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#1 Jan 17 2007 at 11:40 PM Rating: Good
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Does anyone else think that the defense "I'd like to see you give a better idea/plan" is weak sauce coming from the President in response to criticism of his new Iraq Strategery?

Does anyone else thing that the defense "I'd like to see you give a better idea/plan" is weak sauce com...
Yes :53 (80.3%)
No :13 (19.7%)
Total:66



The man is the President. He has some of the best resources and brilliants minds in the world at his disposal. When he uses this retort against people he purposefully left out of the consultation process, it really fumes me.

Frankly I expect better than a 'So what if my plan is complete *****, I'd like to see you come up with something better'. Hell that argument doesn't even cut mustard when me and the girlfriend are trying to decide what to do on a Friday evening, let alone when trying to handle an ever problematic war.

Edited, Jan 18th 2007 7:36am by bodhisattva

Edited, Jan 18th 2007 7:36am by bodhisattva
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#2 Jan 18 2007 at 1:46 AM Rating: Default
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Who the hell voted no?

Oh no. Wait! let me guess.....
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#3 Jan 18 2007 at 2:13 AM Rating: Decent
I agree it's a poor argument, especially considering he got us into this mess in the first place.

So now that the US is tied down in Iraq, has no chance in hell of killing all the terrorists/insurgents, and is in control of nothing except a few square miles in Baghdad, it's a bit rich to come up with that argument. And we all know that when he says this, he's waiting for the Democrats to answer "leave the place", and he can then acuse them of being defeatists, of "losing wars", and of "not being tough on the War on Terror".

Anyway, all this is doubly silly, since we all what's going to happen. The "surge" won't make any difference, and sooner or later, the US will slowly withdraw, whether under a Democratic or Republican adminstration.

The only alternative would involve far too much diplomatic efforts for the current administration. Talking to Iran, Syria, getting the UN involved, attempting to talk to the different militias and factions in Iraq, maybe getting some Muslim peace-keepers on the ground, fidning a real and permanent solution to the ISrael/Palestine conflict, all this won't happen under this administration, and chances are it would only make the situation a tiny bit better anyway.

The damage has been done, and there is no doubt that future mainstream historians will regard this war as an unecessary and utter failure.
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#4 Jan 18 2007 at 2:45 AM Rating: Decent
I dont remeber president bush saying that to any one maybe his people said it but never him i may be mistaken if you have a new article or maybe clip of him saying it.
#5 Jan 18 2007 at 4:46 AM Rating: Decent
I don't think it's new news that President Bush is a fucking moron.
#6 Jan 18 2007 at 8:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's a silly remark because the administration won't consider any plan which it doesn't agree with anyway. The Iraq Study Group gave Bush a plan and the administration is cherry picking out of it what it already wanted to do. Things such as talking to Syria & Iran and out of the question. Partitioning the country is out of the question. So, if that's your plan, Bush doesn't care. Immediate withdrawl isn't an option to Bush so, if that's your plan, Bush doesn't care. Starting phased withdrawals? Same thing. Other options that could be suggested are simply unworkable -- we can't send an extra 300,000 troops to Iraq because they don't exist. We can't reform a coalition to drum up a substantial number of extra troops because no one is going to join.

Should we talk to Syria? Should we immediately withdraw? Maybe not. But when the administration has narrowed the parameters for an acceptable plan that they'll consider down to what they're already doing, "well, tell us your plan" is a worthless platitude.
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#7 Jan 18 2007 at 8:53 AM Rating: Good
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I say we get North Korea to send a bunch of their military into Iraq. Tell 'em we'll give them sticks with nails in them and some rice for their trouble, oh and Jeniffer Aniston too.
#8 Jan 18 2007 at 9:05 AM Rating: Decent
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I expected more from the big bad president.
#9 Jan 18 2007 at 10:39 AM Rating: Good
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More than a platitude, it's completely irrelevant. His job as President is to come up with and defend these kinds of decisions, which people could or could not agree with. To say "Oh yeah, bigshot, what would YOU have done?" is the kind of kneejerk response I would expect from a teenager, not the so-called leader of the free world.
#10 Jan 19 2007 at 12:37 PM Rating: Decent
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This is also the man that said "Where there's water there's air and where there's air we can breathe."

Yeah, he fails.
#11 Jan 19 2007 at 12:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Uh, well that statement leaves out the simple oxygen generator required, but basically yeah, if you have water you can easily make air from it.
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