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#1 Jan 24 2007 at 12:29 PM Rating: Good
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Now Conservatives can jump on the Global Warming bandwagon along with the rest of us!
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Climate change seen fanning conflict and terrorism
By Mark Trevelyan, Security Correspondent
Wed Jan 24, 11:21 AM ET


LONDON (Reuters) - Global warming could exacerbate the world's rich-poor divide and help to radicalize populations and fan terrorism in the countries worst affected, security and climate experts said on Wednesday.

"We have to reckon with the human propensity for violence," Sir Crispin Tickell, Britain's former ambassador to the United Nations, told a London conference on "Climate Change: the Global Security Impact."

"Violence within and between communities and between nation states, we must accept, could possibly increase, because the precedents are all around."

He cited Rwanda and Sudan's Darfur region as two examples where drought and overpopulation, relative to scarce resources, had helped to fuel deadly conflicts.

Experts at the conference hosted by the Royal United Services Institute said it was likely that global warming would create huge flows of refugees as people tried to escape areas swamped by rising sea levels or rendered uninhabitable by desertification.

Tickell said terrorists were likely to seek to exploit the tensions created.

"Those who are short of food, those who are short of water, those who can't move to countries where it looks as if everything is marvelous are going to be people who are going to adopt desperate measures to try and make their point."

John Mitchell, chief scientist at Britain's Met Office, noted al Qaeda had already listed environmental damage among its litany of grievances against the United States.

"You have destroyed nature with your industrial waste and gases more than any other nation in history. Despite this, you refuse to sign the Kyoto agreement so that you can secure the profit of your greedy companies and industries," al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden wrote in a 2002 "letter to the American people."

Paul Rogers, professor of peace studies at Bradford University, said any attempt by countries to build fortress walls to keep out climate change refugees -- what he called the "barbarians at the gate" mentality -- was doomed to fail.

"If you just take the example of Bangladesh, if 60 million of 140 million people could not survive in Bangladesh yet they were kept there, you would have A) gigantic human suffering and B) progressive very deep radicalization -- very, very angry people -- and that is not in anybody's security interest."

Bangladesh, with a 580 km (360 mile) coastline on the Bay of Bengal, is acutely vulnerable to rising sea levels, cyclones and droughts.

Climate scientist Mitchell said the Mediterranean and Middle East were likely to receive less rainfall as a consequence of climate change, adding to existing tensions over water.

John Ashton, special representative for climate change at Britain's Foreign Office, voiced concern that this could further destabilize a region already beset by conflict.

"Given the volatile nature of that region, given the global consequences of that volatility, yes I'm hugely worried by that," he told Reuters.

Jocularity aside, we definitely see a surge in violent crimes come Summer. It's like warmer climates make people more irritable.
#2 Jan 24 2007 at 12:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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Once desertification claims the American midwest, the terrain will be perfect for the Berber hordes to sweep through on camelback and capture Kansas City in the name of Islam.
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#3 Jan 24 2007 at 12:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Once desertification claims the American midwest, the terrain will be perfect for the Berber hordes to sweep through on camelback and capture Kansas City in the name of Islam.


Small loss really.
#4 Jan 24 2007 at 12:37 PM Rating: Decent
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You know, all of that is prophicised in the book of Daniel...so maybe there is something to this climate change thing.
#5 Jan 24 2007 at 12:51 PM Rating: Decent
Metastophicleas wrote:
You know, all of that is prophicised in the book of Daniel...so maybe there is something to this climate change thing.



Oh boy, here we go...



We have alternative resources, unfortunantly for many the cost keeps it from being a viable option. Everyone complains about the price, how much money it's going to cost to force buisnesses to be more eco-friendly and how that will raise the prices for those already desperatly poor individuals who are the consumers. My thought is that unless those desperatly poor individuals learn how to breath money and drink coins, this never ending circle has got to stop!
#6 Jan 24 2007 at 12:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nothing to add, except that "Crispin Tickell" is probably the best name in politics.
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#7 Jan 24 2007 at 1:09 PM Rating: Decent
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The One and Only Katie wrote:
Oh boy, here we go...



We have alternative resources, unfortunantly for many the cost keeps it from being a viable option. Everyone complains about the price, how much money it's going to cost to force buisnesses to be more eco-friendly and how that will raise the prices for those already desperatly poor individuals who are the consumers. My thought is that unless those desperatly poor individuals learn how to breath money and drink coins, this never ending circle has got to stop!


What does any of that have anything to do with what I said? I was being sarcastic about climate change, by the way, though I'm all for more eco friendly fuel sources.
#8 Jan 24 2007 at 1:18 PM Rating: Decent
I just find it amusing that a biblical theory gets mentioned in topics like this. Cool your jets, mack. It never fails that atleast one idiot brings it up. On the lighter side, my two comments were seperate. One had nothing to do with the other.

Edited, Jan 24th 2007 3:19pm by Katie
#9 Jan 24 2007 at 1:21 PM Rating: Default
Wow, is the global warming argument that tired that it needs to threaten the threat of violence, of the workers revolution rising up! Maybe if these people weren't commies and socialist wackos, they'd have more credibility.

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Paul Rogers, professor of peace studies at Bradford University


Do you buy your dope at the campus bookstore?

Edited, Jan 24th 2007 4:25pm by MonxDoT
#10 Jan 24 2007 at 1:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Global Warming? Have you stepped outside today?!

Brrrr!
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#11 Jan 24 2007 at 1:29 PM Rating: Decent
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The One and Only Katie wrote:
I just find it amusing that a biblical theory gets mentioned in topics like this. Cool your jets, mack. It never fails that atleast one idiot brings it up. On the lighter side, my two comments were seperate. One had nothing to do with the other.


Jets be cooled...sh*t, they're frozen. I'd love some @#%^ing global warming right now.

You failed sarcasm class, didn't you?


Edit: their/they're

Edited, Jan 24th 2007 4:29pm by Metastophicleas
#12 Jan 24 2007 at 1:37 PM Rating: Decent
Metastophicleas wrote:
The One and Only Katie wrote:
I just find it amusing that a biblical theory gets mentioned in topics like this. Cool your jets, mack. It never fails that atleast one idiot brings it up. On the lighter side, my two comments were seperate. One had nothing to do with the other.


Jets be cooled...sh*t, they're frozen. I'd love some @#%^ing global warming right now.

You failed sarcasm class, didn't you?


Edit: their/they're

Edited, Jan 24th 2007 4:29pm by Metastophicleas



That would be the reason I used the word "amusing". As I found it funny. Notice, I didn't use the word laughable.

Critical reading skills FTW!
#13 Jan 24 2007 at 1:45 PM Rating: Decent
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I have a new theory about global warming. Think about how much of the Earth is covered in heated houses with stoves in them. All of that heat is generated in one way or another, once the heat is generated it gets shifted around but never dissappears.

The world is going to flood and it's all Kraft Dinners' fault.
#14 Jan 24 2007 at 1:50 PM Rating: Default
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I have a new theory about global warming. Think about how much of the Earth is covered in heated houses with stoves in them. All of that heat is generated in one way or another, once the heat is generated it gets shifted around but never dissappears.


Think of all the air conditioners in houses. Maybe if we built more AC, less cowbell, and for X hours a day we reversed the ACs? [:roll eyes:]
#15 Jan 24 2007 at 1:56 PM Rating: Decent
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MonxDoT wrote:
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I have a new theory about global warming. Think about how much of the Earth is covered in heated houses with stoves in them. All of that heat is generated in one way or another, once the heat is generated it gets shifted around but never dissappears.


Think of all the air conditioners in houses. Maybe if we built more AC, less cowbell, and for X hours a day we reversed the ACs? [:roll eyes:]


Uhm no. Air conditioners don't remove heat, they move it. Go touch the back of your AC. In fact they actually generate a small amount of heat.
#16 Jan 24 2007 at 2:00 PM Rating: Default
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Uhm no. Air conditioners don't remove heat, they move it. Go touch the back of your AC. In fact they actually generate a small amount of heat.


Ummm, well, idk, if you say so. In that case we could build a giant *solar powered* [:grins:] air conditioner, or mandate all air conditioners be solar powered. Repeat as above. :P
#17 Jan 24 2007 at 2:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yodabunny wrote:
I have a new theory about global warming. Think about how much of the Earth is covered in heated houses with stoves in them. All of that heat is generated in one way or another, once the heat is generated it gets shifted around but never dissappears.


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Uhm no. Air conditioners don't remove heat, they move it. Go touch the back of your AC. In fact they actually generate a small amount of heat.


If you apply the principle of the second quote to the first, you pwn yourself. Smiley: laugh
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#18 Jan 24 2007 at 2:04 PM Rating: Default
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you pwn yourself


"It's getting hot in here ..."

In that case she has to remove an article of clothing. Asylum Strip Poster rules amarite?
#19 Jan 24 2007 at 2:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Critical reading skills FTW!



Naa, just a simple misunderstanding.
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