We're melting, we're meltingFollow

This thread is amazing in its similarity to the worldwide Global Warming debate that is taking place.

2 differing views.

Both of them with points of merit.

Yes, of course man is having an impact on the environment. We are ineficiently and short-sightedly burning fossil fuels, for power, in our cars, in our homes.

Everything we make, is made of plastic. Everything we buy is carried home, wrapped in 3 layers of plastic that we then put in a plastic bag and then dump in a landfill.

Plastic plastic plastic.

Our diet is making us sicker and fatter. Or sicker and thinner depending on where we live. Our diet is also making the world sicker, due to unsustainable farming, especially of animals.

We endlessly argue wether global warming is caused by humans. The same humans who fly around the world in giant aeroplanes to place like Kyoto, and eat bits of dead animal served on plastic trays, while discussing if, in fact GW is something we should be confronting.


On the other hand, the planets been here a long time, and will continue to be here for a long time.

Sure, we probably are contributing to GW. But to decide that man-made GW is the greatest threat to our existance, and then spend the next thirty years arguing about it, is pretty self-defeating.

If we stopped producing CO2 today would it have an effect on the climate?

Maybe. Maybe not.

If we stopped destroying our forests for meat production,

or polluting our rivers and oceans with chemicals and runoff from our agricultural practices,

or wrapping every damn thing we buy in 5 layers of plastic,

then these things would absolutely, 100% definately have an immediate impact on the quality of life and the health of the environment.


But is anyone seriously discussing a drive to get people away from a 7 days a week meat based diet? No.

Changing farming practices that would actually work in tandem with the environment? No.

How many people do you know who refuse to take home the packaging from their new purchase, insisting instead that the shop deals with it?

Why? because 'how can eating a $2 burger be a problem, when we all gonna die from global warming?'

'Global warming is the problem, what difference is it gonna make if I throw my organic kitchen waste into a plastic bag and allow it to be buried in a landfill for the next 10,000 years?'

Like I have said before. I'm not convinced that mans contributon to the climate change that we are experiencing is quite as large as is being predicted. the figures are always changing. What I do know for sure, is that the more time we spend flagellating ourselves with studies and opinions, the less time we are spending actually doing something to genuinly improve our planet.

It can't be denied that a huge 'industry' has been created by environmentaly concerned groups and individuals. They have an interest in maintaining that industry. Its their paycheck, after all. But if we sit around waiting for 'them' to tell us what to do, I fear we will have long before succumbed to a reality that consists of wading knee-deep thru plastic packaging, eating sick food from a sick farm, that is making us and our kids sick. Unable to swim in toxic seas and rivers and struggling to breathe the chemically polluted air.

Time for discussion is over. The world is in need of care and respect. We already know this.

So, we are 90% 'sure' that Humans are having an effect on the climate! fair enuff!

I'm just trying to point out that we can be 100% 'sure' that we eat sh'it, we farm sh'it and we dump our sh'it anywhere we please.

Dealing with the 100% 'for sures' first, would be a step in the right direction, rather than the present situation, where we are all sittin around arguing as to wether 'we' are the cause of the planets sickness or weather its all natural after all.

Concrete proof that I ride a bike? You want pictures of my ultra-toned, rigidly muscular quads and buttocks?

I'll see what I can do.

Since when are the two mutually exclusive? Seriously, what kind of weak *** argument is this?

<insert Brokeback mountain joke here>

I took the one tonne challenge and I passed! Now that I am some sort of puritanical environmentalist that is unapproachable by your ad homimen attack will my position somehow hold more merit?


No BT, it is not a challenge to sleep with a 1,000kg of women!

Nah Jeff posts over in the WoW forums on a semi regular basis. Where he is usually held with equal disregard.

I'll argue about it as long as I please, fuCkslap. How, exactly, do you propose to stop me?

Or it could be because it's irrelevant to the topic.

Wait! "Just as I thought. When you know you've got nothing actually scientific in your corner, you resort to a logical fallacy to hide your lack of data."

Oh boy! I win!Magnets.

And you're "pointing it out", as you're pleased to phrase it, with absolutely no evidence. Much like the rest of your posts here.

WTF, they called out the tard brigade to back them up.