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#1 Jan 16 2007 at 1:20 PM Rating: Good
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I'm sure you folks have heard about this:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/01/15/uterus.transplant.ap/index.html

MILWAUKEE, Wisconsin (AP) -- A New York hospital is taking steps to offer the first uterus transplant in the United States, a radical experiment that might allow women whose wombs were removed or are defective to bear children.

The wombs would come from dead donors, just as most other organs for transplants do, and would be removed after the recipient gives birth so she would not need anti-rejection drugs her whole life.


Is this an ethical can of worms? Not only would there likely be potential medical hazard to the recipient of the donated womb, but also to the fetus that begins to grow inside if the organ was rejected. Not to mention the harsh medications that a woman would have to take throughout pregnancy to bring the child to term.

Is this a path that medical science, and ultimately the human race, should travel? Traditional donation of organs has most often been to save lives. The recipient needs the organ to survive but this is not so in the case of womb transplants. I realize that there are transplants to enhance quality of life too. For instance, eyes are transplanted and they are not a life or death procedure. They allow blind people to see. Simple. So, should barren women be given the chance to bear children? Or should nature be allowed to determine (so much as it does now anyway) who can and cannot?

What do you think? And would you ever accept a donated uterus if your situation came to that?
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#2 Jan 16 2007 at 1:34 PM Rating: Good
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Weird. I know I wouldn't take a donated uterus. The idea of taking anti-rejection drugs during the entire pregnancy would just terrify me of the possible affects it would have on the baby. Also, after adopting already, I know that I would go the adoption route.
#3 Jan 16 2007 at 1:35 PM Rating: Decent
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What do you think? And would you ever accept a donated uterus if your situation came to that?


Why, when I could go down to the local morgue and get a fresh one every night?
#4 Jan 16 2007 at 1:36 PM Rating: Decent
This is a very slippery slope and will no doubt lead to this.
#5 Jan 16 2007 at 1:55 PM Rating: Good
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I couldn't do it. It would freak me out, but far be it for me to deny someone the motherhood experience if they truly want it bad enough to Frankenstein their babymaker.
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What if it was a brain-dead woman on life support with a transplanted womb full of Snowflake babies? What would the ethical considerations be then?

I have no strong ethical/moral qualms against the procedure itself (aside from some 'ick' factor) but I'd be very curious in the medical science behind it; most notably the effect of the medications upon the fetus and the chance of a successful pregnancy.
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Could I fill it with pennies and hit people with it?
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#7 Jan 16 2007 at 2:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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Wouldn't that be Francesenstein?
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#8 Jan 16 2007 at 2:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Dunno about accepting a uterus, I'm a bloke and a vegetarian at that.

But what about a tongue transplant? Imagine waking up with someone elses tongue... that would truly be icky.

And would it make you speak with the donors accent?

And a preference for sugar in your coffee, whereas before you had it without.....
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#9 Jan 16 2007 at 2:43 PM Rating: Good
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Wouldn't that be Francesenstein?
Igorus.
#10 Jan 16 2007 at 2:58 PM Rating: Good
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this thread delivers.
can't beat hot ***** uterus action...

YES!! PUT YOUR UTERUS IN ME!! LIKE THAT!!! YEAHH!!!


ok, I'm done.
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#11 Jan 16 2007 at 3:24 PM Rating: Good
"Man recieves ***** and ******** transplant from Horse. Wife very satisfied."
#12 Jan 16 2007 at 3:26 PM Rating: Good
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#13 Jan 16 2007 at 3:41 PM Rating: Decent
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I read it as:

WombaTransplant


Yours is missing the a.
#14 Jan 16 2007 at 5:10 PM Rating: Good
It's against God. If you're uterus is missing or defective it means he does not want you making bebes. There's always adoption, or kidnapping.
#15 Jan 16 2007 at 5:30 PM Rating: Good
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I don't have any strong feelings, but my immediate thought is that if you can not have children on your own biologically, and still want a child, there are plenty of kids out there waiting to be adopted into a loving home.
#16 Jan 16 2007 at 5:44 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't have any strong feelings, but my immediate thought is that if you can not have children on your own biologically, and still want a child, there are plenty of kids out there waiting to be adopted into a loving home.


Yeah. I admit, I'm a little judgemental on this aspect of things, especially considering the number of women I've encountered who have had years and years of struggles with fertility issues. You'd think I'd be a little more sympathetic, but what it basically comes down to is that spending years of heartache and frustration and tens of thousands of dollars so that you can spawn a kid from your own loins is just plain old STUPID when there are so many children in need of good homes, if you're willing to adopt someone other than the Perfect White Infant.

Mr. Ambrya and I agreed long before we started trying to conceive that if it should happen that we encountered fertility troubles, we'd give an effort to the run-on-the-mill, non-invasive stuff (i.e. going on Clomid if it turned out we were having anovulatory cycles) but we'd draw the line at things like laparoscopic surgery and IVF and such, and just adopt. I guess neither of us have that intense of a need to pass our genes along that we're willing to go to that sort of heartache and expense. I would regret missing the opportunity to experience pregnancy, because it's been a subject of endless fascination for me since childhood, but I would ultimately be okay with it.

As is it, we will almost certainly end up adopting anyway. We'll have this kid, and we'll give some consideration to having one more, but we won't have more than two of our own, because with overpopulation becoming the problem it is, that just seems irresponsible. Either way, we feel a pretty intense obligation to share our home with a child who needs it, so we will almost certainly adopt a non-white, special-needs non-infant. And not one of these overseas vanity "oh look at my Cambodian import!" adoptions either.





Edited, Jan 16th 2007 5:41pm by Ambrya
#17 Jan 16 2007 at 5:51 PM Rating: Good
I think the drugs required would make carring an baby to term very hazzardous. Then there is the care that a infant with special needs requires and how to pay for that care. As a women that had a hysterectomy before the age of 28 and has no children, I do not think it is appropriate.
#18 Jan 17 2007 at 4:51 AM Rating: Good
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Ambrya wrote:
And not one of these overseas vanity "oh look at my Cambodian import!" adoptions either.


So, Namibian then?

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#19 Jan 17 2007 at 12:18 PM Rating: Good
I think this is just a whole pile of Ewww topped in Yuck.

Getting a surrogate is definately the way to go as opposed to the problems and risk involved here. Has humanity become that vain? Smiley: disappointed
#20 Jan 18 2007 at 8:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Like it or hate it, the human body is, in essance, a biological machine. If you get a car that has a crappy stereo, what do you do? Do you say "well, that sucks, the stereo is broken, woe is me..." or do you go "hmm... I like music, I think I will install a new one!"

It's no different here. If a body organ fails to work the way it is suppose to, there's nothing wrong with replacing it with one that works properly. Why let good "hardware" go to rot? If you had a nice '50s Trans-am that's engine was blown, but had great bucket-seats, would you send the whole thing to the junk pile to rot? No--you'd take the seats out and sell them to someone who could use them.

We already do this, all the time, with hearts, livers, kidneys, etc. taken from people who have died who no longer need them. Why should wombs be any different?

Once cloning does get underway (which it will... no science can be outlawed forever, it just goes underground) you'll see lots of organ-parts grown in labs and you'll think nothing more about getting a lung transplant than you would about getting an air filter changed.

Further along the future, I see a period where many organs, muscles, etc. will be replaced by superior mechanical parts that extend life considerably. But that's a whole different ball game.
#21 Jan 18 2007 at 9:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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We already do this, all the time, with hearts, livers, kidneys, etc. taken from people who have died who no longer need them. Why should wombs be any different?


Because unlike the organs you mentioned, a womb is not necessary to support the life of the host. Because as has been mentioned several times in this thread, the anti-rejection drugs are potentially very, very problematic for the developing fetus.

Any other questions?
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#22 Jan 18 2007 at 9:53 AM Rating: Good
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Further along the future, I see a period where many organs...will be replaced by superior...parts that extend...considerably. But that's a whole different ball game.


The future is in my pants.

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#23 Jan 18 2007 at 10:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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EndrilRM wrote:

Further along the future, I see a period where many organs...will be replaced by superior...parts that extend...considerably. But that's a whole different ball game.


The future is in my pants.

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The future is a rolled-up sweat sock?

Well, that's just great.
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#24 Jan 18 2007 at 10:23 AM Rating: Good
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The future is a rolled-up sweat sock?

Oh, there's at least three of them in there. The future is multifaceted.
#25 Jan 19 2007 at 11:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Samira wrote:
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We already do this, all the time, with hearts, livers, kidneys, etc. taken from people who have died who no longer need them. Why should wombs be any different?


Because unlike the organs you mentioned, a womb is not necessary to support the life of the host. Because as has been mentioned several times in this thread, the anti-rejection drugs are potentially very, very problematic for the developing fetus.

Any other questions?


Sure... eyes aren't needed to support a person's life, but they sure are convenient to have.
#26 Jan 19 2007 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
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EndrilRM wrote:
Samira wrote:
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We already do this, all the time, with hearts, livers, kidneys, etc. taken from people who have died who no longer need them. Why should wombs be any different?


Because unlike the organs you mentioned, a womb is not necessary to support the life of the host. Because as has been mentioned several times in this thread, the anti-rejection drugs are potentially very, very problematic for the developing fetus.

Any other questions?


Sure... eyes aren't needed to support a person's life, but they sure are convenient to have.


So, you're saying that just because a woman wants a uterus it should be given to her. ***** the risk to the patient and fetus.
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