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#27 Nov 23 2006 at 8:35 AM Rating: Decent

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Not harsh, but unnecessarily critical. You wouldn't have worked directly with him, but with whomever he was headhunting for, right? So if anything, it may have helped to come in and see the other person, and explain your reasons for taking the other job so you would leave a good impression, but hey, your choice. Whatevah.

I respectfully disagree. I don't think I was unnecessarily critical at all. I clearly stated where he dropped the ball in getting the contract to me - of all the agencies that I've ever dealt with, this is the most immediate thing you get squared away on - for the good of the client, the contractor (me) and themselves (agency). In regards to not having to work directly with him, well, he's the guy I would submit my invoices to and have to rely on him for getting my paychecks. If he's not staying on top of getting my contract to me, the alarm bells go off and my impression is he would be slacking on getting my paychecks to me in a timely manner. It's happened before and I'm not putting myself or my family through that. It's really a no-brainer.

Also, I've been thinking about sending an email to the Job A client to send my regrets - however to do so would entail how the broker/agency dropped the ball - I don't want to besmirch him to the client - I just don't care to deal with him.

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I guess manning up consists of asking my gamer buddies which job I should pick.

Neph, now who's being the dumbass? Smiley: rolleyes

That was never the point of my thread - you'd have figured that out if you were capable of reading comprehension. Obtuse ftl...

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It was not reasonably cordial either. You would probably realize this if you hadn't been unemployed for 3 months. Maybe you're a bit rusty.

In this situation where he messed up, I think I was as cordial as I could possibly be. I prefer to be honest with people - maybe he'll learn a lesson from this for future dealings and stay on top of what he needs to do to close the deal.

You know, I was being patient with you on my last post - thinking you misunderstood that I actually replied to the guy by addressing him as moron - which I didn't as I clearly stated that I just changed the names before posting those quotes from his and my emails. Obviously you still haven't grasped that. Regarding the unemployment for 3 months crack - nice cheap shot - yet again, you show yourself to be a complete jackass. Good for you.

Well, feel free to disagree or agree with your opinions on how I handled it, but I handled an unpleasant situation as best as I could and in the end, have a reliable agency and a better situation that's best for me and my family. See there, Neph? I was simply asking for opinions on the situation, which was the point. Get it now? No? Yeah, didn't think so. Smiley: laugh

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#28 Nov 26 2006 at 2:53 PM Rating: Good

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First impressions count, and the agent for job A really dropped the ball. Employers tend to forget that job seekers often feel a much greater sense of urgency about these things than employers do. That being said, Smoggy is right; 'I'll send it immediately' doesn't mean 'I'll try to get around to it sometime in the next few days'. I'd say he was lucky in avoiding being hired by an unreliable agency.

So yeah, Smoggy may have burned a bridge, but it doesn't sound like it was a bridge worth preserving.

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#29 Nov 27 2006 at 8:37 AM Rating: Good

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Not harsh, but unnecessarily critical. You wouldn't have worked directly with him, but with whomever he was headhunting for, right? So if anything, it may have helped to come in and see the other person, and explain your reasons for taking the other job so you would leave a good impression, but hey, your choice. Whatevah.

I respectfully disagree. I don't think I was unnecessarily critical at all. I clearly stated where he dropped the ball in getting the contract to me - of all the agencies that I've ever dealt with, this is the most immediate thing you get squared away on - for the good of the client, the contractor (me) and themselves (agency). In regards to not having to work directly with him, well, he's the guy I would submit my invoices to and have to rely on him for getting my paychecks. If he's not staying on top of getting my contract to me, the alarm bells go off and my impression is he would be slacking on getting my paychecks to me in a timely manner. It's happened before and I'm not putting myself or my family through that. It's really a no-brainer.

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear: Unnecessary because I'm sure your opinion won't change his M.O. one whit, and it was pretty much something done to make yourself feel better, not to get something done, which is what business-types want from you--not butt-hurtedness.

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Also, I've been thinking about sending an email to the Job A client to send my regrets - however to do so would entail how the broker/agency dropped the ball - I don't want to besmirch him to the client - I just don't care to deal with him.

Too late. You should have done this upon not recieving the proper response from the booking agent, before taking the other job.

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#30 Nov 27 2006 at 10:00 AM Rating: Good

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First impressions count, and the agent for job A really dropped the ball. Employers tend to forget that job seekers often feel a much greater sense of urgency about these things than employers do. That being said, Smoggy is right; 'I'll send it immediately' doesn't mean 'I'll try to get around to it sometime in the next few days'. I'd say he was lucky in avoiding being hired by an unreliable agency.

So yeah, Smoggy may have burned a bridge, but it doesn't sound like it was a bridge worth preserving.

Thanks Yan, nice to know someone gets it.

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it was pretty much something done to make yourself feel better, not to get something done, which is what business-types want from you--not butt-hurtedness.

Well, that's your interpretation of things, but it is incorrect. This was never meant to make me "feel better" - where do you get this idea from? It was to get something done - to remove myself from what very much appeared to be a shaky business situation.

I took no pleasure in having to do what I did - but in the end, burned bridges and all, I made the right call.

It's also not about "butt-hurtedness" - that's laughable - it's about being able to rely on this agent when it comes to getting the paperwork done and paychecks later. Better to find it out now than later when I'm having to get a lawyer or collection agency on his *** to send me my paychecks. Yes, that's an assumption on my part, but if he doesn't follow through initially with the frikkin' contract, it's not hard to assume the worse from this guy.

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#31 Nov 27 2006 at 11:46 AM Rating: Good

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Thanks Yan, nice to know someone gets it.

Oh I get it, I just don't see the point unless your field is wide enough that you're fairly sure you'll never have to deal with this individual again. However, if it's fairly narrow or constrained, you may find yourself wanting an even better job in the future whose gate may be guarded by this same individual. You acted on emotion. It's not an indictment, just an observation. A note stating that you were sorry your situation was time-sensitive and forced you to take another offer, didn't consider anything locked down until offer letter extended and signed, etc would have been more professional. Since a note that goes past the job refusal into the laborious finger-pointing of your next-to-the-last paragraph serves no other purpose than to inform him of something you already know he cares nothing about, I can only conclude that you did it to make yourself feel justified, righteous.

Like I said, I could care less. I understand why you did it, but if I was the company trying to hire you beofre, I wouldn't go near you now. The bridge that matters was burnt. /shrug

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#32 Nov 27 2006 at 1:42 PM Rating: Good

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I can only conclude that you did it to make yourself feel justified, righteous.

That's an absolutely absurd viewpoint that I have to dismiss - again, if anything, it was voicing frustration that he didn't have his act together. I agree that I could have handled it in a softer tone, but with the constant delays in getting the contract to me and lack of response was pretty fucked up on his part.

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Like I said, I could care less. I understand why you did it, but if I was the company trying to hire you beofre, I wouldn't go near you now. The bridge that matters was burnt. /shrug

Actually, they may not want to deal with the broker again if he couldn't close the deal in a timely manner like he was supposed to. Again, this was for a contract - a million agencies work with Job A. The problem was not with Job A or my relationship with them - the problem was with the Agency/Broker and me. A third-party situation. Job A client knows I was perfect for the gig and as it happens in business, sometimes things fall through. Better that I had not signed on initially than to have taken the job, go through more problems with the broker and end up leaving weeks or months into the project when things are more costly due to the broker's shoddy business practices.

There was no burning of bridges with Job A and my current agency deals with them as well - so if there is a future opportunity to be had there, I'm not worried about my chances. However, if the broker spins it to make himself look good to Job A client and trashes me, then I only have to explain my side of it and I have the paper trail to back me up.

Once I complete this contract, I'll have an outstanding client to add to my resume and it will help me land a permanent situation - neither of these clients (Job A and Job B) are hiring permanent tech writers, anyhoo.

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#33 Nov 27 2006 at 2:17 PM Rating: Good

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Smoggy, Flea is right. Quit bein' an ***.

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#34 Nov 27 2006 at 2:40 PM Rating: Good

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Smoggy, Flea is right. Quit bein' an ***.

You first, hater. Smiley: grin

While I respect Flea's opinion, I happen to disagree with her assumptions about the situation. Could I have handled the situation better? Maybe - the end result is still the end result - I have a better situation from the experience. It was not pleasant to go through - I am still boggled by the fact that some of you think I was taking some sort of glee in my email to the broker. I most definitely was not. *sigh, I guess I didn't communicate my situation clear enough for some folks here. At least Yan gets it.

The whole point of my thread here was to get some opinions on the situation - fine, some folks outright disagree with what I did, some people are misinterpreting what I wrote, some don't fully understand the dynamics of the situation, or just want to argue for argument's sake - I guess that can't be changed here. Funny enough, it sounds a lot like the old WoW Asylumites guild situation. Smiley: lol

So let the thread die already. I've more interesting threads to read. I'm outtie.

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