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#52 Nov 22 2006 at 11:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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achileez wrote:
Don't misunderstand there's a vast difference between a n*gger and a black american.
One votes Republican?
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#53REDACTED, Posted: Nov 22 2006 at 11:34 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
#54 Nov 22 2006 at 11:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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No one knows how to read the other only understands ebonics. I understand it's a subtle difference; but a difference nonetheless.
I once had an English instructor who jokingly told us, "Whenever you think it might work, throw a semicolon in there. Almost no one knows when to use one anyway so they'll think you're smarter for it."

It's ironic that you'd choose this post to prove him wrong.
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#55 Nov 22 2006 at 11:38 AM Rating: Decent
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H*ll I'm a direct decendant of a union spy. After the war he was offered over 200acres inside the city limits of knoxville but turned it down because he believed it was his patriotic duty to fight the confederacy. If he were here today I'm sure he'd have quite a different opinion on who he should have fought for.


interesting

I'm direct decendant from Union and Confederate soldiers. Sinse I now live in the Old Line State I guess it's kinda normal.

My great+ grandfather who was in Union army was in the regiment(New York 105th) that occupied Fort McHenry in Baltimore and turned the canons in toward the city to keep the Southern sympathzers in line.... plus they arrested all the polititians after the Mayor had the rail way blown up to prevent soldiers from New England from passing through B-more. He also fought at Manassass, Wilderness, and Antiem.
and this guy's son actually lied about his age to be able to join the regiment with his father.

My great+ grnadfather (from Virginia) who fought for South (of which my middle name was his surname) was a POW at Point Lookout, MD. That place in infamous for it's inhumane conditions.


Smiley: twocents from the history/ancestry nut

Edited, Nov 22nd 2006 2:43pm by Kelvyquayo
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#56 Nov 22 2006 at 11:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Ands thats why it's not my argument; what bugs me is the over-inflated reaction. And it most certainly IS over-inflated, whether I "understand" or not.
No, it isn't, and it matters not one whit whether or not you think so, because you're not the segment of society it's applied to. There's empathy and support, and then there's the Black Experience. Don't let one think that it gives you entry into the other.
#57 Nov 22 2006 at 11:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm the direct descendant of some Polacks who came over on the boat well after the Civil War was done and over with. I win!
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#58 Nov 22 2006 at 11:55 AM Rating: Decent
I'm the descendant of someone from somewhere, somehow!

Go me!
#59 Nov 22 2006 at 12:10 PM Rating: Decent
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His appearance on Letterman didn't help matters any either.

"Afro-Americans" hasn't been used since the 80's.
#60 Nov 22 2006 at 12:20 PM Rating: Good
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Darkenbudddy wrote:
"Afro-Americans" hasn't been used since the 80's.


So it matches his wardrobe.
#61 Nov 22 2006 at 1:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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No, it isn't, and it matters not one whit whether or not you think so, because you're not the segment of society it's applied to. There's empathy and support, and then there's the Black Experience. Don't let one think that it gives you entry into the other.


Oh, but it does matter what I think. I resent walking on eggshells and being made to feel somehow responsible by association for a problem I neither created nor contribute to (until this thread...). I have never used the "N" word, or any other racial slur, nor do I have any desire to.

As far as the "Black Experience" goes, I agree that it certainly exists and effects an entire population that one can't understand unless a part of. This still does not change the fact that people are overly sensitive to this word, and words in general. No amount of telling me that my opinion is moot will change this fact.
#62 Nov 22 2006 at 1:41 PM Rating: Good
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Gladestrider wrote:
Oh, but it does matter what I think. I resent walking on eggshells and being made to feel somehow responsible by association for a problem I neither created nor contribute to (until this thread...). I have never used the "N" word, or any other racial slur, nor do I have any desire to.
If you haven't, then don't feel guilt by association. It's that simple. Whites taking ownership of guilt that doesn't belong to them is as tired as whites who use the n-word and insist it has no power. It's simply the way the cookie crumbles, and you resent adapting to it because your status has never required you to. It's natural, but pointless.

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As far as the "Black Experience" goes, I agree that it certainly exists and effects an entire population that one can't understand unless a part of. This still does not change the fact that people are overly sensitive to this word, and words in general. No amount of telling me that my opinion is moot will change this fact.
It's not a fact. It is, by your own admission, an opinion. Until a Board of Butthurtness Certification is put in place, no one has the last word on what hurts who, and why, unless it's the person him/herself.
#63 Nov 22 2006 at 2:20 PM Rating: Good
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Kramer is probably a Jew. They are always starting shit like this. At least we have Borat and Mel.


The person who plays the character Borat is a Jew.
#64 Nov 22 2006 at 2:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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InuyashaaSama wrote:
Kramer is probably a Jew. They are always starting shit like this. At least we have Borat and Mel.


The person who plays the character Borat is a Jew.


...and a hero!

/salute
#65 Nov 22 2006 at 2:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Can anyone even think of any White racial slurs that actually have an effect?


The only one that I can think of that really raises my hackles is wehn Latino people refer to me as "Anglo".
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#66 Nov 22 2006 at 2:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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Kelvyquayo the Irrelevant wrote:
Can anyone even think of any White racial slurs that actually have an effect?


The only one that I can think of that really raises my hackles is wehn Latino people refer to me as "Anglo".


We can also call you "gringo", but that's w/e. It's ok, though, you can also call a cuban "rafter" and could rile us up pretty good!

I know us latins call puerto ricans "boriqua", but that's not so offensive, either...well...depends on how you use it, at least.

I know that nobody likes being called "white trash." A couple of friends of mine would punch you if you called them "cracka."

Then there's "gay". That's universal, though. Smiley: laugh
#67 Nov 22 2006 at 2:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Actually, now that I think of it, "redneck" is pretty heavy.
I jokingly referred to this guy as a redneck and he really gave me some bad vibes and some ill peripheral. I really felt like I insulted him.. I wanted to apologize or something.
that must go into the White Trash thing.
i refer to myself as White Trash a lot... but never Redneck. Hillbilly, I do call myself sometimes.
I think it's the same universal connotation involving being poor, uncivilized, and an outcast.
Slap wahtever word or skin colour you want on it. It be waht it be.

Hm. This thread now officially delivers.




and call me gringo all you want. I've never known waht the hell it meant. Although it never seemed as bad as ****, of which I don't know waht that means either.. except maybe some play on the word 'Hispanic'... athough nonetheless it does not sound very pleasant to me either.
I knew a girl once who would freak out at the word.. no matter who you were or how close to you she was... in any context.
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#68 Nov 22 2006 at 2:43 PM Rating: Good
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If you haven't, then don't feel guilt by association. It's that simple.


Well done, you've completely solved my problem with a cleverly worded reply. How could I not have seen the simple truth?

It'd be nice if it were as "simple" as you like to refer to it, but I've never seen that particular world.

You are correct, and since you're in the mood to split hairs, it IS only my opinion and not really a fact at all. Despite your Black Experience replies, it remains my opinion and will likely do so indefinitely.
#69 Nov 22 2006 at 3:29 PM Rating: Good
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No reflection on you, but I've heard enough totally straight and serious queries such as "How come there's not a WHITE History month?" or "How come we don't have an all WHITE TV channel?" or "How come there's no WHITE advocacy groups?" that my gut reaction is to assume the worst from people when they say something in the same vein.


So, in other words, the programming has worked perfectly.
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#70 Nov 22 2006 at 3:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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Meh. When you find me an example of such an argument that doesn't sound asinine, let me know. Even Gladestrider's comment is moronic; its saving grace being that he said it in jest and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on it since he proclaims his innocence.

Looks like the "programming" is pretty spot on Smiley: laugh
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#71 Nov 22 2006 at 5:32 PM Rating: Good
Heard a good joke from one of the other comedy club performers being interviewed regarding the incident.

A little white boy's mom is baking a chocolate cake and the boy rubs some of the chocolate frosting on his face and says, "look mom, i'm black." The mother slaps the boy and tells him to go show his grnadmother what he did. Again, the grandmother slaps the little boy and tells him to go show his father what he did. The angered father slaps the boy and tells him to go tell his mother what he learned. So the little boy returns to his mother and tells her he was slapped by his grandmother and his father. "So what did you learn?" asks the mother. Says the little boy, "I haven't been black 5 minutes and already I hate you people."
#72 Nov 22 2006 at 7:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
Meh. When you find me an example of such an argument that doesn't sound asinine, let me know. Even Gladestrider's comment is moronic; its saving grace being that he said it in jest and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on it since he proclaims his innocence.


But whether it "sounds asinine" is based on your own assumptions about the people making the argument. And by your own admission, you automatically assume "the worst" of anyone making that sort of argument. Doesn't that kinda automatically mean you're never going to accept any argument of that sort?

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Looks like the "programming" is pretty spot on


Yup. Sure does. ;)
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#73 Nov 22 2006 at 7:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Doesn't that kinda automatically mean you're never going to accept any argument of that sort?
Nope, not at all.

And, as much as I'd love to explain it to you, I'm off to play some MTW and try to figure out what to do regarding this invasion by the Sicilians while the bulk of my army is on the Iberian peninsula beating back waves of Almohads.

but you go on thinking whatcha wanta Smiley: grin
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#74 Nov 22 2006 at 7:23 PM Rating: Good
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If you haven't, then don't feel guilt by association. It's that simple.


Well done, you've completely solved my problem with a cleverly worded reply. How could I not have seen the simple truth?
I'm not sure, but if I had to guess, I'd say it's because you're simply not as smart as I am.

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It'd be nice if it were as "simple" as you like to refer to it, but I've never seen that particular world.
You can't control the world, only your reaction to it. If you can't control that, well, you need to find a nice closet and a good book. You're bemoaning white guilt that you don't need to own. What a waste of time, and what a diversion from the real topic at hand.

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You are correct, and since you're in the mood to split hairs, it IS only my opinion and not really a fact at all. Despite your Black Experience replies, it remains my opinion and will likely do so indefinitely.
Smiley: laugh Ah, darn. Another person I fail to convert.
#75 Nov 22 2006 at 8:00 PM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
Doesn't that kinda automatically mean you're never going to accept any argument of that sort?
Nope, not at all.

And, as much as I'd love to explain it to you, I'm off to play some MTW and try to figure out what to do regarding this invasion by the Sicilians while the bulk of my army is on the Iberian peninsula beating back waves of Almohads.

but you go on thinking whatcha wanta


Ok. What do you think of the Boston College group granting a scholarship in which the requirement is to be 25% caucasion? Opposed? For? Why? This is a college btw which has a school sponsored scholarship that grants full scholarships with a requirement that the applicants be 25% Latino btw (which is why this was brought up in the first place).

Is one a valid response to the other? Are either of them representative of racism? If so why? If not, why? You go play you game, but when you come back, I'd love to hear you explain your position on this.
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#76 Nov 23 2006 at 12:09 AM Rating: Default
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Is one a valid response to the other? Are either of them representative of racism? If so why? If not, why? You go play you game, but when you come back, I'd love to hear you explain your position on this.


When the percentage of white kids who can't afford to go to BC drops lower than the percentage of Latino kids, give them the scholarship.

What's so hard to understand? The vast vast vast vast vast overwhelming majority of scholarships have absolutely nothing to do with race. Neither of your examples are representative of racism, but being bothered by the concept of their existence sure is.

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