BSG thread for 01/21/07 EpisodeFollow

Didn't feel like necroposting so I was thinking maybe we can do a weekly thread based on the week's episode. Anyone catch last night's episode? Apparently, I missed the previous episode (I think the last one I caught was the boxing match episode) and I missed the marathon they had last week.

Interesting episode - I won't cite spoilers, but I'm curious as to who the final 5 of the Cylons are. I'm thinking Gaius Baltar will be one of them.

Ok, one small spoiler for discussion:







Looks like Lucy Lawless will be taking a break from the show, if not indefinitely, which I doubt.

I've been trying so hard wracking my brain as to who she wronged in the past but I just cannot remember. I didn't even catch that hint about Starbuck, I just thought that it meant she saw it somewhere when she was a kid.

Can someone explain to me why she was able to see the five in the temple? I thought this temple was built by humans of the 13th colony on their way to Earth.

Dang maybe I shouldn't watch BSG at 1 in the morning anymore!! Glad I read that comment, it all seems to make total sense now.

D'Anna would definitely say "Please forgive me, I had no idea." because of all the things they did to Starbuck. (capturing her at the farm, keeping her hostage on New Caprica) What is Starbuck's history? All I can recall is that she was physically abused as a child by her mother and so that's why she has no family ties.

If she is one I would be pretty happy with that. She's as deep in as anyone else.

You know, you would think that a race as intelligent as the Cylons that can eventually create models that are flawlessly human in appearance would have come up with some way for them to be able to tell.

I'm now waiting for Baltar to bang Sharon. He's done Six, D'Anna, and Starbuck. She's all that's left! (that we know of)

Wtf is BSG?

Question:

When did they move it from Friday nights to Sundays?

They moved it last night and the reason is because ratings have been very poor lately. They're hoping to revive things by moving it to a better night. Good move imo. I'll /wrist if they cancel this like Farscape.

No, Starbuck was sent to The Farm early in Season 2, before we ever met D'Anna masquerading as a reporter on Galactica (which I believe was in Season 2.5.) The only Cylons we saw at "The Farm" were Six and the African-American one posing as the doctor.



Edited, Jan 22nd 2007 3:12pm by Ambrya

I agree, though I did kinda enjoy her slapping Starbuck this week. Bout damn time SOMEBODY did. That woman's got her stupid on in a major way...

The whole "oh no, the final 5 are divine" thing is a load of crap in my oppinion. it's a cop out. The cylon god is going to turn otu to be some malfunctioning windows 95 box sitting undiscovered in the back room of the galactica.

I'm still mad they blew up the pegasus.

The theory I'm working with (and have for a while now) is that the Cylons didn't "evolve" into human forms. Humans and cylons are actually from the same stock and always have been. The Lords of Kobol may have introduced some kind of genetic programing into the human population in order to cause specific things to occur in the future (why is totally unknown of course). Maybe they were trying to create the next evolution of man or something. But this programming would occasionally cause certain "templates" to appear in the population (the twelve, which I'm sure is *not* coincidentally the same number of colonies). Those people would then (perhaps unknowingly) take actions that would lead to some desired result.

This could include the creation of the cylon race in the first place. It could include the introduction of human form cylons in that race. Did the cylons actually create them, or did they find them and incorporate them into the whole downloading/cloning thing? The fact that they know there are 12 models (and only 12 for some reason), but they themselves don't know who the remaining 5 are is a strong indication that they were found rather then created.


There's just too many things that go waaaaay back in human history and that tie directly into the human form cylons for this (or something similar) not to be the case. Why create 12 colonies and there be 12 models of cylon? Why create a "temple of the five" 4,000 years ago, which apparently was designed to allow a human form cylon (template human?) to see the five hidden forms? Humans clearly did this, so the answer has to lie with the idea that what we think of as "humans" and "cylons" aren't as distinct and separate as we believed initially.


This would also perhaps indicate that there was a 13th template created (a 13th "lord of Kobol"), who chose to go off and found earth instead of sticking around with the other 12. He might be "the one" that the cylons are seeking (perhaps again without knowing why). Notice that the Humans talk about "gods" (which are presumably references to the 12 lords who founded the 12 colonies). Cylons talk about "god" (the one who founded earth perhaps?). Everything that's going on in the series, both by humans and cylons may simply be some programmed desire/need to find this 13th template/colony. Even though the cylons may think of themselves as machines and enemies of man, they're apparently just as subjected to this programming as the humans are. They might be a bit more aware of it is all. They don't follow the "gods", because they know that they are copies of the 12 (7 of them anyway). They can't exactly worship themselves, so they deify the final one instead (although "the five" are pretty high up there to them as well).


It could even be that the entire conflict between the humans and cylons was created because without that kind of strife, they'd never leave the area of space they were in and seek earth. If, as I surmise, that's the programming they are both following, then this makes a lot of sense.

Dunno. Just a theory I've been hashing about for awhile and slowly refining. Whatever the "truth" is, it's pretty darn interesting so far...

I was totally confused by that, too, unless the 13th colony made these cylons.

Ambrya, I've not seen that promo. TiVo catches the new episodes of BSG and Stargate Atlantis and that's about it for me.

Neph, no, no on the geek-iness scale we're really not very high. First, I'd point out we're discussing a television program not violations of the fluctuation-dissipation theorm or the innerworkings of the linux kernel. Second, we actually have represenatives of the fairer sex with us. I'd say we're pretty mainstream for the 21st century.

I've never seen BSG, but this is the first sentence in this entire thread that I didn't understand.