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#1 Jan 15 2007 at 9:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- Mike Buday isn't married to his last name. In fact, he and his fiancee decided before they wed that he would take hers.

But Buday was stunned to learn that he couldn't simply become Mike Bijon when they married in 2005.

As in most other states, that would require some bureaucratic paperwork well beyond what a woman must go through to change her name when marrying.

Instead of completing the expensive, time-consuming process, Buday and his wife, Diana Bijon, enlisted the American Civil Liberties Union and filed a discrimination lawsuit against the state of California. They claim the difficulty faced by a husband seeking to change his name violates the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment.
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Bijon, 28, approached Buday about the idea when they were dating. She had no brothers but wanted to prolong the family name. Buday, a 29-year-old developer of interactive advertising, was estranged from his own father and was not attached to his own last name.

"I knew immediately it was pretty important to her or else she wouldn't have brought it up," Buday said.

At one point, the couple tried the Department of Motor Vehicles to get a name change. But Buday said he was told by a woman behind the counter: "Men just don't do that type of thing."
Not that I'm planning on changing my name but I guess this brings up a couple of questions:

(A) Ladies, how did or would you handle the surname issue in the event of marriage? Do you have strong feelings about it? Is the notion of changing surnames antiquated?
(B) Any men ever think about taking their wife's surname? Either because she wanted it or just to dump a terrible surname? ("I can change from Harribalz to Smith? Sign me up!")
(C) Should men have equal access to name changes in the event of marriage as women do?
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#2 Jan 15 2007 at 9:43 AM Rating: Good
A) N/A
B) No
C) Yes they should. Men should be able to do anything women can do, just better.




Edited, Jan 15th 2007 12:34pm by Elderon
#3 Jan 15 2007 at 9:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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A: N/A
B: No, since Sarah's last name is way way worse than mine
C: Of course
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#4 Jan 15 2007 at 9:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Not that I'm planning on changing my name but I guess this brings up a couple of questions:

(A) Ladies, how did or would you handle the surname issue in the event of marriage? Do you have strong feelings about it? Is the notion of changing surnames antiquated?
(B) Any men ever think about taking their wife's surname? Either because she wanted it or just to dump a terrible surname? ("I can change from Harribalz to Smith? Sign me up!")
(C) Should men have equal access to name changes in the event of marriage as women do?


Personally I don't think so. Equal rights are great and all, but it gets to a point where it becomes a hassle and this isn't really a rights issue so much as identification. How many things are based on your mothers maiden name for identification purposes for example. They're just minor things but our entire society is designed around these minor things. It's not sexist, it's not prejudice, it's simple, it's common, it's understood and there is no logical reason to go to the trouble of changing it.

If you want to change your last name fine, but it's not as common for a man to change his last name as it is for a woman. There are procedures in place and systems already designed to change the wife's name. There's no need to spend millions of dollars (and it will be millions) rewriting all of these systems and forms for the grand total of 5 men that are going to want to do this.

Those 5 men that actually decide to do this can change it using the current name change system. A little extra paperwork for these 5 people doesn't justify a change to the entire marital system.

Edited, Jan 15th 2007 12:44pm by Yodabunny
#5 Jan 15 2007 at 9:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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According to the full article, ~1% of men opt to take their spouses' name when they get married.
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#6 Jan 15 2007 at 9:53 AM Rating: Decent
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According to the full article, ~1% of men opt to take their spouses' name when they get married.


Really? I wouldn't think it would be that high. Well 1% may be high enough to justify changes.
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The Census Bureau does not keep figures on how many U.S. men are taking their brides' names. But clearly it happening more and more. Milwaukee County, Wisconsin, Clerk Mark Ryan estimated that one in every 100 grooms there now takes the name of his wife.
Admittedly, that's not hard data.
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It's not a question of whether or not men should be able to take their wife's surname, but rather a question of how to go about changing identification to conform to such an event. I mean, have any of you guys ever been asked for your maiden name? The banking industry would have a collective fit.
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#9 Jan 15 2007 at 10:08 AM Rating: Decent
She lost the coin toss, ergo she took my name. Seriously.

However, she hyphenates her name, anyhow. It's nice because we both had professional publications under our "maiden" names and no one much comments when she publishes under a hyphenated name which includes her maiden name. If I switched, however, and I wouldn't have hyphenated, people might think I was trying to claim another person's work as my own.

Edited, Jan 15th 2007 3:43pm by yossarian
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How many things are based on your mothers maiden name for identification purposes for example.


I'm pretty sure they didn't want to change his fiancee's mother's name, just his. And if two people named Smith get married to each other would they have a problem?

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There are procedures in place and systems already designed to change the wife's name.


Because, what, men's names are surgically attached to them? They'll have to change the initials in all their underwear when they go to camp?

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There's no need to spend millions of dollars (and it will be millions) rewriting all of these systems and forms


Yeah, you'd totally need completely special forms if the FirstName field contained Lily instead George. But what form would you use for a boy named Sue?


#11 Jan 15 2007 at 10:13 AM Rating: Good
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I mean, have any of you guys ever been asked for your maiden name?
That would be silly. Maiden is a female word. I think to make it main-stream, the vocabulary would have to change. The PC version is most likely "pre-wedding name".
#12 Jan 15 2007 at 10:14 AM Rating: Good
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A: N/A
B: No, since Sarah's last name is way way worse than mine
C: Of course


Pretty much the same.
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#13 Jan 15 2007 at 10:44 AM Rating: Good
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When my ex and I got married she asked me if it was ok if she continued to use her maiden name professionaly (more of a "you wont be mad if I do...") not only did I not have a problem with that I told her we are getting married, I'm not buying her so if she liked she could keep her last name. So she kept it. In my bitter moments I wished she had changed it only because it would have made it that much more of a pain when for her when we got divorced.
#14 Jan 15 2007 at 10:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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A) I hate my last name, I have considered paying to change it! Marriage doesn't look like an option, so that's probably the way to go.
B) N/A
C) Yes
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Jophiel wrote:
(A) Ladies, how did or would you handle the surname issue in the event of marriage? Do you have strong feelings about it? Is the notion of changing surnames antiquated?
(B) Any men ever think about taking their wife's surname? Either because she wanted it or just to dump a terrible surname? ("I can change from Harribalz to Smith? Sign me up!")
(C) Should men have equal access to name changes in the event of marriage as women do?


(A) I changed my name the week I got married. Went to Social Security, the DMV and other places to show that my name was different. However, I dropped my given middle name and my maiden name became my middle name. When I sign my name, I write my middle initial instead of writing out my maiden name. For me, it was becoming a unified front with my husband and it just makes life easier.

(B) No way would have hubby taken my surname. My maiden name is horrible.

(C) Yes they should. And of course, this leads into the whole same-sex marriage issue as who does the name change, if any, there?
#16 Jan 15 2007 at 11:24 AM Rating: Good
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(C) Yes they should. And of course, this leads into the whole same-sex marriage issue as who does the name change, if any, there?
The effeminate one of course!
#17 Jan 15 2007 at 11:28 AM Rating: Good
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A. before I was married I had a friend marry and her new last name was awful! She went from Capone to Hickey. I decided then and there if my future husband had such an awful surname Id keep my own. Fortunately the hubby had a decent sounding surname.If hubby had wanted to change his name to mine though it wouldnt have bothered me.

B. N/A

C. I dont see why a name change should be such a big deal when couples marry either way. Seems silly that one sex can change their last name because thats how it has always been done while another has a harder time. The basis of the name change is to show a unity in a new family, be it the male or the females surname taken, IMO

#18 Jan 15 2007 at 11:37 AM Rating: Decent
B) I'm not taking her last name. It's not mine. So I wasn't going to act like a caveman and just expect the wife to take mine. So, instead I asked her what she wanted to do. She chose to take my name and keep her maiden as a middle name. Ok, that's cool with me.

C) Yes. 100%

This social perception of the way the sexes works is increasingly retarded. People are flabbergasted when I drop the bomb that I plan to be the stay at home parent because my wife is 1: Smarter then me. 2: A lawyer. You can't just drop court because the kids have the flu. So I'm going to have the more flexible job/part-time.

I can re-furbish furniture at home.


Also, it's more expensive (in Mike Buday's case) Cost like 50 clams for the women to have a name change and over 300 squids for men to do the same.
#19 Jan 15 2007 at 11:47 AM Rating: Good
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because my wife is 1: Smarter then me. 2: A lawyer.
You married Niobia?!?!!eleventyone1!!??
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(A) Ladies, how did or would you handle the surname issue in the event of marriage? Do you have strong feelings about it? Is the notion of changing surnames antiquated?


It is antiquated, and I admit there's a small part of me that balked against it, but I had to ask myself why. I had no special attachment to my maiden name--it belonged to the man my mother was married to at the time of my birth, but I never knew the man and he was not my biological father. Plus, the name itself sucked and I'd been teased about it ever since my first day at kindergarten, so honestly, why WOULDN'T I change it?

So, first time I was married, I changed names, and then I kept that name even after the divorce, because in addition to having no real desire to reclaim my maiden name, it was just easier to keep the name in which all my bills/banking information/employment information/etc were set up.

With this marriage, I changed names again, because once more, I had no real reason to keep the name I was using prior to the marriage (and being married to another man while using my ex-husband's name would have been...weird.)

So yeah, I changed, but not without a few thoughts to the sexism inherent in the tradition.

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(C) Should men have equal access to name changes in the event of marriage as women do?


Absolutely. The entire idea that they can't is absurd.

#21 Jan 15 2007 at 12:03 PM Rating: Good
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I'd been teased about it ever since my first day at kindergarten, so honestly, why WOULDN'T I change it?

I went to school with a girl who's last name was Buttvillas. She never outgrew the nicknames from childhood.

If they wanted to make a useful law, they should require all name changes to be put through two screenings. One with a group of 5-10 year olds and one with a group of 13-16 year olds. If both groups concur that the name isn't too funny, you can change your name.
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If they wanted to make a useful law, they should require all name changes to be put through two screenings. One with a group of 5-10 year olds and one with a group of 13-16 year olds. If both groups concur that the name isn't too funny, you can change your name.



We tried to use this logic when going through names for our kids. I think it would be a decent law =)
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Demea wrote:
I mean, have any of you guys ever been asked for your maiden name?
That would be silly. Maiden is a female word. I think to make it main-stream, the vocabulary would have to change. The PC version is most likely "pre-civil-union name".

Fixed for more PCness.
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#24 Jan 15 2007 at 12:26 PM Rating: Decent
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because my wife is 1: Smarter then me. 2: A lawyer.
You married Niobia?!?!!eleventyone1!!??


Let's not get hasty here...

I married her E-lawyer. Ya frikken cyber-bully.
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Elderon wrote:
Demea wrote:
I mean, have any of you guys ever been asked for your maiden name?
That would be silly. Maiden is a female word. I think to make it main-stream, the vocabulary would have to change. The PC version is most likely "pre-wedding name".


Birth name, imo.

"Pre-wedding name" sounds like it was part of an extended ritual involving several changes. Which may be close to the truth, but I don't see it as the intent.

Of course "birth name" kinda sounds like the secret name you mother gave you at the time of your birth, but there you go.

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#26 Jan 15 2007 at 12:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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Joph obviously knows my feelings on the subject, but in my birth culture, a woman never loses her maiden name. If you are Maria Lopez and you marry Pepe Perez, you become Maria Lopez de Perez, o Señora de Perez. Your child Lupe would be Lupe Perez Lopez. I never expected to have to change my last name, and to do so would make me feel like I was losing part of my identity. I plan to hyphenate for any future kids' sake, although Joph, bless him, is secure enough not to care.
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