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#1 Dec 11 2006 at 5:43 AM Rating: Good
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New moms at risk for mental health issues, study finds


CHICAGO, Illinois (AP) -- New moms face increased risks for a variety of mental problems, not just postpartum depression, according to one of the largest studies of psychiatric illness after childbirth.

New dads aren't as vulnerable, probably because they don't experience the same physical and social changes associated with having a baby, the researchers and other experts said.

The study, based on medical records of 2.3 million people over a 30-year period in Denmark, found that the first three months after women have their first baby is riskiest, especially the first few weeks. That's when the tremendous responsibility of caring for a newborn hits home. ( Watch a mom share her scary experience Video)

During the first 10 to 19 days, new mothers were seven times more likely to be hospitalized with some form of mental illness than women with older infants. Compared with women with no children, new mothers were four times more likely to be hospitalized with mental problems.

New mothers also were more likely than other women to get outpatient psychiatric treatment.

However, new fathers did not have a higher risk of mental problems when compared with fathers of older infants and men without children.

The prevalence of mental disorders was about 1 per 1,000 births for women and just .37 per 1,000 births for men.

The problems included postpartum depression, but also bipolar disorder, with altering periods of depression and mania; schizophrenia and similar disorders; and adjustment disorders, which can include debilitating anxiety.
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The study underscores a need for psychiatric screening of all new mothers and treatment for those affected, according to an editorial accompanying the study in Wednesday's Journal of the American Medical Association.

"Mental health is crucial to a mother's capacity to function optimally, enjoy relationships, prepare for the infant's birth, and cope with the stresses and appreciate the joys of parenthood," the editorial says.

Two of the editorial's three authors reported financial ties to the psychiatric drug industry. The study researchers said they had no financial ties to the industry.

They examined national data on Danish residents from around 1973 to July 2005. About 1.1 million participants became parents during the study.

A total of 1,171 mothers and 658 fathers -- none in whom any previous mental health issues had been diagnosed -- were hospitalized with a mental disorder after childbirth.

Lead author Trine Munk-Olsen, a researcher at Denmark's University of Aarhus, said similar risks for psychiatric problems likely would affect new parents in other developed nations including the United States. However, differences in screening practices and access to health care might influence whether parents elsewhere are hospitalized, she said.

Physical changes after childbirth might partly explain why women are vulnerable, including fluctuating hormone levels, Munk-Olsen said. These, alone or combined with sleep deprivation and the demands of breast-feeding could trigger mental problems, she said.

Hard data on the number of women worldwide affected by postpartum mental illness are scant, but postpartum depression alone affects about 15 percent of U.S. women.

The condition made headlines last year when actress Brooke Shields acknowledged taking antidepressants after her first child was born -- and Tom Cruise publicly criticized her for it.

It also has been cited as a factor in shocking cases of mothers killing their children, including Andrea Yates' drowning of her five children in Texas in 2001.

Dr. Nada Stotland, a psychiatry professor at Rush Medical College in Chicago, said gender differences in postpartum mental illness are not surprising.

Mothers generally bear the brunt of sleep deprivation, and many new mothers are socially isolated or live far from relatives who could provide support, Stotland said.

She said the study likely will provoke mixed reactions.

"There may be people who say, 'My mother raised eight children and she never needed to have mental health care,' and others will say, 'Finally somebody has noticed just how stressful this is and what people go through,"' Stotland said.


I remember when I was pregnant with my first son I had a very strong fear of getting PPD. Around that time was when the Andrea Yates story was big in the news and PPD was forced into the media spotlight. I read up like crazy on the subject, made sure the hubby knew the signs "just in case". Obviously that never happened. The only major change I noticed a year or so after my son was born was that in the winter I would want to do nothing but sleep. I learned after two years I had SAD. While it's unknown whether my chemicals changed in my body from the pregnancy to produce less seratonin since I never had SAD diagnosed prior, or if it was just much more noticable with a young child, I still ponder in the back of my mind if it weren't the chemical rollercoaster that brought it to the surface, or even created it.

After reading this article I still wonder. Do some new mothers have something already slightly off balance chemically that was undetectable prior, and have it surface after pregnancy and labor? Or can such things be caused solely by the chemical overshift in the body? And if the latter were true, how do you prepare for the possibility of something so drastic? Would that mean that all new mothers should have psychiatric evaluation added to their maternity check ups?
#2 Dec 11 2006 at 6:06 AM Rating: Good
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Would that mean that all new mothers should have psychiatric evaluation added to their maternity check ups?


Not necessarily. In fact, usually there is the "baby blues" which is inherent when you have hormonal shifts that occur after childbirth. However, that is different than PPD. The majority of women who experience PPD have some issues or family history with depression and other psychiatric conditions that affect dopamine and Serotinin, particularly in women who experience what Andrea Yates did--i.e. Post Partum Psychosis.

Now what they have in this article are people who have no prior history of hospitalization. While they have no diagnosed mental illness prior to this,there are few other things about their functioning or other risk factors that aren't outlined here and to give weight to this study, more explanation of prior functioning is needed in order to make conclusions..

Most adult-set mental illness comes out when there is an incident that causes particular stress, usually considered a critical event that triggers more latent symptoms and neurological issues. In many cases, for example, drug use or going away from home from the first time would trigger an initial episode. It is highly common that most people with schizophrenia, for example, experience their initial symptoms when going away from home. There is a convergence of developmental issues (it'd be interesting to see the ages of the first time parents) and what is often termed as "environmental insults."

I would say this, the most important thing is for a parent to have good prenatal and postnatal care within the context of a supportive care system that can recognize the signs of more serious mental illness. That's what is going to really make the difference--public education. Moreover, more and more, OB/GYNs are receiving psychiatric training and can better discern potential issues (i know this from working with psych. fellows from Harvard and UMASS medical school at my job).

While there are often psychiatric disorders that seem to come out of nowhere, what is actually found more often is the idea of a psychiatric spectrum--i.e. instead specific disorders being inherited, it's more like psychiatric instability is inherited--like someone might have depression and have another relative with schizophrenia. The exception is true Bipolar disorder and to a lesser extent OCD, both are found to be highly biological phenomenons which are passed down more predictable ways. Either way, a good family history is important to gather--and most OB/GYNs should do a good biopsychosocial examination.

Secondarily, I went to a talk the other day which a researcher has suggested for psychiatric disorders like schizophrenia, there is alot of evidence that the cognitive difficulties that affect someone after their first break is there in the majority of people before first break--even before the prodormal period. There are alot of studies doing preventative work with schizophrenia. There is some evidence that SSRIs given to teenagers might be decreasing the likelihood of a first break in schizophrenia. The point? There are good ways to discern who is at risk based on earlier functioning.

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Secondarily, I went to a talk the other day which a researcher has suggested for psychiatric disorders like schizophrenia, there is alot of evidence that the cognitive difficulties that affect someone after their first break is there in the majority of people before first break-


Can you give some examples?
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Many cases of mental illness are inherited, but like you had also stated, some of those mental illnesses will not show up unless something stressful happens, like your schizophrenia example.
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Most adult-set mental illness comes out when there is an incident that causes particular stress, usually considered a critical event that triggers more latent symptoms and neurological issues. In many cases, for example, drug use or going away from home from the first time would trigger an initial episode.
My question would then be, how can one determine prior who is at risk? Many people may have it in their history, but do all? And that's where my question of adding therapy lessons would come in. I agree it would be interesting to see the age of the new mothers they worked with. Is it more common to find in a younger woman, or in an older one?

There are differences between each type of mental disorder, some inherited, some random. The question then can also be, which ones are caused mainly by inheritance and which ones should be posted to look out for after a stressful incident, such as labor for a first time mother can be? I remember having a nurse ask me on my first visit my family history, but it was vague, and never brought up again by a Dr. I wonder those who would be more prone could have a red flag brought up then or if its just skimmed through? I have no answer to that and it may differ from place to place.

Also, what happens to those who are known to have a history of said illnesses in their family? Is the OB/GYN obligated to then keep a more careful mental watch on the patient? Its great that OB/GYNs are now starting to learn more on this, but it is not their field specialty and its highly likely that many cases that could be prevented would slip through the cracks.

Who or what should be keeping watch over these women who are more prone to having a mental dissorder appear after the birth of their first child? And should mental health awareness be initiated into the OB/GYN field or have the two fields meet with newly pregnant women?

My major question though, is not for those who have a known family issue, but for those who do not, or may not know.

Edit to add I have to scoot out for a few hours but I look forward to lots of reading material when I get home.

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Secondarily, I went to a talk the other day which a researcher has suggested for psychiatric disorders like schizophrenia, there is alot of evidence that the cognitive difficulties that affect someone after their first break is there in the majority of people before first break-


Can you give some examples?


Cognitive difficulties are usually grouped into what is called "negative symptoms." They are more difficult to treat. What you see, for example, are issues with concentration, problems with memory, recall,executive functioning and verbal abilities.

What is complicated, however, is many of these cognitive impairments occur with people who never develop schizophrenia, so it's difficult to diagnose in a vacuum. What has been generally the research criteria is to locate people with a first degree relative with schizophrenia and study lifelong functioning to see if there are major differences between those who don't and do develop psychotic symptoms. To some extent, there are some statistically significant findings, however, there is more research to be done around issues of environmental insults, again, because lifelong learning issues are also consider social stressors and the stress may be triggering the latent schizophrenia rather than being the precursors.

I think, for me, some of this has been particularly relevant b/c my brother has schizophrenia and you can end up trying to find an explanation for why it happened and why it didn't happen to me for example (i.e. survivor's guilt). And you end up having to be mindful as children are born in our family, though outside of first degree relatives, the chances of inheriting it are pretty low. I do know he had significant cognitive issues before he had his first break--I just don't know if that caused lifelong issues that triggered other things or whether he would have had it regardless.

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My question would then be, how can one determine prior who is at risk? Many people may have it in their history, but do all? And that's where my question of adding therapy lessons would come in. I agree it would be interesting to see the age of the new mothers they worked with. Is it more common to find in a younger woman, or in an older one?


This is really a valid point. I think that not everyone has it in their history. I think that it would be particularly helpful for OB/GYNs to have educational classes around PPD as well as some good mental health training and referral sources. Moreover, here in Cambridge MA, we actually have a psychiatric clinic for pregnant women and young mothers, which would seem to be a helpful resources. More than anything, I think that if OB/GYNs see mother's becoming isolated, they should offer support and have classes available.

Alot of this stuff needs to happen in Medical School and at various clinics. There is some advantage to mental illness becoming more acceptable to talk about b/c other practitioners are more likely to understand that as a major issue.

I know some new mothers, personally, and I remember seeing my sister after her second child--i've never seen someone so tired in my life. And she is someone with a good husband, financial stability and alot of support--ie ideal situation, and it's still really hard. I think from seeing friends, the biggest risk for new parents is that they can become socially isolated b/c they have major responsibilities at home. I worry about that, particularly in regard to emerging symptoms. I wonder if it'd be helpful to have places, even in clinics, for support groups for young mothers and fathers--they have them to some extent but I think they need to be more widely available. And to provide childcare.

Public education is really key. I think that some new parents experience a significant amount of shame even when there are no significant issues, but particularly with mental health problems. There is an expectation around parenting, that people need to be adept in every possible way otherwise they are failures. Shame, more than anything, prevents people from seeking treatment. I think if Mental Health issues, in a wide spectrum, are seen as a potential issue for parents that happens to a significant percentage of people, mothers and fathers might feel as if they can disclose their psychiatric issues to their providers. And you hope the providers will be astute and well educated in these specific issues.

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Secondarily, I went to a talk the other day which a researcher has suggested for psychiatric disorders like schizophrenia, there is alot of evidence that the cognitive difficulties that affect someone after their first break is there in the majority of people before first break-


Can you give some examples?


Cognitive difficulties are usually grouped into what is called "negative symptoms." They are more difficult to treat. What you see, for example, are issues with concentration, problems with memory, recall,executive functioning and verbal abilities.


So you're saying Samira is in a pre-schizophrenic state?

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#7 Dec 11 2006 at 7:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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Pre? Ain't no "pre" about it.

But that actually brings up a decent point, which Annabelle touched on already: there are a lot of symptoms that are pretty common within the larger population, and it's easy to misdiagnose.

An acquaintance was recently diagnosed with a physical condition that his partner had assumed was depression. I'm sure the same thing happens in reverse, where mental disorders are initially misdiagnosed as physical.

Doesn't help (going back to the original article) that the two intertwine so often. I sometimes think our overly-simplified DSM type diagnosis model is somewhat useless. It's good to know that more doctors and doctors-to-be are being trained to think of mental illness as a spectrum instead of as a discrete single diagnosis.
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The problem with the DSM model is that alot of people think that diagnoses are definitive and meaningful in a way that they really aren't. Over the lifespan, diagnoses change as new symptoms emerge and others become latent. What diagnoses are supposed to be are merely descriptions, grouping symptoms together, that possibly guide practitioners to treatment. If offers a way of communicating potential issues between practitioners and realistically, it helps with insurance companies who require more concrete data to make determinations.

They serve a secondary purpose, in a cautionary way, to help people concretize their problems with the hope of finding other people who have similar issues to decrease isolation--i.e. they allow for a sense of identification and when something is named--it can seem as if it more manageable than a nebulous set of symptoms that often result in people feeling isolated, confused and locates the locus of control far too internally. The problem is when it becomes so intrinsic that people use it as an identity to the point of the exclusion of other identities.

I would say the problem isn't inherently the DSM or the medical model but the stressed out mental health system where psychiatrists aren't allowed to see patients for more than 15 minutes every month or two. Most will say that is highly insufficient and they would rather see people more often, diagnose less and focus on symptoms and functioning rather than categorization. However, that doesn't exist presently, especially given the lack of parity between mental health and physical health. More care given would allow things like ruling out physical illnesses or ways that particular cognitive issues affect functioning.
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I was paranoid about PPD as well and spent a stupid amount of time reading about symptoms, causes, correllations between other disorders, etc. I made my ex-husband read about symptoms and made him promise to say/do something if I seemed too nutty or bizarre.

Of course, I was mostly fine. I did have the baby blues, but in a way I was unprepared for and still seems strange now. I went through (for about a week) a period of what I can only describe as mourning for my pregnancy. Although it defies logic and I recognized that at the time, it took me a little while to reconcile (emotionally) that the baby I was holding was the same baby that I'd carried for nine months. I missed her and felt lonely being separated from her and felt that this new baby was someone new that I had to care for. Loony toony.

Anyway, I like her ok now. ;)

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The Glorious annabellaonalexander wrote:
The problem with the DSM model is that alot of people think that diagnoses are definitive and meaningful in a way that they really aren't.


And there's a topic for the ages.

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#11 Dec 11 2006 at 8:43 AM Rating: Good
Not sure if this was answered in any the above posts but what exactly triggers PPD? Is it the wrong hormone being released or is it some mental issue that women get not essentially a chemical imbalance. Have any of you been around a new mother with PPD?
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The problem with the DSM model

Is that Chrysler was involved in their design?



Wait...we're not talking about cars?

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I was pretty terrified of this happening to me as well because 1) my aunt told me how she went through a period where all she could do was sob uncontrollably and that I would end up being unexplainably sad and 2) my mother has a long history of panic attacks and mental illness. Fortunately I had two amazingly easy labors and delivery and never once felt the baby blues my aunt had described. I vaguely remember my mother confessing to me that when I was an infant, she'd come to my crib and make me cry on purpose. She'd do things to me like pinch me until I cried out. This made me especially scared of what might happen to my mental state.

My cousin (from above mentioned aunt) had a baby last year and I'd heard her baby blues were pretty severe, enough to warrant several family visits to the mainland to assist. I'd been surprised to hear that because though she really wanted children, she only had one ovary and had never expected to be able to have any. I consider myself very lucky. +_+
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I was pretty terrified of this happening to me as well because 1) my aunt told me how she went through a period where all she could do was sob uncontrollably and that I would end up being unexplainably sad and 2) my mother has a long history of panic attacks and mental illness. Fortunately I had two amazingly easy labors and delivery and never once felt the baby blues my aunt had described. I vaguely remember my mother confessing to me that when I was an infant, she'd come to my crib and make me cry on purpose. She'd do things to me like pinch me until I cried out. This made me especially scared of what might happen to my mental state.

My cousin (from above mentioned aunt) had a baby last year and I'd heard her baby blues were pretty severe, enough to warrant several family visits to the mainland to assist. I'd been surprised to hear that because though she really wanted children, she only had one ovary and had never expected to be able to have any. I consider myself very lucky. +_+
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I did have the baby blues, but in a way I was unprepared for and still seems strange now. I went through (for about a week) a period of what I can only describe as mourning for my pregnancy. Although it defies logic and I recognized that at the time, it took me a little while to reconcile (emotionally) that the baby I was holding was the same baby that I'd carried for nine months. I missed her and felt lonely being separated from her and felt that this new baby was someone new that I had to care for.


That's one of the sweetest things I've ever read, actually. <3
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Not sure if this was answered in any the above posts but what exactly triggers PPD? Is it the wrong hormone being released or is it some mental issue that women get not essentially a chemical imbalance. Have any of you been around a new mother with PPD?


I personally dont know the answer to this, Sora, but I'll take a stab and say while it might not be completely for this reason, the chemicals in a womans body during pregnancy and then the major drop of other chemicals once the baby has been born is significantly different compared to a woman not gestating. There is a huge change in your chemical influx almost immediatly after birth as your body does not need to produce those to keep the child thriving, while others are kicked into gear to help keep the child alive outside the womb. Add that in with a newborn who is literally needing you 24/7 exclusively for the next few weeks, your body physically trying to recoup, and you being lucky to get a decent amount of sleep, and you have the foundation for some major mental explosion.

Every woman I think worries about PPD, especially after such highlighted media coverage as we have seen over the years. You always wonder in the back of your head "Could this be me?" Its rarer than the baby blues, a much milder version, but the violence it can affect on the woman mentally, and then possibly creating victims of the children, is devastating. Except for sheer exhaustion, I was lucky last time not to have the Baby Blues, and I hope this time for it to be the same, but you just can not tell. It's why communication between partners is essential so that the spouse can know and be on the lookout for any signs that the woman may not ( or may not want to) notice.
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Every woman I think worries about PPD, especially after such highlighted media coverage as we have seen over the years. You always wonder in the back of your head "Could this be me?" Its rarer than the baby blues, a much milder version, but the violence it can affect on the woman mentally, and then possibly creating victims of the children, is devastating.


I'd also just like to note that there's a HUGE difference between Post Partum Depression and Post Partum Psychosis (the much more severe and far rarer condition that Andrea Yates suffered from). If someone is suffereing from PPD, it shouldn't be assumed that they are in any way violent or suicidal (not directed at you DSD, just a general note).

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I know some new mothers, personally, and I remember seeing my sister after her second child--i've never seen someone so tired in my life. And she is someone with a good husband, financial stability and alot of support--ie ideal situation, and it's still really hard. I think from seeing friends, the biggest risk for new parents is that they can become socially isolated b/c they have major responsibilities at home.


Forgot to quote and comment on this.

Not only do women have a lot of responsibility at home with a newborn, but also depending on their social circle, age, etc, they may not have the network readily available to them in order to meet people of similiar circumstances with a newborn, where they can lean upon each others shoulders. On a personal note, when my son was born, I was one of the younger mothers in my area. Most women in my area wait until their 30's before they consider having a family, working on their career first. I was 22 when my son was born, my husband and I deciding to have our family younger. I looked even younger, to the point where a lot of people who did not know me assumed (sometimes even verbally to my face ha!) that I was a young, unwed, teenage mother. Whoops on their part ;)

None of my friends that I hung out with from high school or work had kids. None of my very close friends that I grew up with now have any kids. However, I consider myself lucky in that I was able to find a network of young mothers who had formed a playgroup, both to socialize their kids, but more to drink coffee and compare war stories. I was very very lucky to find women of similiar age going through exactly what I was. But the only reason I found that was because the woman who started it posted fliers in our Drs office and I took a chance to call. Now 4 years later, our kids have gone to school together, mothers have come and gone, but Ive been able to find and keep 3 friendships, 2 of which are my age with kids the same age. We still get together once a week for that coffee and let our kids run around tearing each others houses respectively. =)

Unfortunately not everyone gets this chance. I wish more new mothers were able to think about posting fliers like my friend did, in search of creating your own network, safety net, which can help. Isolation will magnify any problems a new mother may have. But having someone to talk to who is literally going through what you are, and someone you can feel a connection with, can also make a huge difference in the opposite way.
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Every woman I think worries about PPD, especially after such highlighted media coverage as we have seen over the years. You always wonder in the back of your head "Could this be me?" Its rarer than the baby blues, a much milder version, but the violence it can affect on the woman mentally, and then possibly creating victims of the children, is devastating.


I'd also just like to note that there's a HUGE difference between Post Partum Depression and Post Partum Psychosis (the much more severe and far rarer condition that Andrea Yates suffered from). If someone is suffereing from PPD, it shouldn't be assumed that they are in any way violent or suicidal (not directed at you DSD, just a general note).

Nexa


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#23 Dec 11 2006 at 10:29 AM Rating: Good
Guess I'll ghey up the thread.

My hat off to you women. Bearing our child through an uncomfortable 9 months of swollen ankles and nausea. Bob bless you for pushing something the size of football out of your special place, then having to face some deep seeded psychosis/chemical hormone that may or may not want you to abandon your child or end your life.

Guess I can't complain when the wifey has a craving for that certain Ice Cream you can only get across state lines.
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Long winded, as this is my own experience with PPD and stress bringing on mental illnesses.

I had PPD with my second child. At the time I didn't really know if there was a family history of mental illness. It just wasn't something my family was willing to admit and talk about at the time.

I had what one would think of a bad case of baby blues right after she was born, but though it was due to doctors that still treated labor as their turf, and I wasn't suppose to think for myself. I blamed the Navy system for them still being in the dark ages.

When the ex though became mentally ill with panic attacks, on top of my depression, things became serious. I could no longer cope at all, and went in to the base hospital for help. At the time, they had no system in place to deal with dependants with mental health issues.

I was sent to the county mental health clinic where I was given daily out patient care until we moved so ex could go to electronic school and change rates. (It was the fact that the 1st class PN, was against him changing rate, to ET that sent in into the panic attacks.)

The very bad treatment I was given in Lake Co. Ill. was behind me realizing that I was no longer suffering from depression, just bad doctor and therapists and off medications. While living near my oldest sister, I did learn that I wasn't the only one in the family who suffered from depression.

When we had to move for the 3 time in one year I found myself pregnant again and scare enough of getting PPD, that I did have to think seriously about abortion. I knew the risks, but realized that with care, I wanted the child more then I worried about PPD. So I demanded high risk care and with ex came up with a plan to minimize the chances of developing PPD.

After my daughter was born, he watch for signs of me becoming too tired and would take over caring for all 3 girls while I got a chance for catching up on my sleep. That seem to do the trick for us the first 6 months and then I was able to go back to the local college and take some classes, so I had life outside of taking care of 3 kids under the age of 6.

I had a bout of depression 3 years later, but it was caused by a sudden lack of faith in a God that would let Tienanmen Square protesters be massacred. 3 months of therapy and I was fine again, until I realized how emotionally I was abused by my husband and wanted out of my marriage. It wasn't until I became unable to work due to FMS, that I needed medication and found out more of my family's history of mental illness.

By then my girls were all being treated for depression and my parents face up to the facts. We had always kidded about my grandma being crazy, and I learn that there was more then her not liking men and being religious behind the nutty behavior. My other grandma also show sign of being Agoraphobic.

So while I did have PPD for 18 months, it took another stresses to bring on my current mental illness of clinical depression and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Only one of my children still is in treatment, since we now know she is bi-polar due to her moving out and into her father's apartment. Seems now that she had signs of the illness as young as 5 years old. My other 2 girls, just watch out for the signs of depression and seek treatment as needed.

If it wasn't for their father, I have a feeling we might of been able to go though life never knowing, anything could trigger mental illness in out family.

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#26 Dec 11 2006 at 11:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Holy fUck, your life is like a soap opera based on a country song about a Greek tragedy.
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