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#77 Feb 01 2007 at 1:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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This is supposed to make sense, right? Can someone fix this for me so that it's understandable?


Hard choice between "Who the fUck knows?" and, "Who the fUck cares?"
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#78 Feb 01 2007 at 1:26 PM Rating: Decent
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This is supposed to make sense, right? Can someone fix this for me so that it's understandable?


Hard choice between "Who the fUck knows?" and, "Who the fUck cares?"


LMAO
#79 Feb 01 2007 at 1:55 PM Rating: Good
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This is supposed to make sense, right?
Of course not, silly. He's one step above brain damage, that one.
#80 Feb 01 2007 at 2:57 PM Rating: Good
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#81 Feb 01 2007 at 3:01 PM Rating: Default
Thank you for keeping it articulate and clean. Now bark like a dog for me.

You'll also notice my post count is the the 1860s. A historoic time indeed! Four scores and seven replies ago ...

In 3 more posts I shall free the Asylumites, or smite them, haven't decided yet. :P

Edited, Feb 1st 2007 6:18pm by MonxDoT
#82 Feb 01 2007 at 5:30 PM Rating: Good
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It's more than an example of media bias. It's a glaring example of conscious ugly politically motivated hypocricy. This will do for the credibility of claims of racism what the Duke rape case is doing for the claims of rape victims. Don't you see the -99 Credibility hits everyone from Jesse Jackson, to the Daily Show, to the Congressional Black Caucus, to the Asylum is taking? Sometimes silence is louder than words. Bookmarked.

I didn't know Jesse Jackson, the CBC, or the Asylum were members of the media. I should get a byline for my work.

And last I checked, the Daily Show was a comedy.

#83 Feb 01 2007 at 5:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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And last I checked, the Daily Show was a comedy.


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#84 Feb 01 2007 at 5:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Taken from the Kerry/Troops-stuck-in-Iraq thread...
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He should have just apologized. Hell, even a "I'm sorry you got offended" apology would be better than "I did nothing! No man can make me apologize!"
Yeah. This was pretty much the impression I got out of all of this. He took a relatively minor statement which could have *easily* been repaired with something simple like: "Gee. I meant to make a joke about Bush. I botched it and it came out sounding like I was bashing the troops. I didn't mean it that way, and I appologize to anyone I may have offended".

But instead he went on a tirade with his "I will appologize to no-one!" bit. Holy "how to make things worse" Batman!
Of course, now Biden says he's sorry, he said something dumb that he didn't mean and he makes the rounds of making nice-nice with Obama, Sharpton, Jackson, et al and we have people saying "He apologized! That PROVES he meant what he said!!"


You're missing the point though. I wasn't trying to argue in any way for how the media should handle a situation like this. I was merely pointing out that the media handles them differently depending on *who* is involved.

I agree completely that the correct course of action is to admit that the words you used came out in a way you didn't intend, and then clarify what you *meant*. In Kerry's case, this would include clarifying that the statement referred to Bush, not to soldiers serving in Iraq. In Biden's case, this means clarifying that he was speaking of Obama in general, not specifically as a "black man", much less implying that his qualifications were somehow specifically lacking among black males.


The point isn't just about how the media reacts to situations like this, but *why* they react in a given manner, and to what degree they follow a story or drop it after a brief period of time. As has already been pointed out in this thread, past Republican politicians have been skewered for making statements far less directly offensive/derisive of a minority group. And those statements *never* left them politically. The media never dropped the issue, even months later.

It's too early to tell, but will be interesting to see if the same applies when it's a Democrate politician. Biden's statement would literally be career-ending if it were uttered by a Republican. Historically, Dems have been able to get away with stuff that would sink a Republican. I'm pretty sure this will be the case again here. If that's not hypocritical, I don't know what is...
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If that's the case here, it'll be because Obama et al have already spoken to Biden, understood him and agree that no harm was meant.

Are you saying that, despite all the parties involved being content with the resolution, you expect the media to continue to make a story out of it or else it shows some massive bias? Interesting.

If it makes you feel better, I'm sure that the pundits on FOX will keep bringing it up.
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#86 Feb 01 2007 at 7:01 PM Rating: Default
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And last I checked, the Daily Show was a comedy.


Indeed it is a comedy. And on the day of his racist remarks Biden is in the studio with Stewart laughing it up, specifically in regards to his racist "faux pas". Might as well be telling black jokes in the smoked filled boys clubhouse.

Three guys go into a bar, a Polish guy, a Mexican guy, and a black guy. The Polish guy says, "hey that bartender reminds me of Jesus. I'm gonna order a shot." The Mexican guys says, "oye I think joo right esse, tequila for me bartender!" The black guys says, "hey I could see that, count me in".

So they take turns doing rounds of shots. They all tip Jesus well and after about an hour Jesus comes over to the Polish guy and whispers, "I want to thank you for your generosity." The Polish guy exclaims, "It's a miracle! I was deaf in this ear for ten years and now the hearing is back!"

Jesus then walks over to the Mexican guy, puts his hand on the Mexican guy's shoulder and says, "I want to thank you for your generosity." The Mexican guy exclaims, "It's a miracle! I had a foundary injury and couldn't raise my right arm and now it's healed!"

Jesus then walks over to the black guy, and the black guy exclaims, "Don't touch me! I'm on Disability!"
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Indeed it is a comedy. And on the day of his racist remarks Biden is in the studio with Stewart laughing it up, specifically in regards to his racist "faux pas". Might as well be telling black jokes in the smoked filled boys clubhouse.
Are you implying that they let Jews into the clubhouse?
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#88 Feb 01 2007 at 7:30 PM Rating: Default
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Are you saying that, despite all the parties involved being content with the resolution, you expect the media to continue to make a story out of it or else it shows some massive bias?


Hell yes. It's just that the media was caught off guard. They were waiting for a conservative Republican to make some sort of remark that they could jump on to exclaim "Racist!", "We shall overcome!" during Obama's presidential bid.

There's more black people than the 1337 black politicians who have so far made themselves involved. When are we going to hear stories for weeks on end from the man in the street about how Joe Biden "hates black people"? Jesse Jackson uses the kiddie gloves, while on the other hand going full throttle against someone like Bill O'Reilly. Let's see the reaction the next time someone on the right makes a racist "faux pas", like calling Obama "boy". The thing is, I can't imagine someone saying anything more offensive than what Biden said unless they were to go into a N-word laced tirade. Mark Fuhrman (spelling just for you ;p) went through hell because he might have used the N-word in his past during the OJ trial. There's so many examples. I'll keep my eye out for a Thomas Sowell column.

Edit: Hell, the Republicans are "racists" for wanting immigration laws to be enforced. Protests galore for months all summer. Blah blah blah.

Edited, Feb 1st 2007 10:34pm by MonxDoT
#89 Feb 01 2007 at 7:59 PM Rating: Good
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If that's the case here, it'll be because Obama et al have already spoken to Biden, understood him and agree that no harm was meant.


Well. Except that the offense wasn't against Obama, but against all black men who, unlke Obama, are *not* clean and articulate...

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Are you saying that, despite all the parties involved being content with the resolution, you expect the media to continue to make a story out of it or else it shows some massive bias? Interesting.


No. I expect the media to be consistent in their behavior. It's never stopped the media before to raise the cause for a whole group of people (people who are *not* Obama, or Sharpton btw) and run with it for the sake of a good story (and to rile up those who they feel were slighted).

Was the "Macaca" story really about one guy offending one other guy? Or was it about some kind of underlying racism affecting a whole group of people? I'm pretty sure it was the later that made the story a "big deal", right?


I've been ridiculously busy lately, so I honestly haven't viewed any media coverage of this yet. So I'll ask: Is the mainstream media (CBS, ABC, NBC) pushing the "Biden thinks that all black men are dirty and inarticulate" angle? Are they using the story as an opportunity to point out other "gaffs" by leading Democrats that may indicate some kind of inherent underlying racism (as they did in at least two similar cases involving Republicans in recent years)? Are they vigorously covering the handul of people protesting over the issue, or ignoring them?


The media provides a key-hole view on the world and on public events. How they cover things can have a *huge* impact on how the public percieves an issue. Something as simple as going out on the street and finding and interviewing only a set of people with a particular reaction to the issue at hand can be huge in terms of public perception.

Again. I haven't seen the coverage. I've been so busy I've barely had time to do more then sleep at home lately. But I'll take a wild guess and predict that those networks are *not* going out of their way to hype the underlying implications of his statements, nor going out of their way to find the "man on the street" and cover the offense he's taken as a result. I could be wrong, of course. Heck. I'd *like* to be wrong on this. But historical trends of media coverage of issues like this is a good indicator that I'll be right.

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If it makes you feel better, I'm sure that the pundits on FOX will keep bringing it up.


I'm sure they will. But no one else will. That's the point...
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If that's the case here, it'll be because Obama et al have already spoken to Biden, understood him and agree that no harm was meant.
Well. Except that the offense wasn't against Obama, but against all black men who, unlke Obama, are *not* clean and articulate...
If there's a groundswell of anger in the black community against Biden, let me know, okay?
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I haven't seen the coverage.
At least this time you openly admitted that you were talking out of your ***. That's a good start.
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#91 Feb 02 2007 at 2:30 AM Rating: Decent
Anyone can make a clumsy mistake when they speak. Just look at your President. As long as they apologise for making a msitake, it's fine.

What matters is the intention behind. What Biden said might have sounded bad, but it's easy to tell that he didn't mean black people in general were dirty and couldn't speak.

When ex-KKK members make the same remark, it's obvious people will question the intention, the state of mind, behind the statement.

It's the same as Jewish jokes. When Jewish people tell them, it's bleeding obvious they're not advocating a return to Nazism. When people with a shaved head and a **** tatoo tell them, it's questionabel, eventhough the joke is the same.

What were you all Republicans expecting out of this story anyway? Prison? Biden admitting he was racist and thinks "Black people's hair smells funny"?

It's a storm in a tea-cup, as we say over here...
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#92 Feb 02 2007 at 3:33 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm sure they will. But no one else will. That's the point...


I couldn't agree more. The point is that Fox News is ludicrously partisan.

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#93 Feb 02 2007 at 5:12 AM Rating: Default
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The point is that Fox News is ludicrously partisan.


Truth is truth and fact is fact, no matter the source. If you want to pretend hawt Indian anchors on the BBC aren't partisan, go ahead. It doesn't change the way individual instances of news are variously covered. Competition is good. The point is still this:

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

It's just silly to say the coverage and reaction would be the same if a high ranking Republican had uttered those very same remarks.
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It's just silly to say the coverage and reaction would be the same if a high ranking Republican had uttered those very same remarks.


Of course it wouldn't be, Fox would defend him blindly.

CNN et all would report it essentially identically.

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The point is still this:

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American"
"Yeah."
"Who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
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#96 Feb 02 2007 at 6:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Of course it wouldn't be, Fox would defend him blindly.


But Fox has my O'Reilly-bear, and that makes them great!

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But Fox has my O'Reilly-bear, and that makes them great!


All women have a weakness for loudmouthed Irish knowitalls from Boston.

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All women have a weakness for loudmouthed Irish knowitalls from Boston.


Nah, we just like O'Reilly.

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#99REDACTED, Posted: Feb 02 2007 at 6:47 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Metapickles,
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Of course it wouldn't be, Fox would defend him blindly.

CNN et all would report it essentially identically.


No doubt Fox's coverage would be different. But to say that CNN et all would report it essentially identically is just blatant bs. Unlike you I check out more than one cable news network, and don't have a reactionary fear of getting cooties from watching Fox news. Hardball, AndersonCooper 360, O'Reilly Factor, Hanity & Colmes. They're all biased. At least with FoxNews they don't pretend as much to be unbiased. But like I said, truth is truth and facts are facts. If you want to pretend Lou Dobbs is unbiased, go ahead. All we need do is analyzie what is fact is what isn't, one instance at a time.

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"Who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
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It's still awfully racist from just that point because no matter how you slice it or pause it he's referencing all those qualities being "storybook" because Obama is African-American. It wouldn't be "storybook" if he was white, now would it? It doesn't sound any less credit-to-his-race awful to me by inserting a "yeah" sentence in between.

It's fine if we've moved beyond reactionary firings of Jimmy the Greeks because they gaffe by saying African-Americans were bred for athletic ability. Just keep it consistent. Taking the high road, forgiving and moving on, is even good enough for Newt Gingrich in this instance. Just keep it consistent. And if it's going to stay consistent, we should hear a lot less reactionary shrillness from the traditional African-American political elements, and see a lot less coverage of bickering complaining about racism.

Afterall, you have the right to be racist and marry only persons of a particular race if you so desire. And every supporter of affirmative action even demands that the laws of society be racist seperate but equal displays. I've been called nigg-A hundreds of times by black people. I don't have a problem with that, and they obviously don't either.

But in the end, racism is racism, no matter the source. If instances can be pointed out as ignorant and upbraided without protests and rallys, fine. I don't want to see the extensive ******** and moaning coverage and reactions of black racists in Michigan opposed to the ending of racist affirmative action policies in government and education. It's good that the Asylum is Beyond Race and thinks Race Doesn't Matter.
#101REDACTED, Posted: Feb 02 2007 at 6:51 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
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