let's talk about ******Follow

Just wondering, Anna - what did the quote have to do with the rest of your post? =P I just didn't see a connection.

"But still, Christianity is still definitely less persecuted than homosexuality. When people start using "Christian" as a term of anger and contempt, let me know." --Matjlav

People have been using "Christ," "Jesus," and "goddammit" as a term for anger and contempt for millenia. The term "christian" was originally used as a label to focus hatred against them in the Roman world.

As for your contention that homosexuality is more persecuted than Christianity, I'd have to disagree with you. By it's very nature homosexuality is hidden and relatively rare-- on the order of 3-4% of the population. Christianity, by comparison, involves billions of people and is generally a matter open to discussion and, hopefully, evident by that person's actions and behavior. Two totally opposite innate behavior patterns.

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I guess I wouldn't call using the lord, your gods, name in vain "persecution".

Statistics seem to point to homosexuals being more "persecuted" than Catholics.

Why is this a suddenly a debate about whether gays or christians get pooped on more?

Oh yeah,,,,because the Christians are the ones pooping on the gays.






Edit cuz the expressions I choose to put in brackets never seem to give me a smiley face. [:grrr:]

Edited, Jan 3rd 2007 3:45pm by Elinda

I don't think that's a gay or catholic thing. If it were, it would be called a "Gay steamer" or a "Catholic steamer", instead it's a "Cleveland steamer". Says a lot about those crazy Cleveland people. Isn't BT from Cleveland?

Remind me to never orbit in the ***** circles you travel in. If I stick my dick in some guy, and pull out a fudgecicle, game over man. An ***** or two is proper hygene for gays when expecting a date to turn to sex.

EDIT: Fucking dick filter, I'm being persecuted!

Edited, Jan 3rd 2007 7:43am by NixNot

Nothin' like a good gay rant to grow a thread during the Holidays.

The amount of homosexuals varies and has largely to do with two things: The fact that our definition of homosexual and heterosexual and use of the binary sexuality system is largely a construction of the 20th century western world. In reality, sexuality is largely fluid, variable and likely variations on what is considered exclusive heterosexuality is a minority--especially if you include those impacted psychologically rather just in terms of behavior--even if you looked at history, you'd look at a larger proportion that 3-4%. That number is more like people who identify as being in homosexual relationship (not same sex) in census reports that don't even take into consideration people who are single, don't identify or don't identify their same sex relationship as being homosexual.

The hidden nature is more of a modern construction that is wrapped around religious ideology in the three major monotheistic religions: Islam, Judaism and Christianity. Blame Abraham for all I care but it all comes from one source and the impact of these religions on each other should not be underestimated.

Btw, alot of census data don't suggest "Billions" of Christians, rather just a billion.

Both sexuality and religion are both open to discussion in most quarters of American life. The life behind the official stance is far different. If you wonder why Richard Cheney has an openly gay daughter who is accepted by her father, that is just part in parcel of the way that life really functions beyond the power grabbing bullsh*t.

PS. Even if your statistics were correct, 3-4 percent suggests that there are 180-240 million people in the world who are considered homosexual. That would place the amount of people around the population of the fourth and fifth most populated countries in the world--Indonesia and Brazil and it's hardly a marginal number. I am not sure why if there are 1/4 as many identified homosexuals in a conservatively estimated sample as Christians, who b/c of cultural reasons are often overestimated, that would be considered a marginal number.

Edited, Jan 3rd 2007 3:00pm by annabellaonalexander

To the contrary, the fact that even atheists often use God's name in vain shows just how prevalent Christianity in our society has become, in my opinion. Even though they don't believe in them, these terms are so engrained into our culture that even atheists say it without thinking about what they mean.

Wouldn't it seem weird to you if a Crusader in the 1100s said "Allah" like we use "God," "Christ," "Jesus," etc. today? Using God's name in that manner seems to me to be more of a signal of belief rather than a signal of persecution (despite its sinful nature).

When I said "Christian as a term of anger," I meant something to the line of "That's so Christian!", like one would say "That's so gay!"



Let's stay in this past millenium while discussing current culture, please.



Wait, what are you saying?



np, I just wasn't sure if you knew which side I was arguing for.

Edited, Jan 3rd 2007 3:27pm by Matjlav

Die necroposting scum.

I question where you get your information.

I also question your necroposting.

Yeah? Tell that to Matthew Shephard.