I'm guessing that it's because everyone was in such a "let me get the hell out of work" mode on Friday, and she isn't official yet, but let's skip the media play, and just assume that she is, because well, we know she's been running for two plus years now.
The real questions are: Does anyone care if she's running, and why?
That being asked now, I have to say that besides not really liking here at all, and thinking her politics are rather fake, I don't really give a flying rats three day old dried ****. I think that I'm just over the nonesense that is the current political system here in the United States. I think I'm just tired of having my rights as a citizen stripped, and feeling like one of the only people that gives a damn, and I'm really tired of the power grap that the federal goverment has been making for the last several decades.
As far as the current candidates go, Hil is a waste of time, and Osama Obama doesn't really interest me either, being a lib and all. On the "right" we've got what, Rudi, and McCain? Wow. I'm knocked over by the vastness of the 'Pubbies to get some real effort out there. Sad thing is this: There aren't any real conservatives out there, and there isn't a Constitution party candidate as yet, so my vote is up in the air, as it should be, until 2k8.
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Haven't decided what I think about her running yet, I am waiting to see who else thinks they are smart enough to be president. And frankly, I am getting very worried about the names being suggested!
Just once in my life, I would like to see someone run that is above and beyond the field, a true front runner that is intelligent, tough, and well prepared for the office!
I know, I *********** in one hand and wish in the other, which one gets filled first?
Edited, Jan 20th 2007 7:06pm by Redyne
Just once in my life, I would like to see someone run that is above and beyond the field, a true front runner that is intelligent, tough, and well prepared for the office!
I know, I *********** in one hand and wish in the other, which one gets filled first?
Edited, Jan 20th 2007 7:06pm by Redyne
Hilary is too polarizing.
Rudi has too many skeletons in the closet
Obama is black
McCain seems nice but he hates gooks.
Rudi has too many skeletons in the closet
Obama is black
McCain seems nice but he hates gooks.
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So, you'd agree then, that all the potential candidates thus far, suck ***?
Pick your extreme by pairing extremes against each other:
President Hilary or President Newt
President Obama or President Jeb
That's what I like, the more polarizing and toward one end of a spectrum a canditate is, the more it opens on the other side for a more polarizing and toward the other end of the spectrum candidate.
Hilary Clinton and Barrak Obama are exactly as mainstream as Newt Gingrich and Jeb Bush. If Hilary and Obama emerge as the Democratic frontrunners Newt and Jeb are my predictions for the Republican front runners. If they all run against each other in the end the odds of one of them being president will be somewhere around 50/50. FDR, Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, watch out.
I feel an ever increasing uglier polarizing vibe on the horizon that'll make George Bush look like Mandie Moore.
President Hilary or President Newt
President Obama or President Jeb
That's what I like, the more polarizing and toward one end of a spectrum a canditate is, the more it opens on the other side for a more polarizing and toward the other end of the spectrum candidate.
Hilary Clinton and Barrak Obama are exactly as mainstream as Newt Gingrich and Jeb Bush. If Hilary and Obama emerge as the Democratic frontrunners Newt and Jeb are my predictions for the Republican front runners. If they all run against each other in the end the odds of one of them being president will be somewhere around 50/50. FDR, Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, watch out.
I feel an ever increasing uglier polarizing vibe on the horizon that'll make George Bush look like Mandie Moore.
Clinton - too polarizing and has a lot of baggage. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if America's ready for a woman president yet. She's a carpetbagger, to boot.
Obama - Popular, but not experienced enough and his half-Negroidness is sadly a factor in our racist society. It would be great if he could pull off a win, but I don't think it will happen. I won't mind if I'm proven wrong at all - I think he's a great guy. If he doesn't get the nomination, he'd be a great VP choice.
John Kerry - He blew his chances last time around - not going to happen.
John Edwards - See John Kerry.
Al Gore - Don't laugh - he won the popular vote in 2000. He's riding high on his global warming flick. He's an elder statesman with experience. If he runs, he's got my vote...Ok, you can laugh anyway, but I'm still gonna vote for him if he runs.
Any Rebublicans - Not going to happen, although if one should win, I don't mind John McCain. I don't think Rudy will capture the nomination - it's John McCain's turn.
Obama - Popular, but not experienced enough and his half-Negroidness is sadly a factor in our racist society. It would be great if he could pull off a win, but I don't think it will happen. I won't mind if I'm proven wrong at all - I think he's a great guy. If he doesn't get the nomination, he'd be a great VP choice.
John Kerry - He blew his chances last time around - not going to happen.
John Edwards - See John Kerry.
Al Gore - Don't laugh - he won the popular vote in 2000. He's riding high on his global warming flick. He's an elder statesman with experience. If he runs, he's got my vote...Ok, you can laugh anyway, but I'm still gonna vote for him if he runs.
Any Rebublicans - Not going to happen, although if one should win, I don't mind John McCain. I don't think Rudy will capture the nomination - it's John McCain's turn.
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I'm pretty sure that the American public has seen enough of Clinton. Besides, she's teh woman (I think).
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
I'd be more inclined to give my opinion if the OP hadn't spent three paragraphs saying "OMG all the candidates suck!"
I'll get enough of that in 2008.
I'll get enough of that in 2008.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Am I really wrong about all of them sucking so far, though?
Come on, Joph, share your opinion! It's one of the few around here that I actually respect, so I'd like to here it.
Come on, Joph, share your opinion! It's one of the few around here that I actually respect, so I'd like to here it.
Demea wrote:
I'm pretty sure that the American public has seen enough of Clinton. Besides, she's teh woman (I think).
I'm not sure. Both Bill and Hil were mostly hated by pundits. To quote SNL's version of Bill: "I'm bulletproof." He was always popular and people are much more positive about Bill now than they ever were during his adminstration. I think Hilary's connection to Bill will be a positive and I think can create alot of goodwill. On the downside, Hilary is too divisive. I will say that it is pretty appalling that in the US, there is only one woman seen as a viable candidate for President. And I think it's appalling as well that many people in the US don't want a female president.
Viable candidates? There will most likely be a darkhorse candidate from the midwest.
Obama is very popular and he is charismatic but he's young and America is really racist. Maybe he will do it. Maybe the US voters will surprise me. I mean, in Mass., we actually have a black governor and if you know the history of the Boston area, if we can have a black governor here, maybe there is hope (b/c of Mass. issues around racism).
But my guess is that the frontrunner has not declared himself. Maybe Russ Feingold will not be able to resist.
Edited, Jan 22nd 2007 3:34pm by annabellaonalexander
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
So Metastophicleas... are you going to VOTE?
I keed, I keed.
I keed, I keed.
If I could vote I would vote for obama.
Pikko Pots wrote:
So Metastophicleas... are you going to VOTE?
I keed, I keed.
I keed, I keed.
LMFAO <3 u Pikko
Metastophicleas wrote:
Come on, Joph, share your opinion!
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I think that there are a few viable candidates for president that are women, just not Hil, in my opinion. Condi, for example, is someone that I'd trust the country to, mostly because I don't think she'd ***** it up.
I don't think Obama has a chance in hell. Not because he's half black, but because he has no real political clout, and not enough of a background to prove that he's a leader. I think people would line up in droves behind another black man however, Gen. Powell. He would win in a landslide, in my opinion.
I don't think it's a matter of the country being ready for a black man, or a woman, or even a black woman (nevermind the other ethnic groups out there). I think it's just a matter of finding the right person for the job, and after the last two stooges we've put in office, I want the right person for the job. I don't care what they look like, what church they belong to, or how many babies they kiss. All they need to do, is stick to the Constitution. Pretty damn easy if you ask me. Since that isn't likely to happen, though, I'll just settle for the best person for the job.
I don't think Obama has a chance in hell. Not because he's half black, but because he has no real political clout, and not enough of a background to prove that he's a leader. I think people would line up in droves behind another black man however, Gen. Powell. He would win in a landslide, in my opinion.
I don't think it's a matter of the country being ready for a black man, or a woman, or even a black woman (nevermind the other ethnic groups out there). I think it's just a matter of finding the right person for the job, and after the last two stooges we've put in office, I want the right person for the job. I don't care what they look like, what church they belong to, or how many babies they kiss. All they need to do, is stick to the Constitution. Pretty damn easy if you ask me. Since that isn't likely to happen, though, I'll just settle for the best person for the job.
Jophiel wrote:
Metastophicleas wrote:
Come on, Joph, share your opinion!
Wish I had that problem. I'm bored as hell here.
Quote:
I don't think Obama has a chance in hell. Not because he's half black, but because he has no real political clout, and not enough of a background to prove that he's a leader. I think people would line up in droves behind another black man however, Gen. Powell. He would win in a landslide, in my opinion.
Powell is out after the debacle that was his speech to the U.N. regarding the Iraq War. Condi is out because she is too closely identified with Dubya. Dubya is wildly unpopular and I'd be shocked if the Republicans would want to associate their new candidate too closely with this current adminstration.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
Conservative media bias!After all, saying "He's a blackie!" wouldn't really be acceptable but if we can imply that he's a crazy Muslim...
Edited, Jan 22nd 2007 5:11pm by Jophiel
CNN wrote:
JAKARTA, Indonesia (CNN) -- Allegations that Sen. Barack Obama was educated in a radical Muslim school known as a "madrassa" are not accurate, according to CNN reporting.
Insight Magazine, which is owned by the same company as The Washington Times, reported on its Web site last week that associates of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, had unearthed information the Illinois Democrat and likely presidential candidate attended a Muslim religious school known for teaching the most fundamentalist form of Islam.
Obama lived in Indonesia as a child, from 1967 to 1971, with his mother and step-father and has acknowledged attending a Muslim school, but an aide said it was not a madrassa.
Insight attributed the information in its article to an unnamed source, who said it was discovered by "researchers connected to Senator Clinton." A spokesman for Clinton, who is also weighing a White House bid, denied that the campaign was the source of the Obama claim.
He called the story "an obvious right-wing hit job."
Insight stood by its story in a response posted on its Web site Monday afternoon.
The Insight article was cited several times Friday on Fox News and was also referenced by the New York Post, The Glenn Beck program on CNN Headline News and a number of political blogs.
But reporting by CNN in Jakarta, Indonesia and Washington, D.C., shows the allegations that Obama attended a madrassa to be false. CNN dispatched Senior International Correspondent John Vause to Jakarta to investigate.
He visited the Basuki school, which Obama attended from 1969 to 1971.
"This is a public school. We don't focus on religion," Hardi Priyono, deputy headmaster of the Basuki school, told Vause. "In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment."
Insight Magazine, which is owned by the same company as The Washington Times, reported on its Web site last week that associates of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, had unearthed information the Illinois Democrat and likely presidential candidate attended a Muslim religious school known for teaching the most fundamentalist form of Islam.
Obama lived in Indonesia as a child, from 1967 to 1971, with his mother and step-father and has acknowledged attending a Muslim school, but an aide said it was not a madrassa.
Insight attributed the information in its article to an unnamed source, who said it was discovered by "researchers connected to Senator Clinton." A spokesman for Clinton, who is also weighing a White House bid, denied that the campaign was the source of the Obama claim.
He called the story "an obvious right-wing hit job."
Insight stood by its story in a response posted on its Web site Monday afternoon.
The Insight article was cited several times Friday on Fox News and was also referenced by the New York Post, The Glenn Beck program on CNN Headline News and a number of political blogs.
But reporting by CNN in Jakarta, Indonesia and Washington, D.C., shows the allegations that Obama attended a madrassa to be false. CNN dispatched Senior International Correspondent John Vause to Jakarta to investigate.
He visited the Basuki school, which Obama attended from 1969 to 1971.
"This is a public school. We don't focus on religion," Hardi Priyono, deputy headmaster of the Basuki school, told Vause. "In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment."
Edited, Jan 22nd 2007 5:11pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Osama at the Bukaki school? That's juicy!
Metastophicleas wrote:
Am I really wrong about all of them sucking so far, though?
Well, none who have been mentioned will be as bad as W. Rudi or John McCain? These guys would be a freakin godsend. I'm just worried the pubbies will pull out Quayle and it will be W's third term.
Dude...I'd rather have less government, and fewer entitlement programs...not more.
Plus, Rudi, McCain, and W, are all big government people. They all suck too.
Plus, Rudi, McCain, and W, are all big government people. They all suck too.
The election is still over a year and a half off. I'd wait for the arena to get a bit larger before writing off the election completely.
On the Democratic side, I think Clinton is largely unelectable for a couple reasons. Especially if we're still "at war", which I'm sure will be part of the Republican platform, I don't think we'll elect a woman as Commander-In-Chief. I think Obama might have a chance if he's through the primaries. He's well-spoken and comes across as having seriously thought about things. He'll put up a hell of a debate in any event and frame his lack of experience as someone who isn't the same old Washington insider. But I admit I'm probably being pollyanna in not counting him out purely on race.
Other potentials would be Gore who I think might have a chance if he can answer questions about things other than CO2 emissions. He won the popular vote once and it seems like a couple years on the lecture circuit has bettered his oratory/statesman skills and made him less wooden. I think Edwards won't make it through the primaries but I don't blame that entirely on the Kerry election; he just doesn't have anything going for him that sets him apart right now. Kerry shouldn't even waste the money on a campaign -- if he can't win as the lesser of two evils, he won't win against a fresh Republican candidate. I don't know Vilsack well enough to even hazard a guess.
On the Republican side, Giuliani is too socially moderate on hot-button issues to get the nod. I'm seeing McCain as more of an opportunist than a moderate, plus the guy is going to be 72 (73?) for the election. And Flea used to work on the Hill and says that, in person, McCain is about as sharp as a bag of mulch. Whoever the Republican candidate is, I don't think it'll be either of them and will be someone running on a "Restore real conservatism" platform after the party disillusionment in '06.
I'm not up on the other Republican potentials/hopefuls. Plus I'm just typing to hear myself type and I promised an opinion. The election is 18+ months away and, at this point last election, no one in the general public even knew who the hell Kerry was.
Edited, Jan 23rd 2007 7:53am by Jophiel
On the Democratic side, I think Clinton is largely unelectable for a couple reasons. Especially if we're still "at war", which I'm sure will be part of the Republican platform, I don't think we'll elect a woman as Commander-In-Chief. I think Obama might have a chance if he's through the primaries. He's well-spoken and comes across as having seriously thought about things. He'll put up a hell of a debate in any event and frame his lack of experience as someone who isn't the same old Washington insider. But I admit I'm probably being pollyanna in not counting him out purely on race.
Other potentials would be Gore who I think might have a chance if he can answer questions about things other than CO2 emissions. He won the popular vote once and it seems like a couple years on the lecture circuit has bettered his oratory/statesman skills and made him less wooden. I think Edwards won't make it through the primaries but I don't blame that entirely on the Kerry election; he just doesn't have anything going for him that sets him apart right now. Kerry shouldn't even waste the money on a campaign -- if he can't win as the lesser of two evils, he won't win against a fresh Republican candidate. I don't know Vilsack well enough to even hazard a guess.
On the Republican side, Giuliani is too socially moderate on hot-button issues to get the nod. I'm seeing McCain as more of an opportunist than a moderate, plus the guy is going to be 72 (73?) for the election. And Flea used to work on the Hill and says that, in person, McCain is about as sharp as a bag of mulch. Whoever the Republican candidate is, I don't think it'll be either of them and will be someone running on a "Restore real conservatism" platform after the party disillusionment in '06.
I'm not up on the other Republican potentials/hopefuls. Plus I'm just typing to hear myself type and I promised an opinion. The election is 18+ months away and, at this point last election, no one in the general public even knew who the hell Kerry was.
Edited, Jan 23rd 2007 7:53am by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Pikko Pots wrote:
So Metastophicleas... are you going to VOTE?
I keed, I keed.
I keed, I keed.
ROFL
+1 Pikko
I agree that Osama...I mean Obama is very well spoken. I actually like that to a point, but he reminds me of the black Vulcan on Star Trek...Voyager...I think (I watched it in passing most of the time anyway because I usually worked when it was on), and that makes me laugh at him, rather than take him seriously.
Gore...Al Gore...Al Bore. If he can worry about a real issue for once, rather than running off at the mouth saying that we're all killing ourselves, and only HE, the inventor of the internet, pants, child labor, and other various things, can save us, he will likely beat both Obama and Clinton, unless Lieberman runs, then it's a toss up.
Should Lieberman run, I think the Democrat race becomes that much more interesting, almost a Ross Perot type situation. Lieberman is a solid statesman, and even though he supports the efforts in Iraq, I think more people will remember him for being realistic about issues. Hell, were there no Constitution party candidate that I liked, or Libertarian candidate that I trust, I'd vote for him. I know a lot of conservatives that do feel the same way. That Lieberman is a good man, and though we may not agree with his politics, we trust him to not **** up our country any worse than it is now.
I agree that the 'Pubbies are going to try and head right on this one, but I think they're going to fail. People are going to remember that this is the Congress, and president that increased the size of government, and gave legitimacy to illegal aliens, amongst wasting time with other moronic issues that have no place in federal law (homosexual marriage, and stem cell research for example).
This is either going to be a great election, because of the number of people running, or horrid, because it's going to be the status quo.
Gore...Al Gore...Al Bore. If he can worry about a real issue for once, rather than running off at the mouth saying that we're all killing ourselves, and only HE, the inventor of the internet, pants, child labor, and other various things, can save us, he will likely beat both Obama and Clinton, unless Lieberman runs, then it's a toss up.
Should Lieberman run, I think the Democrat race becomes that much more interesting, almost a Ross Perot type situation. Lieberman is a solid statesman, and even though he supports the efforts in Iraq, I think more people will remember him for being realistic about issues. Hell, were there no Constitution party candidate that I liked, or Libertarian candidate that I trust, I'd vote for him. I know a lot of conservatives that do feel the same way. That Lieberman is a good man, and though we may not agree with his politics, we trust him to not **** up our country any worse than it is now.
I agree that the 'Pubbies are going to try and head right on this one, but I think they're going to fail. People are going to remember that this is the Congress, and president that increased the size of government, and gave legitimacy to illegal aliens, amongst wasting time with other moronic issues that have no place in federal law (homosexual marriage, and stem cell research for example).
This is either going to be a great election, because of the number of people running, or horrid, because it's going to be the status quo.
Metastophicleas wrote:
I agree that Osama...
Quote:
he reminds me of the black Vulcan on Star Trek...Voyager...I think
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
lol
Witty, hell no, but it will make for a snappy comeback when someone finds one. I'm excited to hear it. For the record though, I don't dislike the guy. I just don't think he's got the standing yet to run for the White House, however, you have to admit that Osama Obama just kinda flows. That alone makes him fodder for the media. I can hear Rush now...well I can't, mostly because I can't stand him, but you get the point.
Yeah, the average American has no idea what a good t.v. show is anymore...and now we're left with American Idol, and things far worse. /sigh Wait, Scrubs is pretty good, so maybe there is hope for t.v. in the U.S.A.?
Witty, hell no, but it will make for a snappy comeback when someone finds one. I'm excited to hear it. For the record though, I don't dislike the guy. I just don't think he's got the standing yet to run for the White House, however, you have to admit that Osama Obama just kinda flows. That alone makes him fodder for the media. I can hear Rush now...well I can't, mostly because I can't stand him, but you get the point.
Yeah, the average American has no idea what a good t.v. show is anymore...and now we're left with American Idol, and things far worse. /sigh Wait, Scrubs is pretty good, so maybe there is hope for t.v. in the U.S.A.?
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