballed by all Canadian universities, nationwide.

Serious stuff, not empty threats. To lose years worth of effort and money put into post secondary and get pretty much thrown out of the halls of academia when you could just do the required reading doesnt make sense to me.
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#8 Feb 08 2007 at 9:02 AM Rating: Good
I once cheated in a drama class back in high school by getting really drunk before a monologue. I was spectacular, and then I threw up.

Edited, Feb 8th 2007 9:03am by Barkingturtle
#9 Feb 08 2007 at 9:07 AM Rating: Good
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I once cheated on a chemistry test in college in that I helped a hot girl sittign next to me copy my answers for the final. I saw her again a few weeks later at a party when she was tipsy and she paid me back very sweetly. I did feel bad about the cheating part, but overall I would do it again, she was hot.
#10 Feb 08 2007 at 9:08 AM Rating: Good
In the broadest sense of the term "cheating", in college (Electronics and Electrical Engineering), we had assignments that we had to hand in at our weekly labs that were precursors to understanding what the lab was going to be all about. Most of the class would copy the assignments off of one or two guys that actually did the work. This was usually done in the minutes before class before the prof came in. In that case almost everyone in the class cheated, but what it boiled down to was the school was most interested in putting a process in place that made sure the students learned the material. Come the lab test time, you could see that many of the guys didn't have any idea on what to do correctly. When building a simple rectifier for the one problem, one guy even blew his caps making the room stink.

In my case, I copied almost every single lab sheet from some other guy, simply because the night before was always pub night and I worked all the time, so I didn't have time to fill it in. I aced all the testing though because the material because it was basically all a review of what I had been doing for years anyway.

I feel that if you know the entire course material, you should be able to just opt for the exam rather than be forced to attend the damn classes and do the craptastic assignments.
#11 Feb 08 2007 at 9:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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I cheated for other people in highschool, but never for myself. Well, I deliberately did poorly on a placement test once, but that was kinda *reverse* cheating I guess.

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#12 Feb 08 2007 at 9:26 AM Rating: Good
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I cheated for other people in highschool, but never for myself. Well, I deliberately did poorly on a placement test once, but that was kinda *reverse* cheating I guess.

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#13 Feb 08 2007 at 9:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Remember the "Growing Pains" where Mike is going to cheat on his test and so he writes all the answers on his shoes but, in doing so, he memorizes the answers and doesn't need to cheat but he's caught with the shoes and they all think he cheated and then the teacher lets him re-take the test in his underwear?

Yeah. Think about it.
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#14 Feb 08 2007 at 9:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Physics was the one subject that absolutely killed me, so I did write some mini notes once and roll them up into my pen.

And now that I think about it I do recall writing some Japanese characters on my thighs too. I was a pretty crappy student in high school, but didn't cheat on a regular basis, probably those two times I mentioned when I did absolutely nothing to prepare. Back then the electronic of the time was a pager, hardly a cheat device. :)
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#15 Feb 08 2007 at 9:30 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah I cheated at school once or twice. Lesson learned: cheaters really do win.

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#16 Feb 08 2007 at 9:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Remember the "Growing Pains" where Mike is going to cheat on his test and so he writes all the answers on his shoes but, in doing so, he memorizes the answers and doesn't need to cheat but he's caught with the shoes and they all think he cheated and then the teacher lets him re-take the test in his underwear?

Yeah. Think about it.


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#17 Feb 08 2007 at 9:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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I suppose the connected question is regarding the value of rote memorization in the first place vs. constructing facts into concepts. Is it equally important (or at least, enough so to test on) to name the date Columbus arrived at the New World and the names of his ships or is it enough to be able to explain why it was important in the grand scheme of things that he did arrive at some point in the late 13th century?
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#18 Feb 08 2007 at 9:39 AM Rating: Good
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Remember the "Growing Pains" where Mike is going to cheat on his test and so he writes all the answers on his shoes but, in doing so, he memorizes the answers and doesn't need to cheat but he's caught with the shoes and they all think he cheated and then the teacher lets him re-take the test in his underwear?

Yeah. Think about it.


Alan Thicke really wanted to see Kirk Cameron in his underwear.

#19 Feb 08 2007 at 9:45 AM Rating: Good
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Never cheated as such, but past the age of 16 most of my subjects were languages, literature and the arts.

On more than one occasion I achieved A grades writing about books or plays I'd never actually read. BullShit FTW!
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#20 Feb 08 2007 at 10:15 AM Rating: Good
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I never really cheated in an academic setting. I think a couple of times I let someone copy off my paper, but never more than a third or so, just so they wouldn't fail. In college, I was the only one of my friends who would study and I used to go over key concepts in the car with them until I realized they were out partying and I was the only one working. After that, I just told them I didn't remember and hoped I could get by on the multiple choice.
#21 Feb 08 2007 at 10:16 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
I suppose the connected question is regarding the value of rote memorization in the first place vs. constructing facts into concepts. Is it equally important (or at least, enough so to test on) to name the date Columbus arrived at the New World and the names of his ships or is it enough to be able to explain why it was important in the grand scheme of things that he did arrive at some point in the late 13th century?
School here was quite the shocker for me. In Peru EVERYTHING was rote memorization. Good prep for law school, I suppose, but it didn't teach you to think very creatively.
#22 Feb 08 2007 at 10:21 AM Rating: Good
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I actually did well enough that I never really thought of it.

Although my indifference still lt my grades drop.. i would usually finish the work while the teacher was still giving instructions for it; then pass it around the room and fall asleep..

I was the guy the delinquents copied off of.
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#23 Feb 08 2007 at 10:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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Never really needed to. The closest I can remember is faking a tummy ache to finish a history paper I'd slacked off on.

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#24 Feb 08 2007 at 10:40 AM Rating: Good
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Actually.. more recently in TechSchool me and a few others had setup a PCAnywhere type program on the machine of the woman who actually did her work and we sat there watching her go through the steps in the lesson rather than do it ourselves Smiley: oyvey that was just a few years ago
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#25 Feb 08 2007 at 10:41 AM Rating: Good
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Actually.. more recently in TechSchool me and a few others had setup a PCAnywhere type program on the machine of the woman who actually did her work and we sat there watching her go through the steps in the lesson rather than do it ourselves Smiley: oyvey that was just a few years ago
+1 for creative use of technology!
#26 Feb 08 2007 at 10:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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Samira wrote:
Never really needed to. The closest I can remember is faking a tummy ache to finish a history paper I'd slacked off on.


Oh I did that a lot. Well, first I'd pray for a snow day, then become ill on the day it was due should the weather not be cooperative.

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