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#1 Nov 21 2006 at 4:59 PM Rating: Good
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This is long-winded, but it's been a strange day and I wanted to get your opinion on this.

So if you read my post entitled, Hi Ho, Hi Ho, you know I recently was offered a nice contract - about a year's worth of work (renewing the contract every 3 months) at $50/hr. It was a 1099 job, which I'm not a fan of. Wait, here's a little background...

I had two contracts that I was interviewing for - the one mentioned above for, let's call it "Job A" and a W-2 job that pays $57/hr at "Job B". Job B is closer, and I like the W-2. Well, last Friday, 2 days after interviewing at Job B and 4 days after I interviewed at Job A, I get an offer for Job A. Still primarily preferring Job B, I tried to get in touch with my agent for Job B. I left a msg in the morning and one in the afternoon. No response.

So, having been out of work for about 3 months now, I had to assume Job B wasn't going to happen and I needed to take Job A. Fine, no prob, it's still a good job. The Job A agent says he will send me the contract via email on Saturday. Saturday comes and goes, no email with the contract. Sunday and Monday roll by...still no contract. The agent for Job B calls me up to apologize for not getting back to me sooner, but he was out sick on Friday. Well, I told him I wish it hadn't worked out this way, but I gotta do what's best for my family. He was cool about it.

I call Job A agent this morning, Tuesday, and asked him what's the hold up regarding my contract. He says that one of his people was supposed to send it. He says he will send it out immediately and asked me for my email address again (which boggles my mind as he should already have that info). So I go out to run some errands for Thanksgiving and come back home 2 hours later. Still no email with a contract.

There is, however, an email from the Job B agent saying that Job B client wants to hire me. He understands I was going to go with Job A, but wanted to let me know. So I call him and let him know what's going on with Job A and how there is still no sign of a contract. I told him I'm going to call the Job A agent again and find out what's up and let him know I have this other offer on the table.

So I call Job A agent a second time today, but get only voice mail. I think the guy is a broker and works out of his house. Anyhoo, I tell him I have this other offer now and he really needs to get back to me and explain the hold up on the contract.

Then, the Job B agent has his supervisor who calls me to say they will bend over backward to get me an offer/contract letter emailed to me asap if Job A doesn't work out. At this point, I'm getting pretty frustrated with Job A so I said to the Job B superviser, you know what, I'll accept your offer. It's a better situation all round and I know they are a reputable agency. She gets the ball rolling and in 5 minutes, while I'm still on the phone with her, I have the contract printed out from Job B's agency's email to me.

So I call back Job A again, and again, I get his voice mail. I left him another msg, which pretty much says that since I haven't seen a contract that was supposed to be here last Saturday and weighing the pros of the other opportunity, I was just going to go with the other opportunity. I told him I wish I wasn't in this situation, but since he dropped the ball on not getting the contract to me, I felt I had little choice.

Now, I like to give folks the benefit of the doubt, but if you don't have your shit together or there is a legitimate reason for a delay, you should being doing your best to keep me updated or get the contract to me immediately. I hate having to reneg on a verbal agreement, as it goes against my ethics, but considering my situation, I think I did what was best for me and my family.

What do you all think, aside from this being a long-*** post? Smiley: tongue
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#2 Nov 21 2006 at 5:08 PM Rating: Good
Less words please Gbaji. Go with B and don't think about it again. If job A had been so keen on you coming to them they would have had their **** handled. You're better off going with the group that went out of their way to show you they wanted you working for them.
#3 Nov 21 2006 at 6:01 PM Rating: Good
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Personally I prefer 1099 jobs, aside from the quarterly taxes, but with all the job specific right offs I get it's worth it to me. That being said if you would rather work for Job B anyway and Job A is dropping the ball so badly what the hell are you worrying about?
#4 Nov 21 2006 at 7:28 PM Rating: Good
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I had this happen once. It may be that they are interviewing for a position for a job that they are confident they will be awarded, but no definite results are in on the bid. A bird in the hand, bla bla. I think you made the right choice.
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.That being said if you would rather work for Job B anyway and Job A is dropping the ball so badly what the hell are you worrying about?


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#6 Nov 21 2006 at 8:34 PM Rating: Good
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One Question I have is that the salaried position was offering more money than the 1099 position, usually its the other way around. If your salary at job A was 57 per hour, when you add in benefits, payroll tax etc, the company was going to have to shell out close to 90 per hour to get you, while company B foregoes those extras costs, with some minimal cost in paper work and fee, probably spending 60 per hour for you at the most. Seems like somehow you could negotiate the 30 per hour difference into your pockect instead of the company's.
#7 Nov 21 2006 at 8:46 PM Rating: Good
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Just to be clear, Job B is also a contract, but I'm considered permanent to the Job B agency (i.e., get 401k, medical & dental). Job B is also a 3-month contract and doubtful that it's renewable, but that's why they are paying me $57/Hr. That said, I'm more motivated to land a permanent job down the line and Job B is a high profile company, so it will look good on my resume. Also, the Job B agency is solid enough to make sure they find me more work before the end of this contract (if I don't find a permanent job on my own). Factoring that in along with the shorter commute, better pay, I'm glad things worked out the way they did.
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#8 Nov 21 2006 at 9:07 PM Rating: Good
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The Glorious GitSlayer wrote:
Personally I prefer 1099 jobs, aside from the quarterly taxes, but with all the job specific right offs I get it's worth it to me.


I agree, it is nice to get money back for blade sharpening and weed eater spools.


Congrats on getting the job you wanted Smoggy. I would think the effort you put into getting the contract more than makes up for renegging on a verbal agreement. They are the ones that dropped the ball.

Unless the dude had a relapse and is laid up in the ICU. Then you are just a baStard. Smiley: laugh
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#9 Nov 21 2006 at 9:10 PM Rating: Good
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HeresJohnny wrote:
The Glorious GitSlayer wrote:
Personally I prefer 1099 jobs, aside from the quarterly taxes, but with all the job specific right offs I get it's worth it to me.


I agree, it is nice to get money back for blade sharpening and weed eater spools.




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#10 Nov 21 2006 at 9:32 PM Rating: Good
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Then you are just a *******. icon


Not just any old *******, but a Magnificent *******! Smiley: grin
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#11 Nov 22 2006 at 9:15 AM Rating: Good
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Smoggy the Mighty wrote:
What do you all think, aside from this being a long-*** post? Smiley: tongue


I think the traffic going through Los Angeles is going to be horrible for my drive to San Diego. Smiley: frown

But you did the right thing with both agents. If Job A really wanted you, they would have followed through and kept the communication lines open.
#12 Nov 22 2006 at 9:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Smoggy the Mighty wrote:
What do you all think, aside from this being a long-*** post? Smiley: tongue


I think the traffic going through Los Angeles is going to be horrible for my drive to San Diego. Smiley: frown

But you did the right thing with both agents. If Job A really wanted you, they would have followed through and kept the communication lines open.


Plus there's the possibility that Job A would handle your paycheck with the same kind of follow through.
#13 Nov 22 2006 at 10:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Flip a coin pussy.
#14 Nov 22 2006 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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BloodwolfeX wrote:
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Plus there's the possibility that Job A would handle your paycheck with the same kind of follow through.


Yeah, that's what I was thinking, too. Once you sign on, you're really at their mercy if they want to dick around with your paycheck - happened to me on my last gig - I didn't really have the option to just up and quit when that was going on, either. I'll never do another contract with Data Inc. USA. Smiley: motz

Anyhoo - I got an email with the contract for Job A last night (names are changed):

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Smoggy sorry it has taken so long here is the contract. My admin was having email issues and could not send the contract until it was fixed. Since I am in the office now I am sending it. With respect to the offer from Genetech I understood we had an agreement in principle that I hope you will honor. If this is an issue of rate we can discuss matching the Genetech offer.


- talk about balls. So I responded with this:

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Moron,

It's not about my hourly rate. I've already signed a contract with the other agency for the contract job at Job B.

You took too long to send me the contract or to respond to me. You failed to send it to me on Saturday. I waited patiently all day Sunday and Monday - still no sign of a contract. I contacted you this morning about it - you said you would send the contract immediately this morning after I contacted you. Upon my return from errands two hours later, the contract still hadn't arrived nor any voice mail from you to explain the further delay. I became concerned with this situation.

As well, upon me contacting you a second time and you were unreachable for most of the day, I had to make a decision regarding the Job B offer that came in. They emailed a contract to me in 10 minutes. That's when I called and left you that third and final message.

Factoring in all of that, along with the fact that Job B is a better situation for me and my family, that I have been out of work for 3 months and I needed to be locked into a reliable situation, I decided to go with Job B. I agonized over the situation that was put before me, but the bottom line is I have to do what's best for me and my family.

In regards to honoring our agreement in principal, I held up my end until the ball was dropped on your end. There's no excuse for the previous delays and today's day-long delay in getting me the contract even after I spoke with you this morning and you said you would send it to me immediately. The final straw was any lack of update to explain why there was a further delay. It wasn't until 4pm or so (according to my answering machine) that you decided to get back to me. Immediately doesn't mean several hours later.

It's unfortunate how this panned out, but I need to be working with an agency that I can rely upon. I'm sure you will find another candidate for the job. Please send my regrets to the folks at Job A.

Regards,
A Magnificent *******


I haven't heard back from him today and I've submitted all the necessary paperwork to my Job B agency - it's nice to work with people who have their shit together.

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#15 Nov 22 2006 at 11:18 AM Rating: Good
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Smoggy the Mighty wrote:
BloodwolfeX wrote:
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Plus there's the possibility that Job A would handle your paycheck with the same kind of follow through.


Yeah, that's what I was thinking, too. Once you sign on, you're really at their mercy if they want to dick around with your paycheck - happened to me on my last gig - I didn't really have the option to just up and quit when that was going on, either. I'll never do another contract with Data Inc. USA. Smiley: motz

Anyhoo - I got an email with the contract for Job A last night (names are changed):

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Smoggy sorry it has taken so long here is the contract. My admin was having email issues and could not send the contract until it was fixed. Since I am in the office now I am sending it. With respect to the offer from Genetech I understood we had an agreement in principle that I hope you will honor. If this is an issue of rate we can discuss matching the Genetech offer.


- talk about balls. So I responded with this:

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Moron,

It's not about my hourly rate. I've already signed a contract with the other agency for the contract job at Job B.

You took too long to send me the contract or to respond to me. You failed to send it to me on Saturday. I waited patiently all day Sunday and Monday - still no sign of a contract. I contacted you this morning about it - you said you would send the contract immediately this morning after I contacted you. Upon my return from errands two hours later, the contract still hadn't arrived nor any voice mail from you to explain the further delay. I became concerned with this situation.

As well, upon me contacting you a second time and you were unreachable for most of the day, I had to make a decision regarding the Job B offer that came in. They emailed a contract to me in 10 minutes. That's when I called and left you that third and final message.

Factoring in all of that, along with the fact that Job B is a better situation for me and my family, that I have been out of work for 3 months and I needed to be locked into a reliable situation, I decided to go with Job B. I agonized over the situation that was put before me, but the bottom line is I have to do what's best for me and my family.

In regards to honoring our agreement in principal, I held up my end until the ball was dropped on your end. There's no excuse for the previous delays and today's day-long delay in getting me the contract even after I spoke with you this morning and you said you would send it to me immediately. The final straw was any lack of update to explain why there was a further delay. It wasn't until 4pm or so (according to my answering machine) that you decided to get back to me. Immediately doesn't mean several hours later.

It's unfortunate how this panned out, but I need to be working with an agency that I can rely upon. I'm sure you will find another candidate for the job. Please send my regrets to the folks at Job A.

Regards,
A Magnificent *******


I haven't heard back from him today and I've submitted all the necessary paperwork to my Job B agency - it's nice to work with people who have their shit together.



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#16 Nov 22 2006 at 11:43 AM Rating: Good
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Can you write my letter of resignation in a few months?
Really? I've never written one that is longer than three sentences.
#17 Nov 22 2006 at 11:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Oh...and good job burning bridges dumbass. Hopefully your little "***** you buddy" doesn't come back to bite you.

There is no benefit in a letter like that, even if some of the twits here think you are a badass.
#18 Nov 22 2006 at 12:18 PM Rating: Good
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Oh...and good job burning bridges dumbass. Hopefully your little "***** you buddy" doesn't come back to bite you.

There is no benefit in a letter like that, even if some of the twits here think you are a badass.
Unfortunately, although I would have worded it much nicer, I have to agree. It's not so much the message as the tone. A simple "I'm sorry but my decision was time-sensitive and I had to go with the concrete offer" would have sufficed. You could have then said you looked forward to any future opportunities and were sorry this one wasn't the right fit at this time.

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NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
There is no benefit in a letter like that, even if some of the twits here think you are a badass.
You calling me a twit was pretty badass though. I'm impressed! Smiley: grin
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#20 Nov 22 2006 at 12:28 PM Rating: Good
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NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
There is no benefit in a letter like that, even if some of the twits here think you are a badass.
You calling me a twit was pretty badass though. I'm impressed! Smiley: grin
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Jophiel wrote:
NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
There is no benefit in a letter like that, even if some of the twits here think you are a badass.
You calling me a twit was pretty badass though. I'm impressed! Smiley: grin


You haven't even posted in this thread. Odds are I wasn't referencing you.
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#23 Nov 22 2006 at 1:54 PM Rating: Good
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Smoggy the Mighty wrote:

What do you all think, aside from this being a long-*** post? Smiley: tongue


I think I'll go make a sandwich
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NephthysWanderer wrote:
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Oh...and good job burning bridges dumbass. Hopefully your little "***** you buddy" doesn't come back to bite you.

There is no benefit in a letter like that, even if some of the twits here think you are a badass.


FYI, I didn't really address him as Moran. Read the part where I changed the names above the previous quotes. Maybe I should have made that more evident in the letter. Taking that into account, maybe you'll comprehend that while I clearly was not thrilled with him, I kept it reasonably cordial. If you really think this came off as a harsh letter, then you really need to man-up.

If I burned this particular bridge, then so be it. Bottom line, he was doing a half-assed job and it clearly showed. If this was so evident at the beginning of a working relationship, it's a no-brainer for me to decide to discontinue this arrangement.
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#25 Nov 22 2006 at 7:33 PM Rating: Good
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Smoggy the Mighty wrote:
If you really think this came off as a harsh letter, then you really need to man-up.
Not harsh, but unnecessarily critical. You wouldn't have worked directly with him, but with whomever he was headhunting for, right? So if anything, it may have helped to come in and see the other person, and explain your reasons for taking the other job so you would leave a good impression, but hey, your choice. Whatevah.

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I guess manning up consists of asking my gamer buddies which job I should pick.

It was not reasonably cordial either. You would probably realize this if you hadn't been unemployed for 3 months. Maybe you're a bit rusty.
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