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#1 Dec 08 2006 at 10:46 AM Rating: Default
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The death of a family's beloved canine companion in Vermont has sparked a legal battle over pets' rights and the question of whether they should be recognized family members.

Denis and Sarah Scheele of Annapolis, Md., were moved to push for the courts to give legal recognition to the bond between humans and animals after they lost their "little boy," a mixed-breed adopted dog named Shadow on a family vacation in 2003. Legal recognition would allow people to sue for "loss of companionship" damages when their pets are the victims of animal cruelty.

"Pets give so much to us, unconditionally," Sarah Scheele said. "You can't put a price on that."


It's a slow day in here, figured I'd throw something against the wall and see if it sticks. Plus I love dogs, so this is interesting to me. On the other side of things though, I think people have enough to sue for...dogs gone, it's sad, so how does the money really help at this point. Still, if someone shot my "little girl" and killed her...ooooohhhh baby I'd be a little upset. Picture of this dog looks a lot like mine too, *sniffle*.

So, is it sticking? Or did it just slide right down into an embarrasing blob of goo on the floor?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,235240,00.html
#2 Dec 08 2006 at 10:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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Denis and Sarah Scheele of Annapolis, Md., were moved to push for the courts to give legal recognition to the bond between humans and animals
They have a legal term for that. It's called "property".

I like my cat and all and I suppose that if he was a $15,000 cat and someone killed him, I'd sue them for my fifteen grand back but... he ain't a little furry person, he's a cat.
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#3 Dec 08 2006 at 10:58 AM Rating: Default
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Denis and Sarah Scheele of Annapolis, Md., were moved to push for the courts to give legal recognition to the bond between humans and animals
They have a legal term for that. It's called "property".

I like my cat and all and I suppose that if he was a $15,000 cat and someone killed him, I'd sue them for my fifteen grand back but... he ain't a little furry person, he's a cat.


Cats don't tend to have the personality dogs do, from what I've experienced owning both over 20 years. Cats are more independent, they don't regard their owners as much more than "the people who drop the food". And even in regards to aquiring food, they can be quite independent if they are outdoor cats.

Dogs are pack animals, cats really aren't. They get very attached to their "people", and vice-versa. So in that sense, it is like a cross species family. Now, whether or not people give a crap is another story.

#4 Dec 08 2006 at 11:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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I agree that it's a matter of property; I'm just not that clear on who's the owner.

I'd be upset, too; but the bottom line is, you keep your dog off of other peoples' property for the dog's sake as well as theirs.
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Cats are more independent
You've never met my cat.
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#6 Dec 08 2006 at 11:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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Mine either. I sometimes have to remind him that he is, in fact, supposed to be aloof once in a while.
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#7 Dec 08 2006 at 11:12 AM Rating: Default
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Cats are more independent
You've never met my cat.


I did have a rare cat who seemed to enjoy my company quite a bit once, at least more then the rest I've owned (six). He liked to sleep on the end of the bed, loved to curl up in my lap while watching some TV, that sort of thing. But mostly, the just do driveby's for a quick back/head scratch once in a while and go about their business.

My dog however...dear lord. There isn't such a thing as "too much attention" for them. They want to be hanging out with you 24/7, whether it be sleeping under your chair as you work on the computer, or playing with a squeaky ball. She just loves company, and gets really depressed when she's without it for extended periods of time.

I suppose it all does depend on the individual animal though, obviously Joph you have a cool cat. If I could have everyone of my cats be like my first, I would probably own quite a few. But with most of the furry guys since it's like I'm running a cat halfway house.

ed. Joph, are your cats indoor or outdoor? That seems to make a difference too.

Edited, Dec 8th 2006 2:15pm by xtremereign
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I honestly and with all sincerity believe that I have a developmentally disabled cat.

More to the point, my theory is that he was removed from his mother prior to being weaned and has never really developed out of some needy kitten-hood. He doesn't jump or mock-hunt but he always has to be in the room where the action is and, as soon as he sees you sit or lay, he has to jump up on you and start kneeding furiously. And he meows like a mentally retarded banshee when left alone.

However, he's completely docile when it comes to the attentions of a seven year old boy and puts up with a lot of shit. So, for that alone, he gets to stick around the house.

He's an indoor cat. Neutered and declawed front and back (not by us) and was found as an unclaimed stray. I have no idea how he managed to survive in the "wild" with his disposition and lack of claws. He's probably about three years old at this point or a little less.

Edited, Dec 8th 2006 2:21pm by Jophiel
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#9 Dec 08 2006 at 11:22 AM Rating: Good
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I honestly and with all sincerity believe that I have a developmentally disabled cat.


I blame the all the Q-Tip sex you submitted the cat to in it's youth.
#10 Dec 08 2006 at 11:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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Neutered males tend to be the most people-oriented, I think. Females, even spayed females, are much more aloof.
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#11 Dec 08 2006 at 11:26 AM Rating: Good
I want 50 cents compensation for my goldfish that died when I was changing his water back in high school because the school washroom sinks did not have a drain cover that would stop items from going down.

That was such a sad day, it was like losing a friend. *tear*

Don't get me started on that say I was camping and I caught a new pet firefly. IT was dead in the morning because someone thought it would be a good idea to shake the jar I forced him to call home. I'll always remember blinky.



Stoopid people. Pets = property, not family.
#12 Dec 08 2006 at 8:22 PM Rating: Default
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#13 Dec 08 2006 at 8:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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My cat's really people-friendly, but someone said neutered males tend to be more often, so that might be it.

Still, he's a cat.
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All of my cats are friendly. The kitten is a little standoffish, but she's a kitten. The other 2 are fixed adults, and the male is extremely needy. Always wants to be in the same room, sleeps in my lap, etc. That being said, they are nowhere as nedy as the dog is. SOmetimes I find myself putting her outside so I can have some "me" time.
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#15 Dec 08 2006 at 9:11 PM Rating: Default
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My cat's really people-friendly, but someone said neutered males tend to be more often, so that might be it.

Still, he's a cat.


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My cat's really people-friendly, but someone said neutered males tend to be more often, so that might be it.

Still, he's a cat.


The only reason the sun also rose for Hemmingway, was that there weren't yet fingers on nuclear buttons.


Ah, good, you made sense on that other thread, I was starting to get worried.
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#17 Dec 08 2006 at 9:40 PM Rating: Default
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Ah, good, you made sense on that other thread, I was starting to get worried.


Don't worry, that reminded me of a parable an ex-girlfriend once told me about a couple who went bowling.

Hey, honey, you wanna have sex tonight?
You wanna go bowling?


And that is how she saw a couple like that at a bowling alley with bowling-ball-or-whatever-thing-a-ma-semi-pro-jigs on their wrists attatched to their thumbs? Capiche?

P.S. And our song was Guns 'n Roses Sweet Child 'O Mine, so don't worry, you can't compete.

Edited, Dec 9th 2006 4:01am by MonxDoT
#18 Dec 09 2006 at 11:52 AM Rating: Decent
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My gf's cat was never spayed or declawed. That cat is completely and wholey DEVOTED to my gf. If she is not getting attention at that very moment she does her strange little "cat bark" (yes, bark. For the lack of a better description) and rubs against the closest thing she can get to her. I've been around dogs but they can't hold a candle to this specific cat. Her life revolves around my gf.
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