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#1 Jan 23 2007 at 10:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Was it just me, or did the second half of the State of the Union Address seem more like a platform for Dubya to push his new troop deployment and re-instill fear and patriotism into the American public? There also seemed to be a lot more clapping than actual addressing.

He also talked about alternative fuel sources, domestic welfare, etc, but I imagine that was just an effort to get on the good side of a Democratic Senate.

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#2 Jan 23 2007 at 10:40 PM Rating: Default
President bush uses his superhuman powers to save the world and people still complain you people are like FFXI retards never happy about any thing that happens. you guys always find a reason to hate bush but you never have a postive solution. always complaining never solving the problem ugh.. it's sad that you seem like these people -> -.-
#3 Jan 23 2007 at 10:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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President bush uses his superhuman powers to save the world and people still complain you people are like FFXI retards never happy about any thing that happens. you guys always find a reason to hate bush but you never have a postive solution. always complaining never solving the problem ugh.. it's sad that you seem like these people -> -.-

And yet I see neither "positive solutions" nor any semblence of independent thought from you. Try thinking objectively for once, but make sure not to break anything.
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#4 Jan 23 2007 at 10:53 PM Rating: Good
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MuffinMan wrote:
President bush uses his superhuman powers to save the world and people still complain you people are like FFXI retards never happy about any thing that happens. you guys always find a reason to hate bush but you never have a postive solution. always complaining never solving the problem ugh.. it's sad that you seem like these people -> -.-

My solution is for you to put up or shut up! And love it or leave it!


#5 Jan 23 2007 at 10:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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Given the situation, more troops makes a heck of alot of sense to me. People keep thinking of it as more troops = more poor defensless targets, but whatever else you want to say about the military and the recruits it tends to attract, they do get the best military training and equipment in the world. Having enough of them in place to minimize insurgent aid from iran is going to really help with the overall security picture. Strength in numbers. If we just arbitrarily pull out of Iraq, will the US be affected? Probably not. Sure some oil fluctuation, maybe a some more terrorism attempts in the short term, but long term we end up with Afghanistan II.
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#6 Jan 23 2007 at 10:58 PM Rating: Decent
Is there a video link anywhere? I was at work and was unable to watch.
#7 Jan 23 2007 at 11:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Cheney looked bored and annoyed during Bush's bit on immigration. You could practically see him rolling his eyes.

Pelosi looked as if she was eating something the entire time. Flea thought she was playing with her dentures.

Both Cheney & Pelosi looked ready to check their watches during the "Great Americans" segment. As a final note about C&P, they both (and Bush) looked as if they were dressed for Easter brunch. What was with all the pastels?

Bush's segment on insurance tax deductability probably didn't resonate with anyone. Don't get me wrong, it might be a fine hum-dinger of a plan. But the mind wanders when you have Bush trying to read off numbers.

As Bush was going on about his "Lower Gasoline Consumption by 20%" plan, I asked Flea "Hey, does this mean he'll stop trying to drill in ANWR?" Then Bush chimed in about "environmentally sensitive drilling." Oh well.

"We must stay until victory is achieved" is pretty much diametrically opposed to "Our committment to the Iraqi government is not open-ended".

I could write a book about No Child Left Behind. Well, a pamphlet, anyway.

I support the idea of increasing our armed forces. I'm a little lost on what the civil volunteer whatever team is supposed to be for.

Maybe it was just the camera angle, but I'm almost certain that McCain fell asleep during part of the speech.
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#8 Jan 24 2007 at 7:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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Bush's segment on insurance tax deductability probably didn't resonate with anyone. Don't get me wrong, it might be a fine hum-dinger of a plan. But the mind wanders when you have Bush trying to read off numbers.

I was just annoyed as to what he thinks people who are too poor to afford insurance are going to use to buy insurance with so that they can get it deducted from their taxes later on. If they had the money, they'd buy insurance. Or food. Or pay their gas bill.

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"We must stay until victory is achieved" is pretty much diametrically opposed to "Our committment to the Iraqi government is not open-ended".

I'm a big softie, but I have to say I was touched by the "this is not the conflict we got into, but it's the conflict we're in" line. Some part of him has got to carry this screwup around for life, and it almost sounded more like he was asking for understanding instead of demanding compliance for once. I appreciated that.

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I'm a little lost on what the civil volunteer whatever team is supposed to be for.
I think to handle reconstruction and the like without having to pay through the nose for civil contractors.

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Maybe it was just the camera angle, but I'm almost certain that McCain fell asleep during part of the speech.
He was mourning the loss of earmarks.
#9 Jan 24 2007 at 7:26 AM Rating: Decent
I was impressed that he brought up how ridiculously over paid some of the CEos in this country are. Thought he lost people around the numbers, and dragging out the heroes at the end seemed cheesy and somehow pathetic. Like the pres was begging for folks to like him.
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It would be a picture book because I'm functionally illiterate.
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#11 Jan 24 2007 at 7:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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Oh, and just to give equal time in embarassing camera shots, Ted Kennedy looked to be on Death's door with a bottle of whiskey.
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#12 Jan 24 2007 at 7:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Oh, and just to give equal time in embarassing camera shots, Ted Kennedy looked to be on Death's door with a bottle of whiskey.


If you had to listen to Bush droll on for 2 hours in person, wouldn't you be?
#13 Jan 24 2007 at 8:15 AM Rating: Good
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NPR's take on the facts of his speech.
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Then he touted the law's successes: "And because we acted, students are performing better in reading and math, and minority students are closing the achievement gap."

Well, sort of. There's no question the law has had a significant impact on the nation's 14,000 school districts. But the results from the tests known as the National Assessment of Educational Progress are more mixed than the president suggested. The administration can point to some modest gains in math and reading among fourth graders, and math among 8th graders. But in 8th grade reading, test scores fell from 2002 to 2005. And the achievement gap between black and white students in that period actually widened a little.
Few things make me as angry as No Child Left Behind. Like the war, it's a soundbyte that was used as a campaign tactic, and ultimately, it didn't address anything it was supposed to and may have actually worsened things. If it gets reauthorized at all, it should be with significant edits.
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As well, several citys & states have "shown improvement" by lowering their test standards. Students given an independent exam have shown a much lower passing rate than the state exams would suggest.

Without a nationalized standard, there's really no telling how well the states are doing. I was also amused by Bush's comments on "learning science" since the sciences are one area hurt by hinging funding on math/literacy exam results.

Bush's energy goals, with our current technology, are unworkable. Producing enough additional ethanol to meet the levels he set would require converting an area the size of Kansas and Iowa combined to corn production. It's a good goal and I support research into it and new ways of producing ethanol more efficently but, right now, it's a nice pipe dream developed for a speech.
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#15 Jan 24 2007 at 8:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Bush's energy goals, with our current technology, are unworkable. Producing enough additional ethanol to meet the levels he set would require converting an area the size of Kansas and Iowa combined to corn production. It's a good goal and I support research into it and new ways of producing ethanol more efficently but, right now, it's a nice pipe dream developed for a speech.



Though I'll doubt the current administration (or any other for that matter)would buy into it, this issue could be resolved with huge buildings that act as hydroponic farms. One massive building or several smaller buildings that provide artificial sunlight, controlled enviroment, reduced maintenance costs per bushel, and nutrient solution all stacked several stories high.

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I've heard several theories on how we could eventually produce that much ethanol (most involving some form of desert farming and taking advatage of the solar radiation) but we're not there yet and I think making a "plan" to use that much ethanol in ten years is a bit disingenuous. Kind of like Bush's "Mission to Mars" proposal from years back.

But, I'll say again, if this plan includes the research and funding to develop alternate sources of mass-produced ethanol beyond corn, I'm all for it. 'Cause maize alone won't cut it.

On a side note, the president of Mexico is passing price controls on tortillas. The US ethanol market is depleting the supplies of corn, raising prices and making the staple food for impoverished Mexicans unaffordable.
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#17 Jan 24 2007 at 9:19 AM Rating: Default
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but whatever else you want to say about the military and the recruits it tends to attract, they do get the best military training and equipment in the world.
Smiley: lol Damn, i nearly choked on my coke when i read that. The US military would struggle to train a dog to sit still.

You do however have the best equipment.

#18 Jan 24 2007 at 9:23 AM Rating: Good
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but whatever else you want to say about the military and the recruits it tends to attract, they do get the best military training and equipment in the world.
Smiley: lol Damn, i nearly choked on my coke when i read that. The US military would struggle to train a dog to sit still.

You do however have the best equipment.

I'll say this for the British troops. Their officers age marvelously. I now have a mini-crush on General Rupert Smith. Rawr.
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but whatever else you want to say about the military and the recruits it tends to attract, they do get the best military training and equipment in the world.
Smiley: lol Damn, i nearly choked on my coke when i read that. The US military would struggle to train an Iraqi policeman not to loot.
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#20 Jan 24 2007 at 9:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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I was impressed that he brought up how ridiculously over paid some of the CEos in this country are.

I thought that was in Webb's democratic response? Either way, it illustrates an interesting problem, but I really don't see much change in the future. The Man will always be looking out for number 1, and, if anything, the minimum wage increase will hurt the blue-collars much more than the CEOs.

After reading some mixed reviews in the school newspaper (damn collegiate liberal media), it seems like most folks were at least content with the speech. The most common complaint, to no surprise, was Bush's refusal to back down from Iraq, and his plea for support from Congress. He probably would have gotten a better response if he said "pretty please with a cherry on top?".
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#21 Jan 24 2007 at 10:38 AM Rating: Default
Ethanol lol. There's so much over mal-investment out there in ethanol plants and new ethanol IPOs pop up all the time. Too bad it takes more energy to produce ethanol than is gained from the use of ethanol. The government mandates it, subsidizes it, that's why it exists. But that's big government and liberals for ya, waste a buck to save a dime, create more pollution burning coal to produce ethanol, than is saved from using ethanol instead of gasoline.

That's right, ethanol is economically inefficient. If it was economically efficient it would have evolved on its own in the free market as an alternative fuel. Grow corn. Turn it into ethanol. You don't even have to drill for it. Typical S-A-P-S. And increase the price of corn, make starving people in world less able to afford food. Good job libs. Now I can't even get corn with my Burbon Chicken and potatos at the Cajun Cafe at the mall.
#22 Jan 24 2007 at 10:47 AM Rating: Decent
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I did not follow any of Bush's speech, because I was too busy being entertained by Speaker Pelosi's nano-blinking and gum chewing.
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Too bad it takes more energy to produce ethanol than is gained from the use of ethanol.
I've seen more than a couple studies which disagree with this.

According to this chart, the industry average (in 1995) for producing ethanol created a 38% gain in energy. I'd assume the technology has gotten better since then on both the agricultural and production ends but a 38% increase is still an increase.

I'm not big into Wiki articles but this one touches on the basics in fairly clear language. Even the most critical report against corn ethanol admitted that using other materials could result in a net energy gain.
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#24 Jan 24 2007 at 11:19 AM Rating: Default
Well if that was true there would be absolutely no reason whatsoever for the government to subsidize ethanol. It's pure profit, according to your "studies". States like California mandated it even before the federal government began their own copycat mandates. It's total garbage that flies in the face of simple economic reality. If you found oil or any source of alternative fuel energy in your backyard, you don't need the government to come in to force people to buy it. You don't need to subsidize it or call for government research investment in it either. Go mortgage your barn and put it all into ethanol IPO companies if it's 38% free energy. Sucker.
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So, to clarify, you have no scientific data to back up your claims but you figure that if you make some generalist economic claims gleaned from a couple listenings to Suze Orman, that'll count as proof.

Ok. So long as we're clear.
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#26 Jan 24 2007 at 11:30 AM Rating: Default
Hey what's wrong with Suze Orman?

Damn right I don't need to make more than generalist claims from minimal information gleaned from the Wall Street Journal on the ethanol market. If it was PROFITABLE, PURE & FVCKING SIMPLE, there would be absolutely no need to mandate or subsidize. It's a helluva lot easier to increase the production of more corn than it is to find, drill, or import more oil. Really, sometimes, it is that easy. I buy low and sell high. Now go find me some "studies" on Gordon Gekko quotes. :P
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