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#1 Nov 20 2006 at 7:14 PM Rating: Good
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First we have the whole burkha "women shouldn't be covered up" thing.

Now we have a "woman AND baby daughter need to be covered". Really, isn't a blanket worse than a burkha? At least with the burkha there's some eye mesh to kind of see through.

Look, either you wants to see the ******* or you don't.

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#2 Nov 20 2006 at 7:25 PM Rating: Good
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I believe that legislating what women should and should not expose in public is of the utmost importance!!!

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#3 Nov 20 2006 at 7:26 PM Rating: Good
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It's always been a double standard for women nursing. You are told that you are an awful mother if you dont nurse, but you have a much higher chance of being ostracized if you try to nurse in public, even discreetly.
#4 Nov 20 2006 at 7:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, I'd want to use their nasty scratchy blanket too.

On the other hand, the kid was nearly two years old. How long does one typically breast feed?
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#5 Nov 20 2006 at 7:44 PM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
On the other hand, the kid was nearly two years old. How long does one typically breast feed?


If BART is any indication, until 5-6 years of age. It's easier if they can help you button your shirt back up, I suppose.

#6 Nov 20 2006 at 7:46 PM Rating: Good
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Its different per woman, but I think most people accept up to 2 yrs as being "ok". Anything past and you start getting into the grey Oedipus area.

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But the lady cured cancer so get off her f'ucking back, okay!
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#8 Nov 21 2006 at 4:44 AM Rating: Good
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If a kid can ask for a tit, he's too old IMO. Mia turns 2 next month and I can't imagine still breastfeeding her. It would be an absolute nightmare.
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#9 Nov 21 2006 at 6:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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If a kid can ask for a tit, he's too old IMO. Mia turns 2 next month and I can't imagine still breastfeeding her. It would be an absolute nightmare.


And I guess if he can ask for a cigarette afterwards it's a clear indication that you've let it go on too long.
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#10 Nov 21 2006 at 7:03 AM Rating: Decent
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And I guess if he can ask for a cigarette afterwards it's a clear indication that you've let it go on too long.


Or that you're Greek...

#11 Nov 21 2006 at 7:45 AM Rating: Good
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Now there's a big "suck-off" going on in a bunch of airports around the country to protest. That's got to be a sight. Way to exploit those beans.
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#13 Nov 21 2006 at 8:58 AM Rating: Decent
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That's rediculous, on both sides. A two year old should not still be breast feeding. That being said, you should be able to breast feed anywhere you please. Who cares if people can see. If I'm walking through the mall and my five year old points at some woman breast feeding and says what's she doing? I say feeding her baby. Seriously, kicking someone off a plane for breast feeding? Are they retarded? Who complains about something like that?
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Are they retarded? Who complains about something like that?


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#15 Nov 21 2006 at 9:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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You think that's creepy, try reading those articles about women who still breastfeed their 6 year olds. I read one in a parenting magazine once and I was just so grossed out!!

The airline was out of line, but from the woman's perspective, once you give birth and nurse a child, you stop caring about people seeing your boobs. To you it's just a boob, while to others its still OMFG HER BREAST IS EXPOSED.
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#16 Nov 21 2006 at 9:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Pikko wrote:
You think that's creepy, try reading those articles about women who still breastfeed their 6 year olds. I read one in a parenting magazine once and I was just so grossed out!!


I really think childbirth unbalances some people permanently.
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#17 Nov 21 2006 at 9:38 AM Rating: Good
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Pikko wrote:
You think that's creepy, try reading those articles about women who still breastfeed their 6 year olds. I read one in a parenting magazine once and I was just so grossed out!!


I really think childbirth unbalances some people permanently.


I agree. I've known some women who were great to be around until they had kids and then they just went off the psychotic deep end.
#18 Nov 21 2006 at 9:50 AM Rating: Good
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so I really DID drive my mother nuts.

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#19 Nov 21 2006 at 9:59 AM Rating: Decent
My mother is a Lamaze teacher, I have been around pregnant women and women nursing new-borns most of my life. Breast feeding in public just doesn't phase me at all.

I recall my mom being ticked-off about NY state trying to take a woman's baby away because someone overheard her comment to a friend that sometimes when she was nursing she got arroused from the stimulation of the nipples. The Le Leche League helped that lady with her legal battle. Wonder if they will get involved in this too.

The Le Leche League website wrote:
Vermont Senate Bill #156, 2001
2002 VT. ALS 117; 2002 VT Laws 117; 2002 VT. Act 117; 2001 VT. SB 156;

Sec. 2. 9 V.S.A. §4502(j) :

(J) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a mother may breastfeed her child in any place of public accommodation in which the mother and child would otherwise have a legal right to be.
Effective date, March 15, 2003.


Looks like the airline may have violated the woman's lawful rights.


Pikko wrote:
The airline was out of line, but from the woman's perspective, once you give birth and nurse a child, you stop caring about people seeing your boobs. To you it's just a boob, while to others its still OMFG HER BREAST IS EXPOSED.



There's your in guys. Once the Allafemmes have their babies start the Breastfeeding Pics Please threads.
#20 Nov 21 2006 at 10:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Samira wrote:
Yeah, I'd want to use their nasty scratchy blanket too.


Not to mention filthy...those things don't get washed between passengers.

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On the other hand, the kid was nearly two years old. How long does one typically breast feed?


World Health Organization recommends exclusive breastfeeding until at least six months, then nursing supplemented with solids until at least 2 years.

American Academy of Pediatrics and American Association of Family Physicians both recommend exclusive breastfeeding until at least six months, and supplemented with solids until over a year "until both mother and baby are ready to wean."

The "exclusive to 6 months" is getting encouragement to be nudges back to "6-9 months." Some babies really aren't ready for solids by 6 months.

The median age for complete weaning in most of the world is--get this--4.2 years.

I plan to nurse exclusively until between 6-9 months, and then supplemented with solids until Ambrya 2.0 seems ready to wean. And I will NOT put a blanket over his/her head until the person making the request of me goes and tries to eat their meal and breath normally with a blanket covering their head. And certainly not a disgusting, filthy airline blanket.

As for this absurd debacle on the plane, I think this (posted to a breastfeeding community of which I'm a part) says it all:

Fertility Friend's breastfeeding forum wrote:
I think it's funny that people are so concerned about women nursing in public, but there are skirts so short that you can practically see the woman's labia, pants so low that I'm seeing butt crack everywhere and shirts cut so low that I've seen a bit of areola on occassion. Where are the angry posts and people getting kicked off of planes for things like this? It's gross to me that our society is so anti-woman and anti-child, but okay with the display of a woman's body if it's with the sole purpose of turning a man on.


#21 Nov 21 2006 at 10:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Kelvyquayo the Irrelevant wrote:
Now there's a big "suck-off" going on in a bunch of airports around the country to protest. That's got to be a sight. Way to exploit those beans.


"nurse-in" not "suck-off."

I'm lucky--here in Oregon, not only are you allowed to breastfeed anywhere you've got a legal right to be, but uncooperative businesses can be fined for harassing you or asking you to leave.

#22 Nov 21 2006 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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I plan to quit breastfeeding once that sucker sprouts a tooth. As for breastfeeding in public, I would hope that having a baby wouldn't rob me of my manners completely. Yeah, it's a source of nourishment, but it's also a breast, and you're in public. Be discreet.
#23 Nov 21 2006 at 10:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Atomicflea wrote:
I plan to quit breastfeeding once that sucker sprouts a tooth. As for breastfeeding in public, I would hope that having a baby wouldn't rob me of my manners completely. Yeah, it's a source of nourishment, but it's also a breast, and you're in public. Be discreet.


The woman in the airline incident WAS being discreet. She was on the window seat in the next-to-last row, and what breast was exposed was covered by the child's head.

I will also add that, aside from the WHO's recommendations, she had a very valid reason for nursing. Suckling is one of the best ways to help a child with the uncomfortable ear-popping air-pressure changes during takeoff and landing. It's quite likely that if she hadn't nursed during takeoff, the entire plane would have had to deal with a screaming kid.

Myself, I plan to do what I can to be discreet, because I'm not interested in flashing the world. Unfortunately nature's working against me in that particular instance, because there's a LOT of boob to be dealt with, and I don't know just how well I'm going to be able to manage. I'll try to be subtle, but I'm not going to a bathroom, I'm NOT suffocating my baby under a blanket, and the first person to give me sh'it about it is gonna get lessoned.



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#24 Nov 21 2006 at 10:39 AM Rating: Good
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"nurse-in" not "suck-off."


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#25 Nov 21 2006 at 10:55 AM Rating: Good
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Ambrya wrote:
The woman in the airline incident WAS being discreet. She was on the window seat in the next-to-last row, and what breast was exposed was covered by the child's head.
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I'll try to be subtle, but I'm not going to a bathroom, I'm NOT suffocating my baby under a blanket, and the first person to give me sh'it about it is gonna get lessoned.
Lessoned about what? The fact that breast milk is good for your baby? I assume not many people will give you **** about that, but even so, it doesn't make your behavior polite or excusable. It's like a screaming kid at a restaurant. You chose to have him--not me. Why should I have to deal with the fallout? I'm sure you can hold a blanket over the baby like a tent, and not over his mouth and nose so it's suffocating him, or at least ask the person sitting next to you if they'd mind if you breastfed. What the hell happened to courtesy?
#26 Nov 21 2006 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Ambrya wrote:
The woman in the airline incident WAS being discreet. She was on the window seat in the next-to-last row, and what breast was exposed was covered by the child's head.
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I'll try to be subtle, but I'm not going to a bathroom, I'm NOT suffocating my baby under a blanket, and the first person to give me sh'it about it is gonna get lessoned.
Lessoned about what? The fact that breast milk is good for your baby? I assume not many people will give you sh*t about that, but even so, it doesn't make your behavior polite or excusable. It's like a screaming kid at a restaurant. You chose to have him--not me. Why should I have to deal with the fallout? I'm sure you can hold a blanket over the baby like a tent, and not over his mouth and nose so it's suffocating him, or at least ask the person sitting next to you if they'd mind if you breastfed. What the hell happened to courtesy?


My need to provide my child with optimal nourishment trumps any lame puritanical discomfort someone else feels at the honest sight of some bared skin, period. Deal with it. I'm making the right choice for my baby, and NO ONE has a right to harass me about that.

As for the blanket over the baby's head, even if you can do it in a way that won't make breathing more difficult, there comes a point where many--even most--babies just won't allow it. If they can pull it off, they will. If they can't, they will squirm and refuse to eat, and then scream and disrupt the public scene even worse because they're hungry and not being fed. And I can't blame them--I feel claustrophobic with anything covering my face, why should I expect a baby to just accept it?

The discourtesy here in not on the part of the mother. It's on the part of the people who just can't get over themselves enough to understand that they're harassing a woman trying to do the toughest job on earth and do it right. We need to be supporting these mothers and these babies, making it EASIER to breastfeed in any circumstances, not tougher. I'm so sick of self-centered people who think their own person hang-ups should take priority over doing what's right for a child.

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