Put up, or shut upFollow

I would reinstate the draft, send 400,000 more troops to that country, walk them door to door and shoot directly between the eyes anyone found to be, or to be harboring, a terrorist, insurgent, etc. I would also declare the entire country to be a weapons free zone and have anyone found in possession of a firearm after the deadline for turn-ins shot directly between the eyes.

Except the Kurds. They like us.

I say we trade illegals amnesty for a couple tours in Iraq; two birds, one stone. Plus, Mexicans kind of look like Iragis, in my opinion, because they are all sort of brown and stuff.

First of all, don't delude yourself into believing that all republicans are from the south. Some of us northies still root for the Grand Old Party (although not necessarily Bush).

Secondly, if we stopped "sticking our noses in other people's business," the world would either: a) implode from the lack of financial and diplomatic support, or, more likely, b) criticize the US for not using its superior military and economic assets to help the starving children in Uganda, or the repressed women of the Middle East, or the [insert bleeding heart charity here]. Isolationism doesn't work anymore, and we'd be fools to believe it would.

Joph did indeed make a fine point.



Also as Tarv stated, Iraq is a hundred times worse now that it was under Saddam. Why? Because the Bush administration at every step of this whole debacle has handled the issue in the same manner that Joph outlined above.

Political and economic pressure to make Saddam comply was not really what they wanted so they skipped the United Nations and went it on their own (which is why the US is in on its own with the exception of a few notable allies such as Britain). The NSA/CIA had compiled a multi-volume work involving numerous think tanks on how to restructure Iraq if the US invaded Iraq. Part of the plan was integrating the Iraqi army into a national police force, Rumsfeld didnt like the idea so he scrapped the whole plan and went his own way. Now a large portion of the iraqi army is part of the insurgency. Giving the insurgency many trained fighters. Not only that but other key plans that were contained in the document were also ignored leading to even more problems. The Iraq Study Group says that involving Iran and Syria is key to a stable Iraq but Bush won't even consider it because of some bullheaded belief that any negotiations and talks with those two would somehow be 'giving in'.

Those are just three of the most glaring and disasterous examples caused by Bush's obstinate and myopic policies. They just flat out limit the possibilities and ignore anything else that is not part of Bushe's straight shooter agenda and viola they are now up sh'its creek without a paddle.

yes, it's bad in iraq right now but that dont mean it won't get better. just because it's bad right now don't mean it's gonna stay that way forever i'm sure this war will be over in couple years or maybe never. we have to finish this war through to the end, war is death get over it already people it's no big surprise that people die in wars. war will never be supported i mean look at the last couple we have had about the same "ratings" as iraq has now.

Okay, that got a smirk.

If the war was justified then it is their mess and that could be an option, but if the war was not justified, then it’s our mess, not theirs.

Also history has shown that even if the war is justified, leaving them to clean up their own mess just creates huge resentment against the victors, i.e. Germany between the world wars and them not so nice **** fellows. Since WW2 nation building has usually been the policy of the victor to prevent those types of occurrences.




Edited, Jan 19th 2007 10:35pm by fhrugby

I didn't read any of this thread.

I don't actually know how to read.

You realize these kids signed up for this duty? No one twisted their arms and forced them to sign that dotted line. I know it's a possiblility that any day MrKatie could be sent "over there". It's something you deal with. The troops are not all 18 year old drop outs that had no other option but to join. Many of our troops are very educated men and women. You only degrade them more when you portray them as uneducated political sacrifices.

Frankly Bush has put the States into another Vietnam situation. The states will not ever be able to sort this mess out, especially with Bush's "wit" and his cronies minds attempting to play chess (Ooooh what does the horsey looking piece do?! ).

If the military strategists do not learn and plan according to the way military strategy is played out in Iraq/Iran there is no possible way you can prepare the average american soldier for what they will face (yes it is possible to train your soldiers correctly) and before any one jumps on me about the american soldier in a patriotic fashion, the soldiers are fine is the training that is lacking. If you go in with Guns blazing you will get guns blazing at you.
I will use the death rate of the British Army vs the death rate of the american army statistically speaking during the invasion and capture of Iraq, check the numbers, it's startling to note the different percentage of death rates. Your military leaders need to stop treating the average soldier as a shield wall, they will die. Tactical combat would also be a good idea, strategy would be a good idea, so would reaching out to people as if they are people and not the enemy. I think the results would be amazing to the soldiers and the country as a whole if the occupiers (The US) would actually not treat them all as POW's.

Putting more troops in Iraq would just inflame the situation further. What should be done is a withdrawl to a point that the US can hold stable alone for I don't think they will be getting any support soon, that's what happens when a political leader tells the UN to go blow smoke up it's own *****
Once they have that boundry set start working with the people, the people of the country is what makes the country! Strange how that works! Learn how those people live and do things then use the brain that God gave you to figure out how to set up a governmental system that is stable and works for all of them.

One thing I've noticed about George Bush is he thinks every country in the world wants to be like the US and then gets pissy when he finds out he's wrong about that. Not everyone wants a dictator as a leader.

The fact that the number of United States Troops outnumber British Troops would have absolutely no bearing on that now would it?


Are you fucking retarded? Have you even been paying attention to the war? Sodiers in Iraq (regardless of nation) aren't grabbing bayonets, duct tapping them to a peashooter, putting on jungle war paint, and rushing into the glory of battle. It is Urban Warfare, it is slow, complicated, and highly dangerous. Every window, rooftop, or chimney potentially houses a sniper. Every car, truck, van, or SUV is potentially a road side bomb. We aren't talking about firecrackers, we're talking about bombs powerful enough to destroy tanks.

Why is it that most of you ignorant twats try to make a servicmember out to be dumb as a box of rocks. The average enlisted E-5 has at least an associates degree, now I know that is nothing compared to your fancy BA but considering their situation, thats pretty damn good. On top of that most of them do jobs (outside of the whole soldier thing) that is technical enough to where the majority of the people on these boards couldn't even shake a stick at, much less a wrench.

Tell me Laeinea, if I sat you in front of an M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank with a box of tools, in the heat of battle, and told you to repair it could you do it? That is just one of thousands of weapons used currently in the War in Iraq, and more generally, the War on Terror. So please, if you're going to be a ditsy *****, just stay in the kitchen and stay off the Internet.