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#1 Dec 11 2006 at 12:03 PM Rating: Good
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I'll be back later to give you my highly anticipated movie review and the always unwanted tale on how the film ended.

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#2 Dec 11 2006 at 12:08 PM Rating: Good
My prediction of your review:

ABS in the future wrote:
"I went to see a movie by Mel Gibson with semi-nekked men featured all throughout. There was nothing of the sort. Only scantily clad women making cameo appearances."

"Hated it".

#3 Dec 11 2006 at 12:22 PM Rating: Good
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One of my Interpreters, who's studying to be a History Professor (Latin American Studies) is all up in arms about how inaccurate the movie is. For example, it's supposed to be about Mayans, but it shows people being hunted down for sacrifice. In Mayan culture, according to him, sacrifice wasn't common and when it was, it was an honor to be chosen and the honoree wouldn't have run.
#4 Dec 11 2006 at 12:24 PM Rating: Good
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Atomicflea wrote:
One of my Interpreters, who's studying to be a History Professor (Latin American Studies) is all up in arms about how inaccurate the movie is. For example, it's supposed to be about Mayans, but it shows people being hunted down for sacrifice. In Mayan culture, according to him, sacrifice wasn't common and when it was, it was an honor to be chosen and the honoree wouldn't have run.
Depends on which age of Maya it's set in.

There were pretty bloodthirsty phases, including a brief phase of public child-rape to appease teh Bobs.

Dem crayzee Arawatls!!

Edited to add:

Of course as an Icon production, the message of the movie is likely to be how the Mayans all loved each other until the Jews caused all the wars.

Edited, Dec 11th 2006 3:28pm by Nobby
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#5 Dec 11 2006 at 12:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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The reviewers are taking the historical era into account, looks like.

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The Maya at the time of Spanish contact are depicted as idyllic hunters and gatherers, or as genocidal murderers, and neither of these scenarios is accurate.


Of course, to Gibson they had to be savages until his precious Church reached them.

I can't wait to see how many more opportunities he finds to present homoerotic depictions of studly men being tortured. Wonder if he'll do the Inquisition next!
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#6 Dec 11 2006 at 12:37 PM Rating: Good
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Atomicflea wrote:
according to him, sacrifice wasn't common and when it was, it was an honor to be chosen and the honoree wouldn't have run.
You got me started here.

If he's studying to be a Professor he might want to take his head out of his ***.

In all cultures where Human Sacrifice was common, the victims were either prisoners (of war usually), or "Honored Individuals".

Despite this 'honor' human nature dictates that many tried to escape.

Sure, there are exceptions and anomalies, but by-and-large, being told you're going to die for Bob isn't welcome. Yes there are occasional fanatics (As there are now among extreme Islamists and fundamentalist Christians or Jews).

The near-contemporary accounts (Landa and Torquemada were my main sources) are written from a very judgmental Catholic perspective and extrapolate all sorts of ridiculous assessments from hearsay and biased supposition.

They sound just Mel's cup of Tea Smiley: oyvey
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#7 Dec 11 2006 at 12:39 PM Rating: Good
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We gave them Jesus when they really just needed a wheel. Foolish Europeans!
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#8 Dec 11 2006 at 12:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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bodhisattva wrote:
We gave them Jesus when they really just needed to be broken on a wheel. Foolish Europeans!


Fixed~
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#9 Dec 11 2006 at 12:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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Samira wrote:
Wonder if he'll do the Inquisition next!


That would be unexpected...

From what I've read, as Nobby said, there were some periods where sacrifices were fairly common and captured people from other areas were often used for this. It was an honor and they were treated like gods prior to the sacrifice - but even still I gotta believe that when it came down to hack time, at least a few thought "***** this" and rabbitted off.
#10 Dec 11 2006 at 12:41 PM Rating: Decent
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From Samira's article wrote:
As the jungle hero escapes the evil city and is chased to the edge of the sea by his antagonists, with literally nowhere else to turn, Spanish galleons appear, complete with a small, lead boat carrying a stalwart friar hoisting a crucifix. For Gibson, the new beginning for these lost Mayan people, the Apocalypto, evidently is the coming of the Spaniards and Christianity to the Americas.


Nice. The only reason I even considered seeing the movie was because the previews did not show Europeans in it so I figured Mel Gibson couldn't slant the movie to badly if he couldn't put his view god in it. Guess I was wrong. Guess I wont be seein' it.

So did Mel go crazy as he got older or was he always a religious nut job?
#11 Dec 11 2006 at 12:43 PM Rating: Good
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Sometimes sacrafice is good.

Like the time my buddy spent all night flirting/distracting the 'ugly friend' so I could pick up the hot one. Truly a noble deed.
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#12 Dec 11 2006 at 12:44 PM Rating: Good
The Glorious GitSlayer wrote:
So did Mel go crazy as he got older or was he always a religious nut job?
My sources (ref1, ref2) says he's always been a nut.
#13 Dec 11 2006 at 12:45 PM Rating: Good
bodhisattva wrote:
Sometimes sacrafice is good.

Like the time my buddy spent all night flirting/distracting the 'ugly friend' so I could pick up the hot one. Truly a noble deed.
That's not sacrifice, that's being a good wingman.
#14 Dec 11 2006 at 12:49 PM Rating: Good
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Elderon wrote:
bodhisattva wrote:
Sometimes sacrafice is good.

Like the time my buddy spent all night flirting/distracting the 'ugly friend' so I could pick up the hot one. Truly a noble deed.
That's not sacrifice, that's being a good wingman.


I believe he ended up sleeping with the friend. Then we heckled him about it for 5 years. That is sacrifice
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#15 Dec 11 2006 at 12:51 PM Rating: Good
bodhisattva wrote:
Elderon wrote:
bodhisattva wrote:
Sometimes sacrafice is good.

Like the time my buddy spent all night flirting/distracting the 'ugly friend' so I could pick up the hot one. Truly a noble deed.
That's not sacrifice, that's being a good wingman.


I believe he ended up sleeping with the friend. Then we heckled him about it for 5 years. That is sacrifice
Smiley: lol Sounds like he needs more training at the wingman academy. That, or he was genuinely desperate.
#16 Dec 11 2006 at 1:09 PM Rating: Good
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Not desperate. Bad friends though. The rules state that if a sacrificial distraction is being played, the wingman is entitled to whatever he can get from the fat/ugly chick, free of ridicule.
#17 Dec 11 2006 at 1:12 PM Rating: Good
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King Nobby wrote:
If he's studying to be a Professor he might want to take his head out of his ***.
I'll be sure to tell him you think so. This was one of many examples, and I'm sure I glazed over most of the other ones, but since other people, Mel Gibson among them, agree that the movie isn't historically accurate nor meant to be taken as such, I can't condemn his opinion entirely.
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Jaguar Paw and the other captives are to be sacrificed on a column-shaped stone to appease the gods and avert a drought.

This type of sacrifice resembles one that may have been carried out by the Mexica [an Aztec-related group] in central Mexico.

The Aztecs [who presided over an empire in Mexico in the 15th and 16th centuries] used a column-shaped stone on which the captive would be splayed out, back arched, allowing the sacrificer to more easily access the heart from beneath the rib cage to make a heart sacrifice.

This type of sacrifice is unknown within the Maya area.


Edited, Dec 11th 2006 3:22pm by Atomicflea
#18 Dec 11 2006 at 1:16 PM Rating: Good
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Wait....you're seriously upset that someone changed history for the sake of a movie?
#19 Dec 11 2006 at 1:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
Wait....you're seriously upset that someone changed history for the sake of a movie?
No. Are you? 'Cause we can talk about it if you like.
#20 Dec 11 2006 at 1:19 PM Rating: Good
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Atomicflea wrote:
NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
Wait....you're seriously upset that someone changed history for the sake of a movie?
No. Are you? 'Cause we can talk about it if you like.


My place....7ish?
#21 Dec 11 2006 at 1:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Atomicflea wrote:
I can't condemn his opinion entirely.
I can.

To make such a naive comment as that questions his ability to temper historical narrative with raw human nature.

Reminds me of children's history books that describe entire civilisations or races as 'warlike' or 'peaceloving'.

That Shit runs out of steam at 8th grade.
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#22 Dec 11 2006 at 1:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
My place....7ish?
For the last time, I'm NOT CLEANING YOUR HOUSE! Smiley: mad

King Nobby wrote:
I can.
Good for you. Like I said, I'm not going to get upset about a foggy recollection of someone else's offhand comment any more than I'll stress myself to figure out why it gets you in such a tizzy that someone stated a fact that Mel himself and others agree with: the movie is not, nor was it meant to be, historically accurate.
#23 Dec 11 2006 at 1:36 PM Rating: Good
Atomicflea wrote:
NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
My place....7ish?
For the last time, I'm NOT CLEANING YOUR HOUSE! Smiley: mad
Someone else shares the fantasy of you dressing up like a hot Latina house maid and showing up at the door declaring "House keeping" while feverously knocking at the door, just dying to clean my house?

Here I thought it was just me.
#24 Dec 11 2006 at 1:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elderon wrote:
Here I thought it was just me.

Maybe it's because your house is so... dirty.
#25 Dec 11 2006 at 1:39 PM Rating: Good
Atomicflea wrote:
Elderon wrote:
Here I thought it was just me.

Maybe it's because your house is so... dirty.
I don't know about my house, but that's a really good way to describe my frame of mind.
#26 Dec 12 2006 at 6:07 PM Rating: Good
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Ok, the movie, boiled down to the bone is basically a chase film. Guy gets captured, guy escapes. However, that isn't to say it wasn't a good watch. On the contrary, it was very entertaining-- in a guy way. Lotsa indigenous boobs, hearts being ripped out of chests, pungi stakes poking through limbs, animals biting faces off-kind of thing. Good stuff.

The film critics who claim this is Mel's best film must have been licking one of those toads the protagonist uses to poison his enemies with, because there is no way it's better than Braveheart. Yeah, it beats We Were Soldiers and that one where he can hear women's thoughts, but being drawn & quartered > human sacrifice, any day of the week.

The movie is all subtitles, but that's not really an issue since you could ignore the "dialogue" and figure out what's going on from the action. Like I said, it's very straight forward. I had hoped for a little more pain being dispensed out to the ****** Mayan who kills Bunga-bunga's dad, but he gets dispatched fairly quick.

One thing that struck me was if Gibson's movie was correct or historically accurate (which apparently it's not) then it's no wonder Mayan civilization just disappeared off the face of the earth. As Bunga-bunga runs away from Mayan-ville and his pursuers, he slips into what, for all the world, looks like an outtake from The Killing Fields. There's this huge pit with all the bodies the injuns have been killing, which happens to be co-located next to town. Hmmm, cholera and typhoid, anyone? Also, no one seems to be doing anything constructive like farming or crafting. There's just a bunch of white guys hauling around blocks of stone. Pffft! yeah, like that's gonna happen...

One last observation: I have decided that out of all the cats in the world I like jaguars best. Well, maybe snow leopards are still cooler, but that jet black coat sure looks nifty.

Oh. By the way, the guy lives and saves his family just as the conquistadors arrive to wipe out the injuns with small pox. End of movie, credits start to roll.

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