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#77 Jan 12 2007 at 2:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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So you're saying you've got nothing. Okay then!
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#78 Jan 12 2007 at 3:05 PM Rating: Default
Still everything. Same as before. We still don't have a single example of anything a teacher can do that the internet can't do. I'll take that point as wholly conceded as I drive home from work on my laurels. Now you want a measurement of relative degrees of effectiveness? Perhaps I'll delve into some Hayekian proofs of the dispersion of knowledge later. I sure as hell won't cite junk studies. Austrian Economics style *proofs* is more my forte.
#79 Jan 12 2007 at 3:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Now you want a measurement of relative degrees of effectiveness?
Wasn't that the entire point? "We can do the exact same thing or even better!" and all that?

Right now, your argument is as solid as me saying "People can learn from books so books made the classroom obsolete." Seeing as how all you've given has been toys designed to complement what is being taught in the class, you're offering the exact same argument.

Really, you embarass yourself less when you just type fifteen posts of gibberish on a Saturday night.
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#80 Jan 12 2007 at 3:34 PM Rating: Decent
You must be really bored, Joph.

MonxDot is like the forum's version of that homeless guy, wearing the tin-foil hat, babbling incoherently, and shouting at passing cars. You'd get a more logical response from that box of rocks that graduated from University of Phoenix.
#81 Jan 12 2007 at 3:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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You must be really bored, Joph.
Essentially.
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#82 Jan 12 2007 at 4:22 PM Rating: Good
Reading this thread is like listening to the teacher in Charlie Brown. Blah Blah blah blah Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........
#84 Jan 12 2007 at 5:20 PM Rating: Default
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Wasn't that the entire point? "We can do the exact same thing or even better!" and all that?


It's already been touched on, but it took a page and a half for the slow people to realize that everything which is taught in a classroom can similarly be taught on-line. For a page and half, you and the dolts couldn't come up with a single example of an educational concept learned in the classroom that can't be similarly learned on-line from the entire content range of K-PhD, even though you and the dolts claimed you could. If you got an 'A' understanding of that concept, we can move along to the finer detailed comparison of the relative strengths of Classroom vs. Internet. If you live in Tokyo, start running through the streets screaming.

The fact that teachers use the material which is on-line shows that that material is better than what they can provide themselves in class. Else why use it?

You yourself said smaller class sizes are better. In other words, the smaller the student:teacher ratio, ceterus paribus, the better the quality. Say the typical class size is 25 students for one teacher. All the material which is put together on-line, the pc educational games, the video lectures, etc. (which is constantly getting better) dramatically, incredibly reverses that ratio. Before: X teachers teaching Y students times Z classrooms. After: all the teachers teaching every single student in one classroom of one student simultaneously. Of course, we fire the duplicate inefficiency, we get rid of the lesser quality, and keep the best quality for all. The synthetic effect is that every teacher of the highest quality is individually teaching every student. We go from an effective ratio of something like 25:1 to 1:1,000,000. Your own, personal, Sokr8s.

I'll just stop there for now, since that's more than enough to show better quality. You don't just lose. You're obliterated. Capiche?

I'll sip on some sizzurp to that.
#85 Jan 12 2007 at 5:34 PM Rating: Good
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Classrooms are good because you can ask the teachers specific questions that may not be covered in someting that you just read.



Also with the matter of the student number effecting the quality of learning; honestly that is up to the student to pay attention. If they do not know how to learn and have to be baby-sat by the teacher then they should fail anyway.
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#86 Jan 12 2007 at 5:38 PM Rating: Default
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Classrooms are good because you can ask the teachers specific questions that may not be covered in someting that you just read.


Apparently you missed earlier in the thread that once one student ask a specific question and that specific question is answered, the answer is siumutaneously available to all in the archives. Never saw a FAQ on a forum board?

Not to mention you can also ask the same question on-line and get answer(s) plural from more than one teacher.

Edited, Jan 12th 2007 8:35pm by MonxDoT
#87 Jan 12 2007 at 5:42 PM Rating: Good
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ever hear of HANDS ON EXPERIENCE?

I guess they'll just start shippping out some virtual reality glasses and let people pratice surgery on Nintendo Wiis.
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#88 Jan 12 2007 at 5:43 PM Rating: Default
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Reading this thread is like listening to the teacher in Charlie Brown. Blah Blah blah blah Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........


Bring out the Master Shogen.

I think the Mater Shogen's sleeping.

Well I guess you're just gonna have to go wake him up now won't you?
#89 Jan 12 2007 at 5:47 PM Rating: Default
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ever hear of HANDS ON EXPERIENCE?


Yeah, I heard it's how you lost your virginity. Go get your Jeff Gordon gloves. You've got to practice to impress her with your one-minute man love.
#90 Jan 12 2007 at 5:48 PM Rating: Good
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If you want discipline, compulsory military training is better at fostering discipline than compulsory school attendance. I understand that gym class is probably a good 7.5% of the K-12 curriculum. But athletics too, can be enforced by required membership in private sporting clubs such as soccer teams, swimming teams, chess teams, etc. You could have a kiddie draft to the local football club. Military drill instructors can serve as coaches, in afternoon or evening practices. And they'll do a better job at making sure Junior actually does his daily dose of sit ups and push ups. Just take a look at these fat *** obese kids in today's schools. Remember, you're the one that wants State spankings extending into private homes to DISCIPLINE children. How about electric schocks delivered for wrong answers, like tic tac toe playing chickens used to get at local county fairs when they lost a game?
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this is just one reandom thing i pulled out of this thread.


You say that discipline and learning punctuality and other such things benificial to holding a job is not neccesary and that IF a parent DOES want he child to learn some discipline then they should just ship them to the military instead?

riiight Smiley: thumbsup
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#91 Jan 12 2007 at 6:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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MonxDoT wrote:
For a page and half, you and the dolts couldn't come up with a single example of an educational concept learned in the classroom that can't be similarly learned on-line from the entire content range of K-PhD, even though you and the dolts claimed you could.
Many things were mentioned.

Your responses have been to either pretend that you have a super-awesome-mega-system that magically answers every single question and emulates every experience or else to say "Nuh uh! Teachers can't do that!"

Yeah. Your fantasy world owned all of us. Smiley: laugh
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#92 Jan 12 2007 at 6:51 PM Rating: Default
Good, it's good to see game recognizing Game.

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You PWNT all of us.


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you have a super-awesome-mega-system that magically answers every single question and emulates every experience or else to say "Nuh uh! Teachers can't do that!"


Glad you finally got it. Fuck the Doors 5 to One, 25:1 will get you 1:1,000,000. No need to address or undress pure B3aUty.
#93 Jan 12 2007 at 8:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
Really, you embarass yourself less when you just type fifteen posts of gibberish on a Saturday night.
/nod
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#94 Jan 12 2007 at 8:15 PM Rating: Default
I understand. If nobody else can hear you, feel your pain, you can make up for it with a lot of posted reading material.

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#95 Jan 13 2007 at 3:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Gee, what a surprise Beave. You really could go on and on, but you didn't. I guess your best wasn't good enough. I've been listing the realistic positive consequences. List a single negative consequence, if you can, of something that can't be done on-line that is done in a physical classroom building regarding education. Trying to level your poser skills or something?


I just don't see the point. The only person here that is asking to be convinced is you, but you don't really want to be convinced. You want to be right. I've seen you around the forums enough to know that you won't admit to being wrong. If there were several people chiming in with, "Good idea Monx! We should do this!" then I might feel obliged to orate some argument, but for you it's a total waste of my time.

Really though, if you don't like the system you don't have to use it. Home school. Wait, why don't more parents home school? Hmmm, I wonder if the two COULD SOMEHOW BE RELATED IN ANY CONCEIVABLE WAY?!?! Figure it out, genius.

Besides, if you're sooooo concerned with federal tax spending, perhaps you should direct your efforts towards the military, who gets infinitely more federal tax dollars than education. As if paying taxes were the cause of all that's wrong with this country.

For the record I have taken many online classes (some of them being from very skilled and qualified professors) and they're a ******* joke. I would have enjoyed being in a classroom infinitely more and learned much more as well.

#96 Jan 13 2007 at 4:08 AM Rating: Default
I'll get back to you on any pertinent points you might have on Tuesday.

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For the record I have taken many online classes


And thus, we should take your conclusions against the feasibility of on-line education seriously?

Come on down! You could win a beautiful trailer in a park!
#97 Jan 14 2007 at 3:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Your words cut like knives.
#98 Jan 25 2007 at 7:37 PM Rating: Default
Take a look at my students. So much smarter than the Asylum forum=4.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10;mid=1169723486291121570;num=90;page=1
#99 Jan 25 2007 at 7:39 PM Rating: Decent
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More rate-downs for the necroposting idiot.

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