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#1 Nov 20 2006 at 6:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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...are doomed to keep making dollar coins, over and over and over
CNN/Money wrote:
The U.S. Mint is hoping that Martin Van Buren and Millard Fillmore can do what Susan B. Anthony and Sacagawea couldn't - get Americans to use dollar coins.

It will release four new presidential dollars each year, starting with George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison in 2007. The Van Buren dollar will be released in 2008 and the Fillmore in 2010.
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The Mint is hoping the continually changing faces will entice consumers to break their traditional reluctance to use dollar coins.

"We think Americans are going to want to collect the series, and that will drive the coins through the economy," said U.S. Mint Director Edmund Moy.

He hopes to avoid the fate of the Susan B. Anthony dollar, which was issued in 1979-81 and again in 1999 to honor the women's sufferage pioneer. But due to its size and silver color, it was too easily confused with a quarter and is now largely distributed as change from mass transit system ticket machines.

The gold color Sacagawea dollar followed in 2000, showing the Native American guide to 1804 explorers Merriwether Lewis and William Clark and her infant son.

But limited Sacagawea quantities led to too many being stashed away by collectors, reducing circulation and thus familiarity, said Rod Gillis, head of education at the American Numismatic Association in Colorado Springs, Colo.

The presidential dollar coin will be similar in size and color to the Sacagawea, but will bear no inscription on the obverse or face side. "In God We Trust," "E Pluribus Unum," the issue year and the mint mark will appear on the edge.
People just don't like dollar coins. I'm not even sure why not but it's pretty obvious that they don't. Maybe it's inertia or maybe it's a mental barrier between "insignificant coins" and "real paper money" but I don't see a dollar coin ever becoming popular until the paper version is done away with.

And I don't buy the "limited quantities of Sacagawea coins" bit. I still get those things by the handful as change at the post office. Businesses just don't ask for them from the bank because the customers look at the coin like you just handed them a ****. Which, after the gold coloring wears off, is pretty much what the coin resembles.

On the plus side, shiney gold Sacegawea coins make great "tooth fairy" leavings under the pillow.
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#2 Nov 20 2006 at 6:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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Tooth Fairy is about as good as these coins would get. What's the point in having a dollar coin when you can just have a normal paper dollar?

I mean, really. I hate having change in my pocket in general. I end up leaving all my change in a compartment in my car, only to grab it all and take it to publix to convert that to paper money.

That's when I even build change to begin with. I normally just use my debit card everwhere.
#3 Nov 20 2006 at 6:59 AM Rating: Decent
It's just too much weight in your pocket, it's uncomfortable.
#4 Nov 20 2006 at 7:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's just too much weight in your pocket, it's uncomfortable.


Yeah just ask Nobby! Hey baby is that a bunch of quid or you just happy to see me?

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#5 Nov 20 2006 at 7:06 AM Rating: Decent
/chuckle.
#6 Nov 20 2006 at 7:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Señor Exodus, Rey del Queso wrote:
I end up leaving all my change in a compartment in my car
Yeah, I think that's part of it. There's a feeling that a dollar coin is more apt to get lost or mixed in with the laundry money or something.
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#7 Nov 20 2006 at 7:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:

And I don't buy the "limited quantities of Sacagawea coins" bit. I still get those things by the handful as change at the post office. Businesses just don't ask for them from the bank because the customers look at the coin like you just handed them a ****. Which, after the gold coloring wears off, is pretty much what the coin resembles.

On the plus side, shiney gold Sacegawea coins make great "tooth fairy" leavings under the pillow.


When they first came out, it was fun to stack them up on my kitchen table and count them like Scrooge. Of course, that wore off after about 10 minutes. It was also fun to leave them as tips at first, since I'd stand at the door and watch the waitress look disgusted that we'd only left change, then brighten up when she realized it was actually money.

I amuse myself, that's all that matters.

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#8 Nov 20 2006 at 7:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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Nexa wrote:
When they first came out, it was fun to stack them up on my kitchen table and count them like Scrooge. Of course, that wore off after about 10 minutes.
The next step is to fill a basement with the coins and swim around in them like Scrooge McDuck!
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Jophiel wrote:
And I don't buy the "limited quantities of Sacagawea coins" bit. I still get those things by the handful as change at the post office. Businesses just don't ask for them from the bank because the customers look at the coin like you just handed them a ****. Which, after the gold coloring wears off, is pretty much what the coin resembles.

On the plus side, shiney gold Sacegawea coins make great "tooth fairy" leavings under the pillow.


My in-laws insist on giving my son these by the hundreds. Seriously!

They are trying to fill a piggy bank they bought for him with the gold dollar coins, they are about 200/1000 complete, but Christmas and his birthday are coming up soon ...
#10 Nov 20 2006 at 7:15 AM Rating: Good
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The Mint is hoping the continually changing faces will entice consumers to break their traditional reluctance to use dollar coins


If it ain't broke, why fix it? What does the US Mint gain from producing different forms of currency? I had a couple $1 Coins and I had vendors turn them down for some odd reason. The only time I saw a dedicated use of the Sachageewa coin was from PATH ticket kiosks on the NY/NJ Rail lines.
#11 Nov 20 2006 at 7:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Nexa wrote:
When they first came out, it was fun to stack them up on my kitchen table and count them like Scrooge. Of course, that wore off after about 10 minutes.
The next step is to fill a basement with the coins and swim around in them like Scrooge McDuck!



This is actually more painful than fun.
#12 Nov 20 2006 at 7:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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For what it's worth, the vending machines at school all take Sacegawea dollars. They even have signs on them noting the fact.

I think I found the real problem here -- typing "Sacegawea" is a pain in the *** and "Sackies" sounds too Canadian. I'm going to have to start calling them "***** Bucks" or something before they gain any traction.
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#14 Nov 20 2006 at 7:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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Thisisnotaeons wrote:
we all know the major underlying flaw to the dollar coin lies in complications at the strip club, and the idea of loose change in one's undergarments to be rather lumpy and unappealing.


I dunno, they pick up quarters without using their hands and with inflation and all it may be time to move on up...

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#15 Nov 20 2006 at 7:23 AM Rating: Good
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Martin Van Buren and Millard Fillmore


Hey can I borrow a Van Buren, I wanna get a soda.

Five Fillmores for a coffee? Are yous serious?!

ehhhhh
#16 Nov 20 2006 at 7:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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Thisisnotaeons wrote:
we all know the major underlying flaw to the dollar coin lies in complications at the strip club, and the idea of loose change in one's undergarments to be rather lumpy and unappealing.


Unless you just slip them into...uh....nevermind. Smiley: blush
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Soracloud the Charming wrote:
Hey can I borrow a Van Buren, I wanna get a soda.

Five Fillmores for a coffee? Are yous serious?!
The Taft coin is going to be the size of those old Eisenhower half-dollars.
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#18 Nov 20 2006 at 7:30 AM Rating: Good
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Soracloud the Charming wrote:
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The Mint is hoping the continually changing faces will entice consumers to break their traditional reluctance to use dollar coins


If it ain't broke, why fix it? What does the US Mint gain from producing different forms of currency? I had a couple $1 Coins and I had vendors turn them down for some odd reason. The only time I saw a dedicated use of the Sachageewa coin was from PATH ticket kiosks on the NY/NJ Rail lines.

Coins last longer and are more durable than paper money. Paper money has to be replaced when it gets damaged to a certain point....and it isn't really recyclable. Coins can be in circulation for 20-40 years...paper bills maybe 5 years tops. In the long run it's cheaper to mint coins than it is to make bills.

Although saving money is backwards for our government, it really does have merit.
#19 Nov 20 2006 at 7:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Those are some ***-ugly coins.

Plus, it looks like one of the four forgot that it was "wear a wig to class pictures" day.
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#20 Nov 20 2006 at 7:39 AM Rating: Good
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Those are some ***-ugly coins.

Plus, it looks like one of the four forgot that it was "wear a wig to class pictures" day.


Looks like some commemorative BS you would get in a Cereal Box or order in Readers Digest.
#21 Nov 20 2006 at 8:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
Those are some ***-ugly coins.

Plus, it looks like one of the four forgot that it was "wear a wig to class pictures" day.


Looks like some commemorative BS you would get in a Cereal Box or order in Readers Digest.


Act now and get your commemorative plates/coffee mugs/**** scrubber now!
#22 Nov 20 2006 at 8:56 AM Rating: Decent
Thisisnotaeons wrote:
we all know the major underlying flaw to the dollar coin lies in complications at the strip club, and the idea of loose change in one's undergarments to be rather lumpy and unappealing.


We used to get a bunch of the old silver dollars from the bank and take them to the bikini bar. Then we would put them in a glass of ice water and drop an ice cold silver dollar down the front of the dancers' bikini bottoms. Most of the girls seemd to like it. Smiley: sly
#23 Nov 20 2006 at 3:32 PM Rating: Good
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Hehe. Lots of reasons for dollar coins not being popular. Another one being that standard cash register drawers don't have enough slots for them. Businesses don't want to deal with them because of this, so they drop them in the safe pretty much as soon as they get one. Kinda hampers circulation...
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#24 Nov 20 2006 at 3:38 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Hehe. Lots of reasons for dollar coins not being popular. Another one being that standard cash register drawers don't have enough slots for them.


...

Penny, dime, nickle, quarter... that's 4.

Most cash register drawers have 5 coin slots. Half dollars not really being widely circulated, care to explain your thought?

#25 Nov 20 2006 at 3:56 PM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
Hehe. Lots of reasons for dollar coins not being popular. Another one being that standard cash register drawers don't have enough slots for them.


...

Penny, dime, nickle, quarter... that's 4.

Most cash register drawers have 5 coin slots. Half dollars not really being widely circulated, care to explain your thought?



My experience has been that the 5th coin slot held a roll or two of dimes, nickles, and/or quarters.
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I've only run two cash registers but, on both, we used the spare slot for an "returns/exchange" key or something equally trivial. I'm sure we could have sacrificed to throw some dollar coins in there.
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