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#102REDACTED, Posted: Feb 02 2007 at 7:00 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Atomicflea,
#103 Feb 02 2007 at 7:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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It wouldn't be "storybook" if he was white, now would it?
Well, no. Mainly because we currently have fourty-three stories about white dudes becoming president.

He's not saying that it's amazing that there's a black guy who is actually well-spoken and smart. He's saying that Obama is a black guy who has a chance at the office because he's well-spoken and smart. And that the idea of this smart, "clean", articulate black guy becoming president is "storybook" material. Which it is. I'm sure that, all over America, black kids get told that they have a "chance" to be president but no one has actually done it yet.

I'm sure that Biden could have phrased it better but the way it's been reported (and quoted) has been terribly dishonest. It's funny that you and Gbaji keep saying "How come the media hasn't made more of this!?" when the entire story is, more or less, a media fabrication. Had the quote been presented as spoken instead of combining it all into one continuous line, it wouldn't have sounded nearly as damning and wouldn't have made for nearly as good a story.
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#104REDACTED, Posted: Feb 02 2007 at 7:13 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
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If it makes you feel better, I had no immediate plans to vote for Biden anyway


Good to see you on board with the Biden resignation crowd. I think you'd be well practiced at calling for the resignation of racist officials. We can't stand for that kind of intollerance, can we? Either way it's not like any of the liberals are going to allow, even a clean shaven one, monkey in the whitehouse. They did after all already have their first black president.

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Not sure what you're trying to say here, but we already have a chimp in the White House. That's more than enough Affirmative Action for me.

As for "imagine if Jeb Bush had said this!", well, that's not too hard to imagine at all. The members of the Bush family not currently in rehab tend to spend their days using their own feet as pacifiers.
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#106REDACTED, Posted: Feb 02 2007 at 7:18 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Samy,
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That was lame even by your low standards.

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#108 Feb 02 2007 at 7:48 AM Rating: Default
Jophiel wrote:
I'm sure that Biden could have phrased it better but the way it's been reported (and quoted) has been terribly dishonest. It's funny that you and Gbaji keep saying "How come the media hasn't made more of this!?" when the entire story is, more or less, a media fabrication. Had the quote been presented as spoken instead of combining it all into one continuous line, it wouldn't have sounded nearly as damning and wouldn't have made for nearly as good a story.


Are you kidding me? I first heard the audio quote before I searched for a news article. I've heard the audio quote multiple times. It sounds just as bad as it reads. A media "fabrication" lol? Biden said what he said, period. That's fact. It reads exactly as Biden said it.

Jophiel wrote:
He's not saying that it's amazing that there's a black guy who is actually well-spoken and smart. He's saying that Obama is a black guy who has a chance at the office because he's well-spoken and smart. And that the idea of this smart, "clean", articulate black guy becoming president is "storybook" material. Which it is. I'm sure that, all over America, black kids get told that they have a "chance" to be president but no one has actually done it yet.


Most are giving him a long leash in ascribing *maybe* that's what he meant to say. And that's a storybook long leash. :P Not what he actually said. He gaffed. He faux-pas'd. He stuck two feet in his mouth. I agree with you though that it's likely wrong to ascribe evil intent to Biden. But I do think what he said represents an underlying out of touch racist ignorance.
#109 Feb 02 2007 at 7:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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MonxDoT wrote:
It sounds just as bad as it reads.
*Shrug* Look, if you say so. It doesn't to me and the moment I heard it I wondered "WTF?" at the amount of attention it was getting.

You saying "It can only be seen as this!" doesn't actually change my opinion of what I thought when I heard it. I guess we just took it different ways on impact. But, in all sincerity, I failed to see what the big deal was after hearing the audio.
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#110 Feb 02 2007 at 10:59 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Well. Except that the offense wasn't against Obama, but against all black men who, unlke Obama, are *not* clean and articulate...
If there's a groundswell of anger in the black community against Biden, let me know, okay?


Um. Joph. Not to be obvious or anything, but how exactly do you expect myself or you (or anyone for that matter) to know if there is a "groudswell" of anger over this issue? Wouldn't we become aware of such a thing solely because it's reported on the news?

If no one polls anyone on it, how will we know? If no reporters run around the "black community" asking people how they feel, how will we know? More importantly, if they don't do those things and don't report them, will there even *be* a groundswell of anger?

Are you seriously naive enough to believe that how the mainstream media reports on something doesn't have a huge effect on how that thing is percieved by the masses? I'll repeat again. I still have not had time to really check up on how this has been reported, but I'll ask you (and anyone else who's interested): How is the coverage of this issue on ABC, CBS, and NBC? Are they hitting the issue over and over? Does it appear on their "teaser" leadins during commercial breaks? Do they have coverage consisting of angry black men pissed off about Bidden's statement? Or is it purely covering folks like Sharpton magically making him well by letting him interview with him? How many reporters are scouring the streets looking for and interviewing people upset with Biden's statement?


That's a critical difference. When the media does all of those things, it'll cause that "groundswell" you talked about, or at least make the public aware of it. If we don't know about one, is it because it doesn't exist? Or because it simply isn't being actively covered?...



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I haven't seen the coverage.
At least this time you openly admitted that you were talking out of your ***. That's a good start.


Hence why all my posts have contained predictions and speculation. Hence why I've simply been asking people to look at the media coverage and determine for themselves if it's been biased. I don't know yet. I'm simply predicting how I think it'll be covered (or not covered) based on past events. I could be wrong. I'd *love* to be wrong. But so far, I haven't seen you post anything saying "Oh yeah! NBC just ripped Biden a new one. They've got round the clock coverage of protests and calls for his resignation!!!".

So, not having seen any coverage yet, I'm kinda leaning towards "tepid" as the best description of how the media is treating this issue. Which would prove my prediction right. I'll check over the weekend and see. And heck! I did predict it would be pretty much gone from the mainstream by monday, so there's that as well...
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#111 Feb 02 2007 at 11:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
If no one polls anyone on it, how will we know? If no reporters run around the "black community" asking people how they feel, how will we know? More importantly, if they don't do those things and don't report them, will there even *be* a groundswell of anger?
So your theory here is that the media outlets would rather shelter someone who doesn't have a chance in hell of winning the presidency anyway and will pass on the sensationalistic, audience drawing and ratings earning "angry black man" stories to make sure that no one knows about Biden. Right.

Every media outlet I've seen ran stories on it. None of them were complimentry and, as I pointed out before, they all made the quote sound considerably more damning than it comes across in audio. Liberal media bias, I supppose.

As a hardly official bellweather, the "Letters" column in the local paper is pretty much silent on the issue. Both the print version and the webpage/electronic section which usually prints whatever moronic comments anyone with a keyboard cares to bang out.
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So, not having seen any coverage yet, I'm kinda leaning towards "tepid" as the best description of how the media is treating this issue. Which would prove my prediction right.
Of course. It's not possible that it's because no one really cared. No, it's because of liberal media bias. It's got to be. There's no other possible explanation at all.

Edited, Feb 2nd 2007 11:41pm by Jophiel
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