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Yet again, shadowrelm demonstrates that he has no earthly clue about anything about which he's running his yap.

Hitler did not, in fact, find religion offensive. Just Judaeism. He frequently studded his public speeches with claims that the ***** were doing Gods work.

I'm not interested enough to go through the trouble of turning off my filter to confirm this, but did Virus actually make this claim? That is f'ucking hilarious.

Apparently he missed the memo that AIDS transmission amongst hets outstripped AIDS transmission among gays like, oh, nearly twenty years ago.

Hi, first time posting in this forum, infact i'd never even noticed until today and this subject caught my eye. It's something i've thought a lot about over the years having been prompted by discovering that my (EX) husband was extremely homophobic. It made me wonder why. Why is there such a stigma attached to this lifestyle?

Some personal conclusions and musings I have had are these.

According to medical data we all start "life" as a female foetus, later in development, somewhere within the first 5 weeks, the foetus either develops into a male or remains female. This is just the physical aspect, there is, of course the mental aspect too. To my mind, it strikes me as perfectly natural and perhaps, to some extrent to be expected that in adulthood some people find themselves attracted to the same sex. The scope for, well, for want of a better word, mistakes, is large. This isn't something that society has created or encouraged. It's just that as the world's population increases so does the occurrances of same sex attraction. As has already been said with the rat experimentation references. In other words it is a perfectly natural and expected occurence.

So why do some people find this to be 'icky' when it is natural? Well, this in particular i've thought about a lot. I've noticed that a large proportion of elderly people find homosexuality to be offensive and 'unnatural'. Also a great many conservative people, and, of course Christians. Now aside from Christians, who have other reasons aswell, there is something they all hold in common. This 'group' of people would also be offended if hetrosexual couples flaunted thier sexuality in thier presence. They are the people that stoically avert thier eyes from the pornographic magazines on the top shelf of the shops. The same ones that don't refer to 'that' shop that sells 'those' things. Of course, these things are easily avoided. There is no need to talk about them or acknowledge thier existence in thier lives, unless they want to. To a very large proportion of the population sex is something private, between intimates and not something to be exposed to public scrutiny. It exists, and they know it and accept it, but for the most part it is nothing that requires comment in day to day life.

However, with homosexuality this is different. Due to past feelings of repression, many homosexuals feel the need to shout proudly 'I am Gay! Accept me!', Gay bars, gay clothes, gay marches, gay TV, gay rights, etc, etc. They key word here is "gay". It is an immediate reference to sex. It immediately summons up an imagine. We are all people, either male or female (well most of us) but by this lable a group have now segregated themselves as no longer people, but a sexual orientation instead. For a conservative minded person, to that person who views sex as something private and intimate, this is just pushing it into thier faces. It can't be ignored. As we all know, when something is pushed upon us, we grow angry and resentful to those pushing.

Of course there is always the exception to the rule, some people are just ********, to them there is not explanation, if it were not this it would be something else. Nothing and no one can change them. But for the most part, for the most people who have this 'icky' issue with homosexuality, then time will heal. As things stand, as much as it saddens me to say it, I believe that homosexuals are not accepted totally because they won't allow it themselves.

Sadly what it boils down to is:

The only person who needs to know your sexual orientation is the person you are trying to sleep with. Telling everyone is just too much info.

Grandma will be offended if you walk up to her and tell her you shag the oposite sex too.

This thread just reminds me once again that I am a hag without a ***.

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I enjoy guys and gals. Is that rubbing your face in it? Or do you mean to say you want me to rub one off on your face?



That's great because I'd just laugh at you if you did. Sin is such a funny concept to me.



Do me a favor and quit trying to fit me into your religious mosaic. In my mind, it's utter nonsense.



The thing is, it isn't any of your business what I do behind closed doors. If you or anyone else has issue with my lifestyle, ignore it.

I had thought that my second paragraph had made it clear what my personal stance on the issue is. However, reading your comments I can see that is wasn't. Well, to clarify; My stance is what I said my stance is, and that is the second paragraph I wrote.

As I also went on to say clearly, these were some musings and conclusions I had come to based upon other peoples reactions. I don't know about other people, but if someones opinion/feelings differ from my own, then I try to understand why. I just want it to make sense to me so I think about it until I can find something that makes sense in my own head. Likening someones sexual preference to feminism isn't exactly a good comparison. Aside from the ability to be married in most - not all - Christian establishments, what else is repressed? Women were not allowed to vote, they were expected not to work. if they did work then they were paid a significantly lower amount than the men performing the same role. There were beaten and raped and there were no laws to protect/help them, society deemed a beaten woman as someone who deserved it, including the police, simply because that was normal. No, i'm sorry, but to my mind it is not the same at all. Not even close.

In saying that though, even for women, the acceptance didn't occur until the 'shouting' stopped and this has been the same throughout history for any groups of people.



Yes I am aware. However, bars which actually say "Gay bar" on thier signs, to conservative minded people this is no different to a sign which says "Sex club" . I am NOT saying that I agree with this or that it is my view, because it isn't, but this is how it is. The word gay is a direct reference to sex. Again im not saying its right or wrong that this is so, but it is how society has made it. My point is that the majority of these small minded people that make objections are quite likely merely doing it due to thier own inhibitions regarding sex. Any sex. Thier objections would be the same if the sign read sex club or gay bar. I'm not saying all gay establishments are like this, the same as not all sex clubs are not like this, but too many are. All it takes is some descretion.




OK, an example of why that is my opinion. There is a healthy gay social scene in my locality. There has been for more years than I care to remember. Bar's clubs etc. A few of the bars are mixed, some predominately gay only. One of these bars has an extra sign up outside that reads Gay meeting place, the others just have thier respective names, nothing out of the ordinary. Huge attention is drawn to the one that has that one word hung up in big letters outside "Gay". Simply because the sign is there is invites anyone who sees it to form a thought. This is where the conservative people get all stupid. In all honesty I very much doubt they even realise themselves that it's just the shock of a public reference to sex that makes them act so, but whatever the cause they do. The thing is, irrelevant of wether the sign says "Gay" on it, everyone knows that gay people go there, the same as the ones without the signs. Thier trade doesn't suffer any. So why on earth invite small minded people to think badly if it isn't needed? Acceptence works two ways. The majority of people don't care what your sexual preference is but they also don't want references to sex thrown around everywhere. ANY sex. Now that is a complete other issue.



Ok, let me clarify. My framily and friends know my sexual orientation. The chap that lives down the road, that I rarely see probably doesn't. Neither does the person in the next city i've never met. In the past, whenever I'd meet someone I liked sexually, then they would know my sexual orientation and I would know thiers. Whatever your sexual preference is, you really don't need to tell everyone you meet. Shouting one minute 'I want to be accepted, treat me the same as everyone else' and then the next announcing 'I am gay!' Is frankly laughable. You are the bloody same! Except that you're some weirdo shouting your sexual preference to everyone. You'd get the same reaction if you shouted "I like cabbages!" - no one cares, we don't need to know.

Bad. Dirty. Nobody should be free to think anything but. Good. Clean. Explanations. Excuses. So basically, you're losing until they're dead or you're dead. Gang banging indeed. Tolerance is such a post-Constantinian concept.

Edited, Dec 29th 2006 5:56am by MonxDoT

Always glad to help out Monx. Let me know if you need anything else ruined.

OMG! Anne Heche is a lesbian too!



The disclosure just gets more cruel and unusual. I thought she just had "small" tits and was too opinionated. Now she's a lesbian too? Like Doogie? No, no, no, please stop. I've got enough.

Edited, Dec 29th 2006 10:44am by MonxDoT

Hey, that's why I put it in "quotes". Harrison Ford said it, not me. I like 'em on the smaller side myself (no, not underage, you sickos), and find implanted artificial ones the most disgusting detestable abominations you could ever /laugh at.

****** ARE PEOPLE, TOO!

And in other news, lesbians are AWESOME. Lesbians who are "gay for pay," and who engage in lesbianatic activities purely for the sake of my own personal arousal, are the best human beings on the face of the earth. *****-swapping lesbians are the most awesome beings in the universe.

That is all.

EDIT: To make it more family-friendly.

Edited, Dec 29th 2006 10:35am by bloodywilliam