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#1 Jan 05 2007 at 10:46 AM Rating: Good
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Most infant seats flunk crash test
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Most of the infant car seats tested by Consumer Reports "failed disastrously" in crashes at speeds as low as 35 mph, the magazine reported Thursday.

The seats came off their bases or twisted in place, the report said. In one case, a test dummy was hurled 30 feet.

Of the 12 car seats tested, Consumer Reports said it could recommend only two, and it urged a federal recall of the poorest performing seat, the Evenflo Discovery.


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Edited, Jan 5th 2007 12:44pm by Atomicflea
#2 Jan 05 2007 at 10:57 AM Rating: Good
That's why we keep the baby locked down in the spare tire port of the trunk.

In more serious news, I own one of of the two that were recommended. Go Me!

Edited, Jan 5th 2007 1:55pm by Frakkor
#3 Jan 05 2007 at 11:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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#4 Jan 05 2007 at 11:03 AM Rating: Good
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Two words: Bubble wrap.
50 Fluffy goose-down pillows are less likely to cause accidental asphyxiation than bubble wrap.
#5 Jan 05 2007 at 11:18 AM Rating: Good
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Let me tell you, not a lot of things shake me here, but the sight of a mangled 4 year old being wheeled in from flying from the back seat through the windshield, his mother screaming because they wouldn't let her follow him into the trauma bay sure did the trick.

#6 Jan 05 2007 at 11:22 AM Rating: Good
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Let me tell you, not a lot of things shake me here, but the sight of a mangled 4 year old being wheeled in from flying from the back seat through the windshield, his mother screaming because they wouldn't let her follow him into the trauma bay sure did the trick.
Did the kid make it?

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#7 Jan 05 2007 at 11:24 AM Rating: Decent
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I was rather pleased that the Graco SnugRide was one of the two they approved, as that's the one I registered for.
#8 Jan 05 2007 at 11:27 AM Rating: Decent
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I remember see an SUV go around a corner, a car seat complete with kid come flying out and the bady landing on it's head on the tar. This was quite a few years ago.

It was a residential road so the car wasn't going that fast. We were on foot and so the first ones at the baby. It was crying..(shew), but had lots of nasty skid marks on it's head. No one dared move the thing til the professionals got there. Word was that there was no permanent damage of any sort,,,sure was a shocker to see though.

Turns out the mother hadn't bothered strapping the seat into the car. Apparently the biggest failure of car seats is people not using them right.
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#9 Jan 05 2007 at 11:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Turns out the mother hadn't bothered strapping the seat into the car. Apparently the biggest failure of car seats is people not using them right.


Hence the reason we're having a professional install ours, or at least inspect the installation. I'm okay with the seat-belt ones, but these new LATCH systems confuzzle me.
#10 Jan 05 2007 at 11:36 AM Rating: Good
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Elderon wrote:
Atomicflea wrote:
Let me tell you, not a lot of things shake me here, but the sight of a mangled 4 year old being wheeled in from flying from the back seat through the windshield, his mother screaming because they wouldn't let her follow him into the trauma bay sure did the trick.
Did the kid make it?

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Nah. He was brain-dead, and they turned him off. He was in a seat, but not strapped in.
#11 Jan 05 2007 at 11:41 AM Rating: Good
Atomicflea wrote:
Elderon wrote:
Atomicflea wrote:
Let me tell you, not a lot of things shake me here, but the sight of a mangled 4 year old being wheeled in from flying from the back seat through the windshield, his mother screaming because they wouldn't let her follow him into the trauma bay sure did the trick.
Did the kid make it?

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Nah. He was brain-dead, and they turned him off. He was in a seat, but not strapped in.


Smiley: cry

Stupid *** parents.
#12 Jan 05 2007 at 11:44 AM Rating: Decent
My mom is certified by the state to inspect carseat installation. Every 3 months or so they have a safety inspection at a AAA or CHP office. Her top three issues are 1) seat not secured properly to the car, 2) carseat in the front seat in cars with airbags, 3) people who buy broken seats from a "friend".

She said one person had rear facing carseat duct-taped, facing forward in the front seat. The car didn't have any working seatbelts either.

Edited, Jan 5th 2007 11:39am by BloodwolfeX
#13 Jan 05 2007 at 11:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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She said one person had rear facing carseat duct-taped, facing forward in the front seat. The car didn't have any working seatbelts either.


Well, who needs them newfangled seat belts when you've still got duct tape left over?
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#14 Jan 05 2007 at 11:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ambrya wrote:

Hence the reason we're having a professional install ours, or at least inspect the installation. I'm okay with the seat-belt ones, but these new LATCH systems confuzzle me.


You probably already know this, but a general FYI: There are people certified to put in car seats at most fire departments and police stations and they do it for free. I had mine installed at the police department the first time, and my ex-husband went through it with the officer to learn how to do it the right way for future reference.

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#15 Jan 05 2007 at 12:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Nexa wrote:

You probably already know this, but a general FYI: There are people certified to put in car seats at most fire departments and police stations and they do it for free. I had mine installed at the police department the first time, and my ex-husband went through it with the officer to learn how to do it the right way for future reference.

Nexa


Actually, I wasn't aware of that, thanks for the tip! I had thought we'd have it done at the car dealership, or at one baby boutique where they offer the service--don't know what it would have cost, but it's nice to know we have other options. Thanks!

#16 Jan 05 2007 at 12:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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I bet that expanding spray foam stuff would work really well too in conjunction with teh bubble wrap and duct tape!
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#17 Jan 05 2007 at 12:34 PM Rating: Good
This is something I deal with all too frequently in my line of work. Personally I blame the car manufactures for making these new vehicles to "flimsy".

If anyone has ever had the fun redneck pleasure of entering a demolition derby they know what I'm talking about. The old cars took a serious beating before actually endangering the occupants. I have no fear when I'm in a 76-77 or older car in the demo's, but when I use a new vehicle 80's and up I actually get scared of getting hurt.
#18 Jan 05 2007 at 12:40 PM Rating: Good
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saw this last night and the safety seat I have, the Baby trend Flex Loc, was one of the two that passed this inspection. There was a video on CNN that showed a couple of the tests and it was horrific to watch. If I had had any of the other seats, I would have been buying a new one today.
Go go Baby Trend!
#19 Jan 05 2007 at 1:34 PM Rating: Good
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i saw footage of this on the news this morning while getting ready for work...

scary shit i tell ya....
#20 Jan 05 2007 at 1:38 PM Rating: Decent
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3) people who buy broken seats from a "friend".


Do you know how obvious it is that the seat is "broken"? We actually wound up with a used carseat.

Also: this is for the infant carseats and our baby outgrew that really quickly.
#21 Jan 05 2007 at 2:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Elderon wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Two words: Bubble wrap.
50 Fluffy goose-down pillows are less likely to cause accidental asphyxiation than bubble wrap.


They would also cause some people to break out visciously in hives!

Some people being mainly just me.
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#22 Jan 05 2007 at 2:41 PM Rating: Decent
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yossarian wrote:
BloodwolfeX wrote:
3) people who buy broken seats from a "friend".


Do you know how obvious it is that the seat is "broken"? We actually wound up with a used carseat.

Also: this is for the infant carseats and our baby outgrew that really quickly.


There are two items that you should never get used: cribs and carseats. If you read the book Baby Bargains (a book that breaks down baby products by best value--i.e. the best quality and durability for the lowest price) it has sections explaining why this is just never a good idea.

With both items, there's a chance it may be under recall and you will get it without being aware of the recall. Also, missing hardware or instructions can lead to incorrect or incomplete installation or assembly, making them dangerous. Furthermore, it's possible it was manufactured before the latest safety standards were implemented.

Unfortunately, I keep having to explain this to Mr. Ambrya, who keeps asking why we can't just get a used crib.

As for carseats, the aforementioned book also says that it's safer to get a infant seat and then make the transition to a toddler seat when the baby outgrows the first one--the combo seats that supposedly can be used the entire way through are sort of a "jack of all trades, master of none" option--they do both jobs, but they don't do them as well as the seats specifically designed for a certain sized baby.



Edited, Jan 5th 2007 2:37pm by Ambrya
#23 Jan 05 2007 at 4:19 PM Rating: Default
just secure them good with bunje cords and pillows
#24 Jan 08 2007 at 10:20 AM Rating: Decent
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There are 3 immediate fixes for this:

A. Remove windshields from vehicles
B. Remove seatbelts from vehicles
B. Insert parachute and mars rover like airbags into car seats

Now baby gets a fun safe ride during the accident and is thrown clear of the flammable remains of the vehicle in question.

Seriously though, people worry too much. I'm sure car seats now are safer than they've been for the last 50 years (or whenever they came out). NOW everyone panics about how unsafe they are because of some test that was done? Now everyone is going to run out and buy the 2 brands that passed, only to find out that they are actually worse during an angled impact than the other ones (not confirmed just saying you can't take these tests at face value). All because of some test at "35 miles/hr"...directly head on into a BRICK FRICKEN WALL...how many people hit BRICK walls.

These tests are rediculous. They're the equivalent of someone throwing you into a wall compared to someone holding the back of your head and smashing your face into a fire hydrant. They compare apples to oranges.

Not saying there's not a problem, just saying it's not as big an issue as the media makes it out to be.
#25 Jan 08 2007 at 10:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Now everyone is going to run out and buy the 2 brands that passed, only to find out that they are actually worse during an angled impact than the other ones (not confirmed just saying you can't take these tests at face value). All because of some test at "35 miles/hr"...directly head on into a BRICK FRICKEN WALL...how many people hit BRICK walls.


The g-force generated by impact with a brick wall is the same g-force generated by impact with...

--a parked car
--a telephone pole
--a guardrail/concrete median divider
--a tree
--a building

...all of which are objects people collide with on a daily basis.

So no, the impact tests are NOT ridiculous. The brick wall is merely a convenient way to generate the same sort of force one is likely to encounter in any number of routine collision situations.

The testing in this case also checked side impact. How? By ramming the car with a very high-powered battering ram sort of device. Sure, it's not another care, but it generates the same kind of force one is likely to encounter if on gets t-boned going through an intersection.

The Consumer Reports people do, in fact, actually know what they are doing.



Edited, Jan 8th 2007 10:37am by Ambrya
#26 Jan 08 2007 at 10:59 AM Rating: Good
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.how many people hit BRICK walls.

I have. Well it was actually granite, but it's close enough. I was certainly doing over 35 mph as well.

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These tests are rediculousridiculous. They're the equivalent of someone throwing you into a wall compared to someone holding the back of your head and smashing your face into a fire hydrant. They compare apples to oranges.
No, it really isn't. The difference is that these tests are done in a controlled environment so the evaluations aren't based field tests. Granted, the chances of being hit head on at an exact angle to reproduce what happens in a lab are fairly slim but that doesn't mean that a slightly different angle wouldn't produce the same results. Go study the physics behind vehicular injuries and then come back and say the tests are ********* The science behind what makes those child seats fail in certain conditions doesn't change just because you happen to be driving through grass doing 40 mph and hit a tree instead of a steel plate. If it's ******* it's *******
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