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#27 Jan 17 2007 at 11:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's pretty much a given that Obama will make his grand announcement in Springfield, IL, against the backdrop of Abraham Lincoln who (on the federal level) served a single term in the House before becoming president.

I'd be curious to know exactly what people fear he's inexperienced about. He spent ten years as a Constitutional professor, eight years as state senator, a couple years now as a US senator including serving on the Foreign Relations and Homeland Security committees... I guess I just don't see what he's expected to learn in another six years. Compared to Bush (who I only mentioned because I don't remember "inexperience" being a key criticism of him) who only had a single term as governor, I'd say that Obama is qualified. I know that governor is an executive position, but it's not as though I'd trust most state governors to negotiate with Syria or anything.
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#28 Jan 17 2007 at 12:02 PM Rating: Good
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I think that if and when he comes close to getting anywhere that some people are going to try to assasinate him.
I know this is why Colin Powell never seriously considered running, and Obama's stated that it's a concern for him, as well. I suppose someone has to take the first step, though, and he's got such support.


Are you sure it's not because Powell hooked his wagon to Bush's and found himself shortly afterwards tossed to the side of the road?
#29 Jan 17 2007 at 12:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm sure that solidified his decision, but he had made the statement that he would not run for President before then. His wife was adamantly opposed, possibly because of the possibility of assassination.
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#30 Jan 17 2007 at 12:18 PM Rating: Default
Yup, Colin Powell was the most electable black man in America. But George Bush took him completely off the radar. You could picture James Earl Jones playing Powell as president. Who do you see playing Obama as a realistic president? The guy who played the black president of the future in the fifth element? Think Denzel Washington could play a realistic black president? A black version of Exodus's bunny avatar? Nope.

The conspiracy is to get an unelectable grandiose talking likeable black candidate assasinated so that the left can play the affirmative action race card and demand that every presidential vote include a black candidate the same way every nfl team must interview a minority candidate. Sounds just as good as the Bush was responsible for 9/11 conspiracies.
#31 Jan 17 2007 at 12:22 PM Rating: Decent
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#32 Jan 17 2007 at 12:29 PM Rating: Decent
Well bring on the bong, I'll vote for the man.
#33 Jan 17 2007 at 6:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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What we need is a half-black, half-hispanic, gay, jewish female, midgit. Get it all over with at once.


Don't mind me. Just making a correction here...


I think when people talk about Obama's lack of experience, they're talking about both federal level in general, and "executive experience" in particular.

It's not just his short time in Congress. He has minimal experience operating at a federal level *at all*. Even working in a senior staff position at that level would count. He's got none. To my knowledge, he's done *nothing* at a federal level before being elected to Congress. That's a big deal. Most significant presidential candidates either have *long* stints in Congress, or have served at a high state level (governor for example, where you do work with the federal executive level quite a bit), or have served in senior positions in past administrations (cabinet level stuff typically). Obama has none of those.

He's also got no executive experience. There's a reason why the second two catagories I listed are far more common sources for successful presidential bids. Governors and senior presidential administration staff tend to do very well historically. In both cases, they've got experience running in an executive style capacity, which is radically different from legistlative offices.

Obama's in the worst of all catagories. No executive experience *and* short term in Congress *and* no other direct work with/in the federal level. I just think that makes him really questionable as a lead candidate. He might work as a Vice President, but even that's questionable. VP's are typically chosen for two reasons: They can bring in more districts to the ticket (which he *might*) *and* they bring some experience and/or contacts that are useful at the executive level. Obaman kinda meets the first criteria, but not the second. Obviously, those criteria aren't set in stone, and there are lots of VPs who didn't meet them, but I suspect he'd be pretty ineffective as vice president (a Dan Quayle if you will). I suppose if all you care about is winning the White House for Democrats, then this doesn't matter, but I would hope that voters would look beyond that when voting (sadly, my hopes in this manner are often proven wrong).

I don't know if Clinton can win either. In her case, she's got the necessary experience. In spades in fact. Being First Lady to a previous administration is about the best experience builder for learning how to be an effective president as I can think of. Her problem is the opposite of Obama's. Where he is charismatic and likable, she is mostly effective at making people dislike her. The word "shrill" comes to mind when thinking of her. She has an amazing ability to frame her positions in a way designed to maximize the number of people who dislike her for her position, even among people who might otherwise support her. That's a bad tendency for a presidential hopeful.


I'm honestly thinking that someone like Edwards would have a better chance at actually winning the whole thing. Not sure if the Dem primary process will give him the chance though. We'll see...
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#35 Jan 17 2007 at 6:12 PM Rating: Good
It's really too bad GWB can't run again. He is so awesome. We can always hold out for Jeb though! Yeeeeehaaaaw!
#36 Jan 17 2007 at 7:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'd love to see Jeb Bush run, if only for the entertainment value of his train wreck daughters.
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#37 Jan 17 2007 at 7:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Maybe I should run this year. i mean, come on, it seems like the Dems are letting anyone run.
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#38 Jan 17 2007 at 7:53 PM Rating: Good
I'll vote for you, Kao!
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#40 Feb 15 2007 at 1:25 AM Rating: Good
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I just came across this post now. In my defense I have been away from the board caring for my wife who underwent major surgery recently. I make a very good male nurse.

Obama, a fellow dusky hued brah, is interesting to me. I'll be watching closely to see if he is able to be his own man or if the lefty/crazy wing of the Dems and the more radical blacks like Jesse Jackson and Sharpton will force him to dance to their tune in order to get elected.

However, I promise to enlighten you ghosts how us darkies think in the upcoming months.

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#41 Feb 15 2007 at 6:34 AM Rating: Good
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I just came across this post now. In my defense I have been away from the board caring for my wife who underwent major surgery recently.
I know I should ask if she's ok, but I think what everyone wants to know is: Do they feel real?

Personally I don't find him all that interesting. I like the idea of having a black dude in the White house if for no other reason than they can finally say "We did it!" and be done with it. Sure, I suppose it's a big deal for racial equality and all that happy ********* but a man is a man and the color of his skin doesn't mean a damn thing when it comes to running a country. Honestly, the only reason I stop to watch him while flipping through the channels is because I keep waiting for him to bust out singing Mambo #5.
#42 Feb 15 2007 at 6:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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Totem wrote:
In my defense I have been away from the board caring for my wife who underwent major surgery recently.
I hope she's doing well. Although, if she's at home, I suppose at least it's well enough for her to be out of the hospital.

Edited, Feb 15th 2007 6:38am by Jophiel
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#43 Feb 15 2007 at 8:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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Best wishes to Mrs. Totem. She's obviously a woman of steel if she's put up with you for 20+ years, so I'm sure she'll be fine.
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#44 Feb 15 2007 at 9:24 AM Rating: Good
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Totem wrote:
Obama, a fellow dusky hued brah, is interesting to me. I'll be watching closely to see if he is able to be his own man or if the lefty/crazy wing of the Dems and the more radical blacks like Jesse Jackson and Sharpton will force him to dance to their tune in order to get elected.
That point of veiw is interesting to me. I read a local West Side paper the other day where the head of African-American Studies at UMD talks about how black folks shouldn't automatically support Obama, because he hasn't shown that he's truly down with the black agenda, and he mentions how he'll have to see how he reacts to Sharpton running and putting pressure on him to address black issues. I found this intolerably amusing, since Sharpton has the influence (and hair) of a woodland rodent.
#45 Feb 15 2007 at 9:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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Which black agenda? It's not as though there were a united front in what we loosely refer to as the black community.
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#46 Feb 15 2007 at 9:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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the black agenda, you know, it's out there with the gay agenda, the midget agenda, the female agenda, the bald agenda, and the ear hair agenda
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#47 Feb 15 2007 at 9:37 AM Rating: Good
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Which black agenda? It's not as though there were a united front in what we loosely refer to as the black community.
Apparently, there is. The NAACP gives each Congress a report card of sorts on its opinion of the Congress' treatment of "civil rights issues". Included in the definition are topics like the minimum wage, health care, budget issues, education, gun control, voting rights, low income energy assistance, community development, criminal justice and trade.

National Black Agenda 2004 was a forum held for blacks to evaluate the 2004 presidential candidates.
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Through workshops and plenary sessions — including the Youth Day kick-off on Wednesday, March 17 — NBAC attendees will examine new ways to create better educational opportunities for America’s children, address concerns about housing and economic development in black communities, improve health care for all, reduce poverty and unemployment, and support the development of new and growing black-owned business ventures. Conveners also plan for delegates and participants to help develop a scorecard that individuals, from the largest urban centers to the smallest rural communities, can use to evaluate political candidates based on their stance on issues raised at NBAC 2004.
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Totem, here's to hoping she recovers quickly and you get some rest yourself.
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#49 Feb 15 2007 at 9:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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I wonder how many black people / politicians actually care about the NAACP report card.
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I wonder how many black people / politicians actually care about the NAACP report card.
I imagine it's not good PR to get a bad grade on it. They do probably try to avoid it.

Edited, Feb 15th 2007 11:47am by Atomicflea
#51 Feb 15 2007 at 9:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Danalog the Vengeful Programmer wrote:
I wonder how many black people / politicians actually care about the NAACP report card.


Or how many people think civil rights are confined to issues of racial minorities, much less ONE racial minority.
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