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#1 Nov 24 2006 at 3:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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I need help building the best gaming PC I can for under a grand. I can put the parts together, but I'm not up to speed on what the best parts are and I'm horribly busy (read: lazy), so if you're bored and the Christmas spirit moves you to help out, fantastic! I usually go through Newegg, but if someone has other suggestions on where to get the actual components as well, that's great.

Primarily, I'm looking for suggestions on processor, harddrive, video card, and ram. Also, should I get two SLI video cards and throw them in together or one higher end video card...I'm getting mixed input on this.

Help help, save me from indecision!

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#2 Nov 24 2006 at 4:10 PM Rating: Decent
Aside from newegg, I would use Zipzoomfly, they have free and pretty fast shipping IIRC.
#3 Nov 24 2006 at 4:32 PM Rating: Good
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I find This Site is useful.

It's a Brit site but some colonials post there, and if you look in the forums, people post their budgets and proposed specs, while a number of seasoned builders advise on alternative components and vendors.

Good Luck.
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#4 Nov 24 2006 at 4:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't know if I trust the British anymore...but I'll look anyway. *looks suspicious*

Thanks doll, you're the swellest!

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#5 Nov 24 2006 at 4:49 PM Rating: Good
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Nexa wrote:
I don't know if I trust the British anymore...but I'll look anyway. *looks suspicious*

Thanks doll, you're the swellest!

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British?

Untrustworthy?

Why, isn't our motto: "There's a check in your mouth, and I promise not to come in the mail"?

or something like that
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#6 Nov 24 2006 at 5:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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Under a grand huh? Ok I'm going to operate on the asumption that you will be re-using your existing CD / DVD drives for now then. I'm also going to focus on motherboard, processor and video card, and reccomend a minimum of RAM since you can easily upgrade that later on.

Motherboard: Asus P5n32-E SLI $299.00
This motherboard is the current top of the line for Asus in my oppinion on the Intel side. It is SLI capable, but you do not have to run it in SLI mode initially. Adding a second video card later on is not a problem (no windows reinstalls or anyhting stupid along those lines) Regardless of if you end up going SLI or not, I would get this board. Keep in mind the motherboard is the most pain in the *** component to replace, so i would advise going with the best board you can afford.

http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=397&model=1459&modelmenu=1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131073
There is also a super high end variant of this board called the striker extreme. it retails for $399 though, so thats a bit out of the budget.

Ram: $99.00
I usually reccomend Corsair ram. But they are expensive and this is a budget build. So, generic ram, Two 512MB DDR2 800 sticks, for a total of 1GB. This will leave you two empty ram slots. You want to upgrade in pairs and keep the Ram type pretty much the same. Nothing wrong with this ram, it's just not a name brand
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820161067

Processor: $308.00
On your budget, about the best processor available is going to be the Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz. This is a true 2nd Generation dual core processor, and performce on par with the older Single core 3.4 Ghz processors in most situations, including gaming. If you find any other budget money available, You may want to go with a better processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115003

Hard drive: $150
For a gaming PC I like to reccomend a dual Hard drive Raid 0 array, but I don't think we can squeeze one in on this budget. So instead i'm going to reccomend a single 74gb 10,000 RPM Western Digital Raptor drive. If that ends up being not enough space you can also add a secondary 300-400 gb drive later on.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822136033

You could also skip the 10,000 RPM drive and go with a 7200 RPM drive for around $75.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144701

If you are thinking about going SLI or getting a high end video card, you'll want to reserve $100 for a 500-600 watt power supply.


Video card:
As far as graphics cards go, the current top of the line is the EVGA Geforce FX 8800GTX. Two of those in SLI mode and you would have the most insane gaming PC on the surface of the planet. At $650 per card though, they are not at all cheap.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130072

Next step down from there would be 7950 gx2 $450
This is what I currently run. The cards are actualy 2 cards in onw. SO you can run quad SLI if you have two of them. Two 8800's are going to be faster than 2 7950's, even with quad SLI.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150160

After that, there is the 7900gx. The individual card core is faster than the 7950, but the 7950 has 2 of them, so it is overall faster. This is still a very good card, and this particular one is only $199 after rebate.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150195

SLI is cool, but i'd go single for now and upgrade later on this budget.

So if you go with the 7900gx card and the slower hard drive, you could put that together for around $908. You would also need a case and power supply if you are not going to reuse your existing ones. I can reccomend a good case if you like. The Raid 0 array really does help for gaming, specifically for Zone load times, but it is expensive to get into and you would need two of the 74gb 10,000 drives (or 2 of the even spiffier but twice as costly 150gb 10,000 drives). It's one of those decisions that whatever way you decide, changing your mind later on will require a full windows reinstall.

You might also consider building in stages. Get the higher end components and processor, but get the cheapest pci express video card you can find. Live with it for a few months and then buy a high end card? I've done that in the past and it works well in the end.

The new quad core intel processors are coming out very soon as well, so there may be a price drop on the core 2 duo processors. that motherboard will suppors either type.

Hope that helps!

Edited, Nov 24th 2006 5:10pm by Kaolian
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#7 Nov 24 2006 at 5:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
I am the awesomest


/swoon

Thanks baby, you're the greatest!

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#8 Nov 24 2006 at 5:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Hard drive: $150
For a gaming PC I like to reccomend a dual Hard drive Raid 0 array, but I don't think we can squeeze one in on this budget. So instead i'm going to reccomend a single 74gb 10,000 RPM Western Digital Raptor drive. If that ends up being not enough space you can also add a secondary 300-400 gb drive later on.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Pr...16822136033

You could also skip the 10,000 RPM drive and go with a 7200 RPM drive for around $75.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Pr...16822144701


IS there really a noticeable performance difference between 7200 and 10k for gamers? Let me rephrase, how noticeable is the difference?
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#9 Nov 24 2006 at 5:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Smasharoo wrote:
how noticeable is the difference?
Mine goes to 11
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#10 Nov 24 2006 at 6:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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It is a very noticible diference in my opinion. Primarily in PC boot time, Program load time, and other load operations. It's about the same performance increase magnatude as you would get from going from a 5400 rpm drive to a 7200 RPM drive. On a high end PC you are going to save 4 or 5 seconds of boot time Going from around 35 seconds to 30 seconds on my machines. One of my IT co-workers who is also a gamer was skeptical about the performance increase, but he bought the 150gb raptor anyways and now he swears by them too. These days when you are waiting on something on your computer on a high end machine it usually isn't processor or ram, its just data load.

All of my PC's in the future will have 10,000 rpm drives.
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Nexa wrote:
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
I am the awesomest


/swoon

Thanks baby, you're the greatest!

Nexa


You're welcome! it's what I do!
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#12 Nov 25 2006 at 8:29 AM Rating: Decent
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TigerDirect is also a good computer component site.
#13 Nov 25 2006 at 9:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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Western Digital? [:gag:]

Those are as durable as...something not so durable. When I worked at a compy store, most clients coming in saying that their hard drives sounded like a bag of loose change had WD.


HazelEyedDragn wrote:
TigerDirect is also a good computer component site.


ARE YOU MAD?!
#14 Nov 25 2006 at 11:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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I've used them without issue for years. I have had problems with Maxtor and seagate. so take that for what its worth. PLus the 10krpm drives have additional bearings and case reinforcement.
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This is a true 2nd Generation dual core processor, and performce on par with the older Single core 3.4 Ghz processors in most situations, including gaming.


Not to mention it can be safely overclocked to 3G by a 9 year old on stock cooling, from Windows even, with the nTune ap that ships with the 680 chipset. Also, to be honest, even out of the box, an E6600 is going to bury all single core chips regardless of clockspeed, particularly in gaming.

People still building gaming PC's paying $500+ for Windsor based AMD chips are nuts. Even worse, people are still shelling out close to a grand for a bloody Pressler based Intel chip that underperforms a stock E6400 are either insane, or figure they're getting good value in not having to buy a space heater for their rooms by getting a chip that runs hotter than the sun.

The C2D's are a giant home run for Intel, barring some insnae sudden development out of left feild, they'll be the chip of choice for gamers for at least the next 10-12 months. AMD is in giant trouble there at least in the short term.

Having hotter, slower, more expensive chips won't be a recepie for sucess even if Dell and Alienware continue to flog them to empty their inventories.

Anyway, that was 1000 times longer than I meant, in short Kao's dead on, the E6600 FTW if you're building new and it's nowhere near close at all.





Edited, Nov 26th 2006 7:48am by Smasharoo
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#16 Nov 26 2006 at 4:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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Smasharoo wrote:

Anyway, that was 1000 times longer than I meant, in short Kao's dead on, the E6600 FTW if you're building new and it's nowhere near close at all.


Well I'm glad that's what I ordered then! Way to reply two days later slacker, I need information nownownow, not when it's outdated!

Just kidding, I skipped almost all of your post and just read "thing you got is good". Thanks! :D

Nexa
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#17 Nov 26 2006 at 6:01 AM Rating: Good
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So, Ms. Nexa... what happened to "No more MMOs for me! They are da debil!"

sucker.
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This is clearly being built to play Tetris Attack, not WoW.
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#19 Nov 26 2006 at 6:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Mistress Nadenu wrote:
So, Ms. Nexa... what happened to "No more MMOs for me! They are da debil!"

sucker.


It's not for me, hehe. Sorry!

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Tetrisphere on the N64 > any other Tetris.
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Kao, while you're giving advice, what HDs would you recommend for a good RAID 0 setup?

Also, have you had any experience with Shuttle cases (and, more importantly, power supplies?). I'm considering getting a Radeon 1900 XTX since the local computer store is closing and I can get an awesome deal on it. Problem is, the case I want doesn't have the recommended wattage for it. However, I've heard that the Shuttle power supplies do amazing things.
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If you are going to go for a raid 0 arrya, you really need to go with 10,000 rpm drives. The western Digital Raptor x 150gb are the current top of the line, 2 of those are what you ideally want. However if you are on a budget or like me bought your array before those came out, the 74gb raptor version linked above is also a very good choice.

As far as the shuttle case goes, usually they are under rated. They do have a slight problem with heat dissipation, but it should work pretty well assuming you are going with one of the newer processors that require less wattage.

Worst case scenario, you might have to replace the power supply a year or so before you would have with a lower end card.
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#23 Nov 26 2006 at 4:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nexa wrote:


It's not for me, hehe. Sorry!

Nexa


You give high end gaming PC's as christmas presents!!!?

...


Marry me?
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#24 Nov 27 2006 at 6:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:

You give high end gaming PC's as christmas presents!!!?

...


Marry me?


I asked the boyfriend but he didn't seem overly thrilled with the idea, so I guess I'll have to pass for now, sorry! He's so closed-minded.

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</ /3 Smiley: frown

Oh ok. Can't argue with that I guess. WEll, give me a call if he turns out to be a psycopathic axe murdering country singer hippy or something then eh?
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#26 Nov 27 2006 at 7:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:

Oh ok. Can't argue with that I guess. WEll, give me a call if he turns out to be a psycopathic axe murdering country singer hippy or something then eh?


There's always hope!

Nexa
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