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We wouldn't have an over abundance of children left in orphanages. Your children could be placed there where they would be taken care of. You pull yourself up by the boot straps you can have your children back. If not, they aren't starving on the street.
I'm a big fan of the three strikes law here in California when it's applied properly.
It's never applied 'properly'. It's an assanine law that passed because people like you, who don't actually understand the law at all, like to pretend problems are simplistic when they're not. Drawing criminal sentancing schemes from baseball probably won't work out to be the best strategy.
What three strike laws actually do is tell criminals "might as well kill everyone you see when you rob the convience store because it's life either way".
Why do you want to make more murder victims? Sick ****.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
Your children could be placed there where they would be taken care of.
You mean the delightful foster care system where Daddy Warbucks picks them up in his helicopter and takes them and Sandy to the mansion and feeds them fois grois and creme broulle?
Or did you mean the actual one we have in this country where they stand a 50% chance of being beaten or sexually abused?
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
Did I mention I want a reform of prisons? No cable tv. No weight rooms, no nice food. You get bread, water and a little meat. You don't get to have heart transplants on the goverments dime. You definanantly do not get elective surgeries on the govts dime. You don't get paid for being in prison. You sleep on a cot without a pillow. You can attend classes to better yourself but thats it. No internet, no phone, no nothing. You are in prison. You can sit there and think about what you did for the next how ever many years.
Trust me, being left to fend for themselves on the street isn't going to be exactly peachy.
Smasharoo wrote:
Your children could be placed there where they would be taken care of.
You mean the delightful foster care system where Daddy Warbucks picks them up in his helicopter and takes them and Sandy to the mansion and feeds them fois grois and creme broulle?
Or did you mean the actual one we have in this country where they stand a 50% chance of being beaten or sexually abused again?
FTFY
Smasharoo wrote:
What three strike laws actually do is tell criminals "might as well kill everyone you see when you rob the convience store because it's life either way".
Well, that, and discourages them from accepting a plea bargain, thereby tying up the courts all the way up.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
The One and Only Katie wrote:
I have the answer! We round everyone up, and implant a device that keeps them from getting pregnant. You want to get pregnant? You have to pass a test, get a license and show you can care for your children.
They tried that already with forced sterilizations back in the early to mid 1900s. Anyone (mainly minorities) who went to the wrong prison, psych ward, or in some cases hospitals got sterilized.
After that it was Norplant. If I remember right they were offering to put them in for either discounted or free rates back in the mid to late 80s to the poor but as a catch they offered no finacial help if they wanted to remove them.
The One and Only Katie wrote:
Trust me, being left to fend for themselves on the street isn't going to be exactly peachy.
You think going through the foster care system is peachy? I have a friend who went through that and his stories are pretty fooked up.
The One and Only Katie wrote:
Did I mention I want a reform of prisons? No cable tv. No weight rooms, no nice food. You get bread, water and a little meat. You don't get to have heart transplants on the goverments dime. You definanantly do not get elective surgeries on the govts dime. You don't get paid for being in prison. You sleep on a cot without a pillow. You can attend classes to better yourself but thats it. No internet, no phone, no nothing. You are in prison. You can sit there and think about what you did for the next how ever many years.
Yeah, because we need people getting out who are more bitter, jaded, cynical, hate life, and have less social skills. Also, they haven't developed any job skills in prison and their best bet is a life of crime.
Great punishment for smoking dope.
Nexa
“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.â€
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
I'm from Texas though. I'm for the death penalty. You molested, raped or killed someone? One way ticket to the execution room.
Nexa wrote:
The One and Only Katie wrote:
Did I mention I want a reform of prisons? No cable tv. No weight rooms, no nice food. You get bread, water and a little meat. You don't get to have heart transplants on the goverments dime. You definanantly do not get elective surgeries on the govts dime. You don't get paid for being in prison. You sleep on a cot without a pillow. You can attend classes to better yourself but thats it. No internet, no phone, no nothing. You are in prison. You can sit there and think about what you did for the next how ever many years.
Yeah, because we need people getting out who are more bitter, jaded, cynical, hate life, and have less social skills. Also, they haven't developed any job skills in prison and their best bet is a life of crime.
Great punishment for smoking dope.
Nexa
You also forgot to mention the insanity that some people would reach after being in there. You think the people you send in were crazy wait until they come out after 25 years.
Nexa wrote:
The One and Only Katie wrote:
Did I mention I want a reform of prisons? No cable tv. No weight rooms, no nice food. You get bread, water and a little meat. You don't get to have heart transplants on the goverments dime. You definanantly do not get elective surgeries on the govts dime. You don't get paid for being in prison. You sleep on a cot without a pillow. You can attend classes to better yourself but thats it. No internet, no phone, no nothing. You are in prison. You can sit there and think about what you did for the next how ever many years.
Yeah, because we need people getting out who are more bitter, jaded, cynical, hate life, and have less social skills. Also, they haven't developed any job skills in prison and their best bet is a life of crime.
Great punishment for smoking dope.
Nexa
I'm failing to see why I should feel sorry for the schmucks.
The One and Only Katie wrote:
I'm from Texas though. I'm for the death penalty. You molested, raped or killed someone? One way ticket to the execution room.
That'll make it especially nice when they find out 10 years later that you didn't do it because they finally allowed a dna test. Right now they can just say "oh sorry we ruined your whole life" and throw some money at them. I guess then their kids would just get it, but that's kinda like welfare...so I dunno.
Nexa
“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.â€
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
The One and Only Katie wrote:
Did I mention I want a reform of prisons? No cable tv. No weight rooms, no nice food. You get bread, water and a little meat. You don't get to have heart transplants on the goverments dime. You definanantly do not get elective surgeries on the govts dime. You don't get paid for being in prison. You sleep on a cot without a pillow. You can attend classes to better yourself but thats it. No internet, no phone, no nothing. You are in prison. You can sit there and think about what you did for the next how ever many years.
I agree with this part of Katie's stance. The system as it stands now as very few major reasons to count as a deterrent anymore. For the smaller crimes, it's more an inconvenience than punishment.
Treating prisoners like third-world refugees would lead to more rioting and the necessity for more taxpayer-funded guards. It is unfortunate that felons get to lead such priviledged lives, but anything else now would be considered c&u punishment.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
MentalFrog wrote:
The One and Only Katie wrote:
Trust me, being left to fend for themselves on the street isn't going to be exactly peachy.
You think going through the foster care system is peachy? I have a friend who went through that and his stories are pretty fooked up.
Street < Foster Care. If you think they'd be better off living in a card board box, who am I to say you are wrong.
Did I mention I want a reform of prisons?
Did I mention that your view of the world is colored by your parasitic existance where you latch on to someone who can take care of you and mistake it for being sucessfull?
No cable tv. No weight rooms, no nice food. You get bread, water and a little meat. You don't get to have heart transplants on the goverments dime. You definanantly do not get elective surgeries on the govts dime. You don't get paid for being in prison. You sleep on a cot without a pillow. You can attend classes to better yourself but thats it. No internet, no phone, no nothing. You are in prison. You can sit there and think about what you did for the next how ever many years.
Blah blah blah.
Spend a year in one and tell me how cushy they are. People make mistakes, they deserve to be punished for those mistakes. Being locked away from society is punishment enough. IF you 'reformed' prisons in the way you suggest, you'd have riots and dead prison guards and nothing elese would change. If you didn't pay prisoners 10 cetns a day to work, they wouldn't work and the state would lose revenue. If you didn't have phones, the state would lose revenue. If you didn't let them buy food, the state would lose revenue.
It's awufll easy to want to be as tough as possible on people when it doesn't effect you, isn't it? You know what I think? I think soldiers shouldn't be allowed to marry. it hurts morale, lowers renlistment rates, and leads to a large group of self righetous spouses who think they've done something for the country because their husband or wife has chosen to serve.
Let's reform THAT, eh?
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
Anyone who thinks that prison is a good time hasn't been in one. Try going for a visit. I wouldn't want to be locked in my cushy bedroom for months (or years) on end even if they delivered me chocolate and cheeseburgers five times a day, especially with another person that I had to take a crap in front of.
Nexa
Nexa
“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.â€
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
Sure, you get right on that poker boy. In the mean time, the rest of us are tired of seeing these same *** hats turned loose from a prison for the third time to only turn around and do the same thing again. Maybe if we made it a bit harder on them, put them in chain gangs to do work around the state and worked these people to the bone, they'd think twice about doing what ever they did. Would you rather us pamper to them and cater to them? They are just misundertstood and uneducated, right? FuCk that ****.
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Maybe if we made it a bit harder on them, put them in chain gangs to do work around the state and worked these people to the bone, they'd think twice about doing what ever they did.
1. Brutalizing prisoners didn't work in the past. There's no reason to think that's changed.
2. Brutalizing prisoners does truly horrible things to the guards.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Don't want to do the time? Don't do the crime! What keeps the rest of us from robbing banks and chopping people to bits? We know the consequences and we don't want to face them.
PS. Family of rednecks, more than one dumbass has been in the pin. Have an uncle there now for producing amphedemines(sp). I think it would have been better off just to shoot him. This is his 3rd amph charge. Goodness knows how many times he's sat in the county jail for months at a time. He's a piece of **** who is only wasting precious oxygen.
PS. Family of rednecks, more than one dumbass has been in the pin. Have an uncle there now for producing amphedemines(sp). I think it would have been better off just to shoot him. This is his 3rd amph charge. Goodness knows how many times he's sat in the county jail for months at a time. He's a piece of **** who is only wasting precious oxygen.
The One and Only Katie wrote:
They are just misundertstood and uneducated, right? FuCk that sh*t.
How do you think the poor and disenfranchised get that way?
The One and Only Katie wrote:
Don't want to do the time? Don't do the crime! What keeps the rest of us from robbing banks and chopping people to bits? We know the consequences and we don't want to face them.
Maybe that's why *you* don't.
Nexa
“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.â€
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
In the mean time, the rest of us are tired of seeing these same *** hats turned loose from a prison for the third time to only turn around and do the same thing again.
Me too. You know what stops that? Post release supervision. You know what makes it worse? Longer sentances, more restrictive conditions, and stigmitization.
It's not like this is a new idea. Has it occured to you yet that perhaps, throught the course of human history that someone else maybe had the idea that it might lower crime rates to be 'tougher' on people in prison? Let me clue you in. It has. It's been tried. It fails. It allways fails. It fails because when you take a group of people who are largely antisocial drug addicts who turned to drugs because they had trouble coping with authority and the pressures of everyday life and put *more* pressure on them and de-socialize them more, they tend to react in THE SAME ******* WAY THAT GOT THEM INTO PRISON IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Shocking, I know.
Maybe if we made it a bit harder on them, put them in chain gangs to do work around the state and worked these people to the bone, they'd think twice about doing what ever they did.
Maybe if we gave them cookies and blowjobs every day, they'd never want to leave and they'd be off the streets forever. Let's give that a shot too.
Would you rather us pamper to them and cater to them? They are just misundertstood and uneducated, right? **** that sh*t.
1. They're not 'caterd' or 'pampered'.
2. They largely have mental issues and need HELP not punishment. There's a reason the people released from incarceration with long post supervision times on probation or parole are 80% less likely to reoffend than those with long inside sentances.
The reality is if you want less crime you have two options. Life in prision with no possiblity of parole for jaywalking, or reduced incarceration times for most offences with longer post incarceration supervision and access to a social welfare network after release.
It's been hundreds of years, we know what works. People just don't want to believe it because it doesn't feel as good as revenge.
Disclaimer:
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
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