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#1 Jan 30 2007 at 4:50 PM Rating: Good
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Not the famous 18" Spinal Tap stage set.

The old bouldery druidy thingy in Wiltshire

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Stonehenge builders' houses found


A huge ancient settlement used by the people who built Stonehenge has been found, archaeologists have said.
The village would have housed hundreds of people.


These things always mess my head up. Me and some floozy (a curvaceous MMORPG fan-site flunky chick who shall remain nameless) recently visited Cairn Holy (Google, lazy fUckers) in Sconny Botland - a neolithic tomb and stone circle from about 4.5 thousand years ago. When excavated, it produced a jade-stone axe from somewhere near Switzerland! WTF!

These bear-skin wearing, sun worshipping cave-dudes had international trade going!

Anywho, I think I have my son's half-term holiday destination sorted. Trying to find a current dig to volunteer for and get out me trusty trowel and soil-sieve.
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#2 Jan 30 2007 at 6:52 PM Rating: Decent
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These things always mess my head up.


/nod

Hawkwind at dawn on the solstice on psylicybin. Thats what messed with my head.....
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#3 Jan 31 2007 at 2:24 AM Rating: Decent
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These bear-skin wearing, sun worshipping cave-dudes had international trade going!


I agree it's completely incredible. The more I read about ancient times, the more realise how developped and "modern" they in fact were. When people refer to Ancient Greece, for exemple, it's not the Greece of today but a region that went from Spain to Israel to Egypt. It was absolutely huge, and both geographically, but also in terms of migration, of exchange of ideas and trade. And they were cosntantly trading with China and India at the times.

A tribe like the Vandals, that was originally from Northern Eastern Europe was chased by the Romans all the way to morrocco, where they resettled. It's incredible that a whole ethnic group simply moved such a distance in such a short amuont of time. And that's the reason why today Berbers in Morocco and Algeria sometimes have blue eyes and blond hair.

And then you have the Vikings.

So yeah pretty cool stuff.

As the ancients used to say:

E's are good, E's are good...
It's Ebenezergood!


That tune rocked my 14th birthday!
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#4 Jan 31 2007 at 5:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Anywho, I think I have my son's half-term holiday destination sorted. Trying to find a current dig to volunteer for and get out me trusty trowel and soil-sieve.


Piltdown redux here we come.

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Yay!!

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#6 Jan 31 2007 at 6:57 AM Rating: Good
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Monsieur RedPhoenixxx wrote:


E's are good, E's are good...
It's Ebenezergood!


That tune rocked my 14th birthday!
At last someone got the reference!

Oh, and /wave at Timmay
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#7 Jan 31 2007 at 7:45 AM Rating: Default
Aye, digs are kewl.

Ruins in Northern Syria Bear the Scars of a City's Final Battle
John Noble Wilford. New York Times. (Late Edition (East Coast)). New York, N.Y.: Jan 16, 2007. pg. F.2


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Archaeologists digging in Syria, in the upper reaches of what was ancient Mesopotamia, have found new evidence of how one of the world's earliest cities met a violent end by fire, collapsing walls and roofs, and a fierce rain of clay bullets. The battle left some of the oldest known ruins of organized warfare.

The excavations at the city, Tell Hamoukar, which was destroyed in about 3500 B.C., have also exposed remains suggesting its origins as a manufacturing center for obsidian tools and blades, perhaps as early as 4500 B.C.

The two discoveries were made in September and October and announced yesterday by the Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago and the Syrian Department of Antiquities. The site is in northeastern Syria, less than five miles from the Iraqi border.

The proximity to Iraq is not insignificant. Driven out of Iraq by the war and political turmoil, Western archaeologists who specialize in the first urban civilization that flourished in Mesopotamia have had to shift their digging to the northern fringes of the Tigris and Euphrates river valleys, in Syria and Turkey.

As a result, archaeologists are gaining a broader perspective on a transformative period in antiquity that saw the rise of the first cities, specialization in work, stratification of society and eventually, the first known writing. While the more thoroughly studied urban centers in southern Iraq may have been earlier and more powerful city-states that coalesced into empires, those in the north were not as peripheral as once assumed. Some of them developed robust cultures more or less independent of the south. Trade between the two regions was common, and so apparently was conflict.

''We are learning that what was happening in the north cannot be explained as just simple expansion of southern culture,'' said Clemens Reichel, a University of Chicago archaeologist who is excavating the battle ruins at the site. Guillermo Algaze, an archaeologist at the University of California, San Diego, who specializes in north-south relations in ancient Mesopotamia, said, ''our interpretations are going to shift,'' when these new findings are published.

Expanded excavations at Tell Brak, Habuba Kabira, Hamoukar and elsewhere in northern Syria, Dr. Algaze said, have revealed that some northern cities were larger at an earlier time than was expected. And ample evidence is being found for specialized industries like the obsidian works at Hamoukar.

''We are formulating questions to ask when we get back in southern Iraq,'' Dr. Algaze said.

Almost no field work has been done in Iraq since 1990, leaders of Mesopotamian archaeology say, and concern is mounting that war and looting have left prized sites in disarray. New hydroelectric projects are another spur to stepped-up excavations in Syria and Turkey. Archaeologists are rushing to dig before ruins are inundated by dammed rivers.

Research at Hamoukar has been under way since 1999. The Chicago-Syria team has now determined that the 40-acre heart of the city was surrounded by a 10-foot-thick wall. The main mound covering ruins extends over 260 acres, and in the outskirts to the south, pottery and obsidian flakes and cores are scattered over some 700 acres.

Dr. Reichel, the American co-director of the project, said that excavations in the recent season turned up more evidence of ''how the city looked the day it was destroyed.'' In a swift and intense attack, he said, ''buildings collapsed, burning out of control, burying everything in them under a vast pile of rubble.''

The excavators uncovered ruins of storerooms with many clay seals to secure baskets and other containers of commodities. They also investigated two large administrative buildings destroyed by fire. In the debris inside, they collected more than 1,000 round or oval-shaped clay bullets that would have been delivered by slings, then a principal weapon of warfare. One bullet had pierced the plaster of a mud-brick wall.

Twelve graves held the skeletons of likely battle victims.

The bullets and the pattern of destruction led the archaeologists to rule out earthquake damage and conclude that a tremendous battle had taken place. Dr. Reichel and other experts said there was no way to identify the aggressor, but they assumed it was the army of one of the southern cities.

When the archaeologists suggested in a 2005 report that a battle had been fought there, they encountered some skepticism from other researchers. But Dr. Algaze, who is not involved in the Hamoukar project, said the sling bullets, breached walls and widespread destruction ''have convinced even the non-believers that this is evidence of conflict.''

The more recent discovery of the city's production of sharp and durable tools from obsidian, a volcanic glass, may prove to be significant in understanding the economy of northern Mesopotamia in relation to the south, archaeologists say.

Well beyond the city center, the Hamoukar team found finished obsidian blades and the spoil of obsidian processing over hundreds of years, beginning around 4500 B.C. ''They were not just using these tools here,'' said Salam al-Kuntar, the project's Syrian co-director. ''They were making them here.''

The people at Hamoukar appeared to be taking raw obsidian, probably from deposits more than 100 miles away in Turkey, and turning it into a thriving export business. This and perhaps the later processing of copper, archaeologists say, might account for the city's growth and apparent prosperity up to the time its walls came tumbling down in battle.
#8 Jan 31 2007 at 8:15 AM Rating: Good
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I always felt that way about trepanation. It's one thing to get your head cut up in a sterile OR, but on a rock, by another sharp rock? WTF?
#9 Jan 31 2007 at 12:58 PM Rating: Good
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I don't see why it's such a big surprise. Think about it. If you were living back then with nothing to do but run around naked and....
actually.... yes. It is truly amazing that anyone ever built anythingSmiley: grin... then again.. the lack of hygeine products may have put a damper on that..

But it is widely believed that people rarely traveled more than a few kilometeres out of their villages. I can't see why this would be. People always seem to keep themselves fairly mobile. It doesn't seem unreasonable at all that people traveled across the seas and across great distances.

Neolithic structures from that same time period are all over the Continent; things like Carnac and even henges as far as Malta.

and if the ancient compilations of oral histories from Ireland such as in the Irish Book of Invaasions have any truth in them whatsoever, they speak of people traveling from Ancient Greece and even older Scythia to Spain, Britain, and Ireland. Many names from those times match up as well. Of course much of this is also concidered psuedohistory as it contains many added Biblical references as time went on in the keeping of such knowledge and unto it's actuall documentation onto parchment.

I have also been kind following with this dead guy from Amesbury http://www.this-is-amesbury.co.uk/archer.html found to acutally be from the Alps and buried in Britain. He dies over 4000 years ago.

Cool stuff though, altogether.




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#10 Jan 31 2007 at 6:02 PM Rating: Decent
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I think its sad, if not bordering on the criminal, that the Henge went from a place of full-power ancient celebration and heads-down no-nonsence boogeying 4500 years or so ago, to a place of full-power ancient celebration and heads-down no-nonsence boogeying 20 years or so ago to this, today.

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Another government approved opportunity to celebrate the summer solstice at Stonehenge as many of our ancestors may have for thousands of years.

WARM CLOTHING and rain wear is essential, blankets are allowed in but NOT quilts and sleeping bags. No Naked flames or glass bottles are allowed inside the stones however incense sticks and small cone incense are ok

Acoustic music is encouraged, amplified music is not allowed, so bring your drums, bells, whistles and guitars etc.

Wholesome vegetarian food will be available from government approved food stands.



F'uckin' p'oofs!


And as a side note. We got our very own henge in New Zealand too.

Sad to say that as far as partying it up there goes,

"Nah. Not tonight mate your names not on the list, an' your not comin' in".


Festies ain't what they used to be! Oh, no not at all.

/shakes head and shambles off to snort another line of special 'K'.
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