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#1 Nov 22 2006 at 11:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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Virtually all air travelers entering the United States beginning January 23 will need to show passports -- even U.S. citizens, the Homeland Security Department announced Wednesday.

Until now, U.S. citizens, travelers from Canada and Bermuda, and some travelers from Mexico who have special border-crossing cards for frequent visitors were allowed to show other proofs of identification, such as drivers' licenses or birth certificates.
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Under a separate program, Homeland Security plans to require all travelers entering the U.S. by land or sea, including Americans, to show passports or an alternative security identification card when entering the U.S. starting as early as January 2008.

The Homeland Security Department estimates that about one in four Americans has a passport. Some people have balked at the $97 price tag.
If passports are required to enter the country for all U.S. citizens, should the United States lower the cost to get one...
Yes:38 (66.7%)
No:19 (33.3%)
Total:57


Edited, Nov 22nd 2006 2:57pm by Jophiel
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#2 Nov 22 2006 at 11:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Holy Christ, it took me about ten edits to get the code right on that Smiley: laugh
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#3 Nov 22 2006 at 11:57 AM Rating: Good
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I'll vote no. I figure everyone should have to suffer same as me.
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I didn't vote. I could care less either way. It would be nice if they dropped the price but meh.
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You'll have to renew your's sooner or later!
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#6 Nov 22 2006 at 12:11 PM Rating: Decent
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do I want to pay more money or not pay more money?

Um. I voted YES. of course I do not know the full implications toward the federal economy if they were to lower the fee. I think my answer weould still be yes either way.
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#7 Nov 22 2006 at 12:14 PM Rating: Good
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You'll have to renew your's sooner or later!

Costs less.
I think.
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Kelvyquayo the Irrelevant wrote:
I do not know the full implications toward the federal economy if they were to lower the fee.
Me neither. Not that I think the "economy" is going to take a dive but I don't know exactly why a passport costs a hundred bucks -- and it might be for a very good reason.

I guess it was more a question of whether or not the government should lower the cost on what will be a required document for entering or leaving the nation you reside in. Particularly since other forms of ID were previously acceptable.
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#9 Nov 22 2006 at 12:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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I dunno. I guess it depends on what that money is used for.

Hey, what IS the passport fee used for, anyway? You can't tell me it actually costs that much just to process the damned thing.

#10 Nov 22 2006 at 12:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:

I guess it was more a question of whether or not the government should lower the cost on what will be a required document for entering or leaving the nation you reside in. Particularly since other forms of ID were previously acceptable.


Why should the price go down just because it's required?
#11 Nov 22 2006 at 12:28 PM Rating: Good
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Hey, what IS the passport fee used for, anyway? You can't tell me it actually costs that much just to process the damned thing.
Kickbacks to the tiny-square photo people?
#12 Nov 22 2006 at 12:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Whoot! I don't need one for the wedding in January! Miss it by 3 days. I should really get one again anyway. I dislike not having one.

Passports are always a good idea to have when travelling to a foreign country or back, anyway. Up here in Canuckistan, we have to pay $115 for a passport, I think? Been a while.
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Why should the price go down just because it's required?
That's for you to decide; hence the poll Smiley: grin

Regarding the passport costs, according to this boring bit of legalese, the new passorts incorporate RF technology so we can all get one step closer to receiving the Mark of the Beast. Interestingly, in the same document, it proposes lowering passport costs
The Federal Register wrote:
Application Fee for the Passport Card

Based on the recommendation of the independent third party, an
application fee of $20.00 is proposed for passport cards issued to
adults (age 16 and up), valid for ten years. A fee of $10.00 is
proposed for passport cards issued to minors (under age 16), valid for
five years. The basis of the passport card application fees is the
direct costs of producing passport cards, the card stock, technology,
adjudicating the application, printing the biographic information on
the card, and priority mail return of the card. Applicants will also be
required to pay the execution and expedite fees, if applicable. The
execution fee for persons seeking to apply for a passport card and
passport book will be $25.

Execution Fee

[...]The execution fee was set at $30.00 for each application during the
last cost of service study. Based on an internal review of our cost of
service, and information from the USPS, the Department of State is
proposing to reduce the execution fee to $25.00. All fees will be
subject to periodic review in the course of the Bureau of Consular
Affairs comprehensive cost of service studies to account for
operational changes, technological advances and economies of scale.
I suppose "economies of scale" might be a legitimate answer to why we should lower the cost for a required document though. Everyone who used to enter/leave the country on a driver's license is going to have to buy a passport.

I also notice that only comes to $55.00 so I guess the other $42 is profit Smiley: wink2

Edited, Nov 22nd 2006 3:32pm by Jophiel
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I dunno. I guess it depends on what that money is used for.

Hey, what IS the passport fee used for, anyway? You can't tell me it actually costs that much just to process the damned thing.



background checks mostly
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And in related news.....

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U.S. is most unfriendly country to visitors: survey
Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:14pm ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Rude immigration officials and long delays in processing visas have turned the United States into the world's most unfriendly country for international travelers, according to a global survey released on Monday.

The survey showed that the United States was ranked "the worst" in terms of visas and immigration procedures by twice the percentage of travelers as the next destination regarded as unfriendly -- the Middle East and the Asian subcontinent.

The survey, of 2,011 international travelers in 16 countries, was conducted by the polling firm RT Strategies for the Discover America Partnership, a business-backed group launched in September to promote travel to the United States and improve the country's image abroad.

More than half of the travelers surveyed said U.S. immigration officials were rude and two-thirds said they feared they would be detained on arriving in the United States for a simple mistake in their paper work or for saying the wrong thing to an immigration official.

"The entry process has created a climate of fear and frustration that is keeping foreign visitors away," said Geoff Freeman, executive director of the Discover America Partnership. "The survey shows there is more fear of our immigration officials than of terrorism or crime."


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#16 Nov 22 2006 at 12:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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Maybe if we promise we're not bad guys they could cut us a break? (You know, like they ask you if you have bad stuff in your luggage at airports.)

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Kickbacks to the tiny-square photo people?


Why do they hate the tiny oval photo people :(

#17 Nov 22 2006 at 12:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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"The entry process has created a climate of fear and frustration that is keeping foreign visitors away," said Geoff Freeman, executive director of the Discover America Partnership. "The survey shows there is more fear of our immigration officials than of terrorism or crime."


A climate of fear? In the United States? No way!

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#18 Nov 22 2006 at 1:24 PM Rating: Good
I voted "yes" but mainly because mine expires next year...
#19 Nov 22 2006 at 3:03 PM Rating: Good
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Don't really have a position on the Passport issue. I suppose I wouldn't have a problem with it being lowered, but I'm not sure if 97 bucks is really that big of a deal in most cases. I am a bit curious how they're going to manage that in border towns like San Diego. How will the high school kids get down to TJ to get their weekend party fix going? Will someone think of the children!?


And Jawbox, that article is at least a tiny bit (ok, more then a tiny bit) misleading. The survey is about applying for a visa. It's specific to immigration to the US, yet the article makes it sound like it's unfriendly to "international vistitors", which implies that this impacts tourists (and you felt the need to post it in a thread about passports, which is what tourists use...).
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#20 Nov 22 2006 at 3:10 PM Rating: Good
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Can someone channel shadowrelm? Am I on target?

i forsee a conspiracy inwhich our goverment is trying to keep people IN the country by making a passport abritrarily difficult to obtain. obviously they are trying to keep us from seeing the utopia that is the rest of the world.



edited to remove caps and to add some misc. shadowrelm to the post

Edited, Nov 22nd 2006 4:12pm by baelnic
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I am a bit curious how they're going to manage that in border towns like San Diego. How will the high school kids get down to TJ to get their weekend party fix going?


There was a lot of discussion about a license sized secure national ID card for Canada/Mexico border crossings that would cost around $20.


No idea if it's going forward or not, though.

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#22 Nov 22 2006 at 3:27 PM Rating: Good
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A foreigner's perspective.

US Immigration Officials: The most rude, arrogant and officious I've encountered anywhere. No eye contact, abysmal social skills and intimidation. Without exception, they all excuded an aura of "I may be stupiderer than what you iz, but I have teh gunz0rzz"

You might argue that social skills don't apply, but every other country I visit, the guards are personable and tend to engage more. Even the Eyetie Carabinieri tend to make light-hearted jokes about how embarassing your passport photo is, and you feel welcome in the country. If I were to judge Ameh'cuns by Immigration Officers, I'd avoid the country like the plague.

US Airport Security Staff: Efficient, friendly and reassuring. Genuinely welcoming (like most 'septics' I've met) while giving me confidence that they'd spot any dodgy items trying to get through. Sure, they rummage through my luggage, and even make me boot up my laptop to prove it's legit, but they do it with charm and courtesy.

I have to say before 9/11 it was the other way around. Immigration were guffawing hicks, while security treated foreigners like Shit.
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#23 Nov 22 2006 at 4:19 PM Rating: Good
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It'd be nice if they made them a bit more reasonable. As it was mentioned, those who were previously getting by with driver's license now have to get passports. It don't take a genius to foresee a big jump in demand for them now.

That said, I should just go ahead and get mine out of the way now. I plan on making a juant to Europe next year, and knowing my procrastinating *** I'll wait too long and then there will be a flood of applications delaying the processing of them all and I'll be fooked.
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#24 Nov 22 2006 at 5:04 PM Rating: Good
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Nobby, in every other country you visit they're more concerned about the Poles sneaking in to be govt-sucking layabouts. (or maybe that's just England) As long as you've stowed your babushka in your checked luggage and disguised it as a kilt you're OK.

Sorry Joph.
#25 Nov 22 2006 at 5:35 PM Rating: Good
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"The entry process has created a climate of fear and frustration that is keeping foreign visitors away," said Geoff Freeman, executive director of the Discover America Partnership. "The survey shows there is more fear of our immigration officials than of terrorism or crime."


A climate of fear? In the United States? No way!

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#26 Nov 23 2006 at 2:44 AM Rating: Decent
About the passport, I used to find it shocking that only 1 in 4 had a passport, since it means 75% of Americans have never left their country. And while it is not great, I can understand it in a way. The US is so big, and has so much variation, that you can have more or less everything you could want: Beaches, mountains, plains, trekking, Las Vegas...

But still, it doesn show a lack of interst for the rest of the world.

Having said that, I'm going to the US in a month. And since my passport i 5 years old, it's neither biometric, nor readable from those machines. Which means I either have to get a new French passport, biometric, and or have to get a VISA from the American Embassy in London.

Time to get a new French passport: 5 weeks.

Time to get a VISA from teh US Embassy: 5 days.

If I had had to rely on the French, my holiday would've been completely fUcked. So thanks for American efficiency.

Though maybe it has to do with the fact I told the guy at the Embassy I knew Gbaji from Alla.
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