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#52 Nov 18 2006 at 6:12 AM Rating: Default
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#53 Nov 18 2006 at 6:27 AM Rating: Good
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Nexa wrote:
meh, too complicated. Next time I want to get pregnant, I'll just demand that the father be prepared to put out two to three times daily.

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I'll just stand next to someone that says the word 'pregnant'.

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#54 Nov 18 2006 at 10:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Tare wrote:
Of course, not everyone's LP is 14 days. Oh, the complexity of it all. This is where ovulation predictors come in handy, as Ambrya discussed. Once you see she's ovulating, you know what to do.


Exactly. This is where both charting and OPKs helped Mr. Ambrya and I out, because even though I generally have a 26-27 day cycle, I don't ovulate until around day 18, which makes my luteal phase (the time between ovulation and menstruation) quite short.

A short LP can be problematic because if a fertilized ovum takes 7-10 days to implant, it BARELY has enough time to do so if your LP is less than 10 days. It's entirely possible that even with perfectly timed intercourse, a woman with a short LP won't get pregnant because she begins menstruating before the blastocyst (the ball of cells the fertilized ovum develops into as it makes its way down the uterine tube) has a chance to implant.

Shortened LP can also indicate that the corpus luteum isn't producing enough progesterone, because it's when progesterone drops below a certain threshold that menstruation begins, and it's faster to drop below that threshold if there's not all that much of it to begin with. Low progesterone production can be a problem if implantation does manage to occur, and can lead to early miscarriage.

Basically, progesterone is the primary hormone involved in supporting and maintaining pregnancy. During the luteal phase, the corpus luteum produces it. During this time, it is responsible for the buildup of the nutrient-rich endometrial lining in which the blastocyst might implant. If there is no implantation, the corpus luteum degenerates and stops production, and menstruation begins.

If implantation DOES occur, the implanted blastocyst (now called an embryo) begins pumping out hCG (human chorionic gonadotropin--the hormone pregnancy tests checks for) and hCG tells the corpus luteum NOT to degenerate, but instead continue producing progesterone. Progesterone at this stage serves the function of pumping nutrients to blood vessels in the endometrium, and forming the maternal side of the placenta (the placenta doesn't form right away, it usually isn't fully formed until close to the end of the first trimester--about 10 weeks or so.) Once the placenta is formed, it takes over progesterone production and the corpus luteum degenerates.

If the corpus luteum isn't producing enough progesterone, the embryo can basically starve for nutrients before the placenta has a chance to form.

So, knowing how late in the cycle Mrs. Aadynn ovulates can also help you know when or if it's time to talk to her OB about getting some help.

Sorry if I'm giving more information than you wanted--you've got me started on my favorite subject, both personally and professionally.



Edited, Nov 18th 2006 at 10:58am PST by Ambrya
#55 Nov 18 2006 at 1:18 PM Rating: Good
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thanks everyone for your input. it has been very helpfull.. One of the main problems we have is that she is so irregular with her cycle (24-28 days) that it isnt even funny. We are using the ovulation kits to determine when she is ripe. she gets a pain in either her right or left side when she ovulates so when she feels that she will go test herself. if she is ovulating then we turn into rabits.

I guess we will have to keep on truckin and hope for some really good timing.
#56 Nov 18 2006 at 1:23 PM Rating: Good
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another thing to think about is that its actually not the best thing you can do to act like bunnies if you are having a hard time. Your best bet if youre having issues is to have sex once every other day when you're trying to get pregnant. Sex too often will lessen the sperm count, with not enough time for the lil buggers to be created.

Figure out the week or two you guys think is the best time and have sex every other day. Sperm will stay in the womans body for a couple of days.

Edited, Nov 18th 2006 at 1:26pm PST by DSD
#57 Nov 18 2006 at 2:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Aadynn Litefoot wrote:
thanks everyone for your input. it has been very helpfull.. One of the main problems we have is that she is so irregular with her cycle (24-28 days) that it isnt even funny. We are using the ovulation kits to determine when she is ripe. she gets a pain in either her right or left side when she ovulates so when she feels that she will go test herself. if she is ovulating then we turn into rabits.

I guess we will have to keep on truckin and hope for some really good timing.


DSD raises a very good point. Many OBs recommend having intercourse every other day to maximize sperm count. Due to the life-span of sperm,(2-3 days, though there are some cases of sperm living up to 5 days) this shouldn't have a negative impact on your chances at all.

24-28 days is not all that irregular a cycle--not optimal, but could definitely be worse. I'd be more concerned with cycles of 40 or more days, which might be indicative of PCOS. Still, if after a year and a half of trying, and if you're sure you've been having optimally timed intercourse for the days leading up to ovulation/day of ovulation, it may be time to get some help. If you haven't already spoken with her OB, you need to do so. It's possible that even though the hormonal cues leading up to ovulation (like the LH surge) are happening, that the oocyte being released at ovulation is non-viable, or perhaps there's no oocyte at all. There may be a blockage or disruption of the uterine tube (perhaps due to scarring from endometriosis or some other infection.) Or there may be a sperm count or sperm motility issue. Experts recommend that if you have optimally timed intercourse for 6 to 12 months without success, it's time to talk to your doctor. So I'd definitely suggest making an appointment.

One last thing...if she's waiting to test until she feels the mittelschmertz (that pain on the side that often accompanies ovulation) it's probably too late. Sometimes mittleschmertz doesn't happen until the day of or even AFTER ovulation. You need to be having intercourse and hopefully testing for several days BEFORE that happens. If her shortest cycle is 24 days long, start testing around day 8, and keep testing every day until there is a positive. First morning urine isn't necessarily the best way to go, as the LH surge tends to happen around the time you wake up and won't show up in urine until later in the day. 10AM to noon is about optimal. The LH surge is pretty short lived, so it's possible that testing once a day, you could miss it. If you don't seem to be picking up the surge, try testing twice a day. (YAY for the dollar store!)



Edited, Nov 18th 2006 at 2:29pm PST by Ambrya
#58 Nov 18 2006 at 3:42 PM Rating: Good
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Ambrya wrote:

DSD raises a very good point. Many OBs recommend having intercourse every other day to maximize sperm count. Due to the life-span of sperm,(2-3 days, though there are some cases of sperm living up to 5 days) this shouldn't have a negative impact on your chances at all.


We are having intercourse every other day. the man in me loves it but the Wannabe father in me just wants to knock up his wife :)

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24-28 days is not all that irregular a cycle--not optimal, but could definitely be worse. I'd be more concerned with cycles of 40 or more days, which might be indicative of PCOS. Still, if after a year and a half of trying, and if you're sure you've been having optimally timed intercourse for the days leading up to ovulation/day of ovulation, it may be time to get some help. If you haven't already spoken with her OB, you need to do so. It's possible that even though the hormonal cues leading up to ovulation (like the LH surge) are happening, that the oocyte being released at ovulation is non-viable, or perhaps there's no oocyte at all. There may be a blockage or disruption of the uterine tube (perhaps due to scarring from endometriosis or some other infection.) Or there may be a sperm count or sperm motility issue. Experts recommend that if you have optimally timed intercourse for 6 to 12 months without success, it's time to talk to your doctor. So I'd definitely suggest making an appointment.


I am going to be making an appointment with the doc this coming monday to get my swimmers checked out.

Ambrya wrote:
One last thing...if she's waiting to test until she feels the mittelschmertz (that pain on the side that often accompanies ovulation) it's probably too late. Sometimes mittleschmertz doesn't happen until the day of or even AFTER ovulation. You need to be having intercourse and hopefully testing for several days BEFORE that happens.


No. She is testing befor hand and when we get a positive test then its up to the the baby-making chamber

Again, thanks for all of the information.

We appreciate it :)



#59 Nov 18 2006 at 3:51 PM Rating: Good
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good luck. Just dont come bitching in here when your wife goes postal during those horomone changes when it finally happens.
#60 Nov 18 2006 at 4:29 PM Rating: Good
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Good luck, Aadyn! Smiley: smile
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