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#27 Nov 15 2006 at 7:43 AM Rating: Good
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Didn't he ban all strip clubs or **** shops or something in NY?

That'd be reason right there not to vote for him.
I suppose that's what puts me off about him. His policies may go on paper as something else, but with the whole censorship bible-thumping thing he has going on... He seems very hung up on morality issues, and I've had enough of Bush trying to evangelize from the Oval Office. Bleh.

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What they need is to stop using food stamps for junk food and buy fresh vegetables and good cuts of lean meat.
I actually sat through a presentation on this the other day, and even though I can't remember the studies they quoted, it turns out that the distribution of supermarkets in the inner cities is very poor. If all you have to shop at is the equivalent of a 7-11, then you don't have much of a choice for organic/lean meat or fresh veggies. Just a thought.
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If I was American and if the Dems put someone like Kerry up there again, I'd vote for him.
No chance in hell.
#28 Nov 15 2006 at 7:44 AM Rating: Decent
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What they need is to stop using food stamps for junk food and buy fresh vegetables and good cuts of lean meat.


I think that doesn't apply only to poor people though, but I entirely agree.

Having said, in the UK, cheap junk food is very cheap, while nice, fresh vegetables, organic products, and quality food is very expensive. So the poor have to make a huge effort to eat properly, which can't be right. And since humans tend to take the eay, and most-advertised, option, they tend to eat shIt.

Vicious cycle.

I would quite enjoy seeing a Barack Obama Vs John McCain Presidential election. Both seem ok enough to me.
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#29 Nov 15 2006 at 8:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Having said, in the UK, cheap junk food is very cheap, while nice, fresh vegetables, organic products, and quality food is very expensive. So the poor have to make a huge effort to eat properly, which can't be right. And since humans tend to take the eay, and most-advertised, option, they tend to eat shIt.
Same problem here. I don't know about there, but here our government pays farmers not to grow anything. The key to low prices being mass production, this goverment funded underproduction drives prices up. It's sick. To what purpose they strive to keep us eating junk food I do not know, but it sure seems that's what they want.
#30 Nov 15 2006 at 8:34 AM Rating: Good
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nizdaar wrote:
Didn't he ban all strip clubs or **** shops or something in NY?

That'd be reason right there not to vote for him.

I suppose that's what puts me off about him. His policies may go on paper as something else, but with the whole censorship bible-thumping thing he has going on... He seems very hung up on morality issues, and I've had enough of Bush trying to evangelize from the Oval Office. Bleh.

It was more of banning strip clubs or **** shops within 200 yards or so of schools or churchs. Of course them schools and churchs are just about everywhere in an urban area like this, so it limited **** shops and strip clubs to about 15% of the city. It was overturned on appeal, and appealed by the city to a higher court, and then settled out of court by mayor bloomy for an limit on hours of operation to 7 PM - 4 AM. So the strippers have their afternoons free now.

The biggest thing Guilinai did was enforce a zero tolerance policy on minor crimes. The way the system works is not like on TV, the cops do not go investigate crimes and then start running around the city looking for the guys, they just issue an arrest warrant and go on to the next case, only special cases are investigated like on TV. The warrant squad would then get the case and they would often have a backlog of tens of thousands of indiviuals they wanted. There was a recent country wide roundup of outstanding poeple with arrest warrants just to highlight that.

Guiliani theorized that with the tens of thousands of criminals running around the city commiting often many repeat crimes, we could clean up the city by arresting them all. He theorized that if police cracked down on minor crimes, the law abiding citizens would be annoyed by it, but the criminals would not be able to tow the line and get caught by police and therefore alot of outstanding warrant criminals would be caught. So everything from loitering in the park, littering, jaywalking etc was enforced by police to the annoyance of many in the city at first, but a dramatic drop in crime followed as such a large percentage of the outstanding major warrant criminals were caught doing these minor crimes. Some people still remember the annoyance of having the minor crimes enforced after decades of being ignored and call Guiliani a facist here locally, but that won't carry over outside the city, especially since it was so effective in catching the major felons.



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#31 Nov 15 2006 at 8:58 AM Rating: Decent
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I never lived in NYC, but I lived near enough that I'd been there many times growing up. A few years ago I visited some family up there and was amazed by the difference. I'm sure some people didn't like the nearly dictatorial (not fascist - fascist doesn't mean what most people seem to think it means) approach, but sometimes that is what's needed to clean things up. The pendulum swings. Things get too free and you have anarchy, at which point the only solution is to really crack down, and that's what he did.
#32 Nov 15 2006 at 9:43 AM Rating: Decent
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fhrugby the Sly wrote:
Guiliani theorized that with the tens of thousands of criminals running around the city commiting often many repeat crimes, we could clean up the city by arresting them all. He theorized that if police cracked down on minor crimes, the law abiding citizens would be annoyed by it, but the criminals would not be able to tow the line and get caught by police and therefore alot of outstanding warrant criminals would be caught. So everything from loitering in the park, littering, jaywalking etc was enforced by police to the annoyance of many in the city at first, but a dramatic drop in crime followed as such a large percentage of the outstanding major warrant criminals were caught doing these minor crimes. Some people still remember the annoyance of having the minor crimes enforced after decades of being ignored and call Guiliani a facist here locally, but that won't carry over outside the city, especially since it was so effective in catching the major felons.

I saw this at the beginning of a Pacino movie the other night; a few dozen small-time hoods were given invites to meet the Yankees and ended up in an auditorium full of warrant officers.

Now, not that I know much about Rudy's background, I think he did a great job of helping clean up the Big Apple. But as Smash pointed out, his prior dealings with and against organized crime bears closer scrutiny.

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#33 Nov 15 2006 at 10:52 AM Rating: Good
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He has had health problems that would concern me.


As long as it's not an advanced case of Alzheimer's, I'm not too worried.

Actually his health problems are what made him the man he is today. His battle with cancer changed him from a hard nosed speaker, who always brimmed with animosity when faced with an adversarial question in a press conference or debate, to the soft spoken calm person demeanor he had after the cancer and during 9-11 through today.

My personal choice is still the same as six years ago - McCain. He also has had a battle with cancer, though he never had a bristling demeanor to lose during it.



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#34 Nov 15 2006 at 12:50 PM Rating: Decent
id vote for him
#35 Nov 15 2006 at 2:13 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm far too lazy to do my own research so does anyone know what Rudy was doing before he was mayor?


He was a DA in NY. He put a pretty good number of high level Mafiosos behind bars.

Having worked in NYC during his tenure as Mayor, he did some great things, and some not so great things. He cleaned up the streets, but did so by stomping all over people's rights.

His reputation did recieve a tremendous, and IMHO, well earned boost on 9/11. While our national leadership sat there blinking like a deer in the headlights of an oncoming truck, Rudy remained calm, and ACTED.

If I had to have a Republican as President, I could live with him. There's no doubt in my mind that he'd be infinitely better than the befuddled clod who currently holds that office. But then again, anyone that can tie their own shoes could probably do a better job than W.
#36 Nov 15 2006 at 3:26 PM Rating: Good
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I'd buy him a beer.. I'd vote for him as well.
#37 Nov 15 2006 at 3:52 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd buy him a beer.. I'd vote for him as well.


Whatever. The guy has nooooo shot. His 'exploratory committee' is going to come back and say "sir, you really don't poll as well when people were informed that you married your second cousin, divorced her, married another women, had children with her, and then openly had an affair in front of your children while you mayor. It seems the Evangelicals frown on that sort of thing. Also, your hookers have arrived."
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#38 Nov 17 2006 at 7:08 AM Rating: Good
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I'd buy him a beer.. I'd vote for him as well.


Whatever. The guy has nooooo shot. His 'exploratory committee' is going to come back and say "sir, you really don't poll as well when people were informed that you married your second cousin, divorced her, married another women, had children with her, and then openly had an affair in front of your children while you mayor. It seems the Evangelicals frown on that sort of thing. Also, your hookers have arrived."


I think he can count out the vote of Evangelicals when they find he is pro abortion. Second cousin really is no big deal, in fact in NY there is an exception to the law against marrying your first cousin if you are Italian.
#39 Nov 17 2006 at 10:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Pro-abortion? That term is such a farce. I've never met anyone who, other than in jest, actually pushing for abortion.


This is what it comes down to for me...

There are women who have conditions that will result in them dying if they go into labor. They are told this by their doctors; that they will die if they go into labor.

I, for one, refuse to tell these women that they must die. I, also, will not tell them that they must kill their child. Anti-abortionists, in my view, are would-be executioners of these women. Without jury nor trial you would sentence these women to death by birthing - probably the most excruciating way to go.

If a woman chooses to give her life for her unborn child by having it even knowing that she's going to die, I applaud her courage. I will not, however, take that choice to live or die away from her. I am not her judge, her jury, and for damned sure, not her executioner. What she chooses is between herself, her child, and her gods, and if that choice sends her to hell so be it. I will not be the one to punish her to death. I will not be a murderer by taking away her option to live.


This is why dems always demand clauses pertaining to the health of the mother in abortion restricting legislation, and why they vote against legislation that doesn't have it. Most of them are pretty willing to ban it in most any other case. i.e. some dumb HS kid who can't keep her panties on - no abortion for her.
#40 Nov 17 2006 at 12:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Also there's this.

Talk about ready made campaign ad footage.

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#41 Nov 17 2006 at 12:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Most of them are pretty willing to ban it in most any other case.


Preposterous.

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#42 Nov 17 2006 at 12:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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ThePalace wrote:

This is why dems always demand clauses pertaining to the health of the mother in abortion restricting legislation, and why they vote against legislation that doesn't have it. Most of them are pretty willing to ban it in most any other case. i.e. some dumb HS kid who can't keep her panties on - no abortion for her.


Great, well next time we need a completely off-the wall uninformed spokesperson, we'll call you.

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#43 Nov 17 2006 at 2:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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See, the poor people aren't really secretly driving around in Range Rovers and commuting to their summer home with thier kids while cheating the government. They use the money to EAT.

So, the ghetto bunnies collecting welfare and driving around in Cadillacs while sporting the latest FUBU, Rocca Wear and the like need that money to eat, eh? Sorry, roo. I'm not buying it. Its a case of misplaced priorities. The $200 the ghetto bunny just spent on new sneakers would go a long way to feeding a family for a couple of weeks and putting the welfare money back in the pockets of the working Americans it is being stolen from by the IRS. The culture of entitlement you and your ilk have created and continue to try and expand does nothing more than turn your constituents in to addicts fixing on the government needle twice a month.

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You understand it's completely impossible to do this unless you want starving children dying in the streets?

Am I the only one who sees this as a good thing? Evolution is something you people love to see taught in schools, why not allow it to go on in the real world?
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So, the ghetto bunnies collecting welfare and driving around in Cadillacs while sporting the latest FUBU, Rocca Wear and the like need that money to eat, eh? Sorry, roo. I'm not buying it.


Right, me either. Also, the kids who default on their college loans mean we should eliminate those programs entirely. If you want to go to college just work harder and save $100,000 so you can. While we're here, Judges take bribes, so let's just go ahead and eliminate the entire Judical system. Clearly it's corrupt and therefore serves no purpose, so that's gone. Wait, though, there's fraud in every federal and state legislative body too, so let's get rid of those entirely also. People find ways around any law, so it's not like we actually need any. That will save us a lot of tax dollars that would have been spent on Police. We clearly don't need them what with no laws to enforce.

Seeing my point yet, Corky?

Didn't think so.

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#45 Nov 17 2006 at 2:56 PM Rating: Decent
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So, the ghetto bunnies collecting welfare and driving around in Cadillacs while sporting the latest FUBU, Rocca Wear and the like need that money to eat, eh? Sorry, roo. I'm not buying it. Its a case of misplaced priorities. The $200 the ghetto bunny just spent on new sneakers would go a long way to feeding a family for a couple of weeks and putting the welfare money back in the pockets of the working Americans it is being stolen from by the IRS. The culture of entitlement you and your ilk have created and continue to try and expand does nothing more than turn
Prove to me that the idiots blowing all their money on crap like that are collecting welfare, and that the people collecting welfare are blowing it on crap like that, because I just haven't seen it. Not everyone in the ghetto is on welfare; particularly not the ones driving around in caddys, unless of course they're drug dealers or collecting unclaimed revenue somehow, but that's an entirely different issue that isn't remotely legal.

BTW, welfare has limits now; enacted by Clinton (via a republican house, but still, he could've veto'd it, but he didn't). First and only president to ever reform welfare - dem.. go figure.
#46 Nov 17 2006 at 3:39 PM Rating: Good
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Care to make a point? At this point you're being obtuse and rhetorical.

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Prove to me...because I just haven't seen it.

Then you should open your eyes, you f'ucking moron. That or stop assuming that if you haven't seen it it doesn't exist. I speak from a place of learned understanding and experience. Throw in a dash of conservatism and I'm a well rounded individual with the good of the country in mind.

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[quote=MoebiusLord]Then you should open your eyes, you f'ucking moron. That or stop assuming that if you haven't seen it it doesn't exist. I speak from a place of learned understanding and experience. Throw in a dash of conservatism and I'm a well rounded individual with the good of the country in ********************** I've seen people on welfare, and none of them had designer clothes. You're just ignorant, and want an excuse to ignore the poor.
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Care to make a point? At this point you're being obtuse and rhetorical.


The point was that you'd miss the point. Read it again, actually read it for the first time. Might as well be that you get a good laugh about how predictible you are, too.

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#49 Nov 18 2006 at 8:20 AM Rating: Default
left his wife for his mistress, i dont see it happening.

kind of hard to sell him to the conservitive right with that glaring hypocracy hanging over his head. and if he is hard to sell to the conservitive right, i dont see big bussiness tossing millions of their money away on him.

McCain on the other hand won alot of presteige standing up to this addministraition on the torture issue. sending a clear message that some moral issues transend lobbiest dollars to him. he would be an easy sell to the conservative right. he also scored alot of points with liberals for the same reasons. if it ends up a fight between him and Hillery, ill be voting republican in 2008.

dont see rudy getting very far. other than being the mayor when his city got hit, he really has no other outstanding virtues. its not like he demonstraited any outstanding leadership abilities during the crises other than doing what obviously needed to be done. anyone with common sense would have done the same. but then, demonstraiting common sence in itself would be an outstanding trait for a republican...........
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WASHINGTON, DC—After months of aggressive campaigning and with nearly 99 percent of ballots counted, politicians were the big winners in Tuesday's midterm election, taking all 435 seats in the House of Representatives, retaining a majority with 100 out of 100 seats in the Senate, and pushing political candidates to victory in each of the 36 gubernatorial races up for grabs.
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While analysts had been predicting a possible sweep for months, and early exit-poll numbers seemed favorable, politicians reportedly exceeded even their own expectations, gaining an impressive 100 percent of the overall national vote.

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Already confident they would have an easy time in the Midwest, a region long known for electing politicians, as well as with poll-going Americans in the deep South, politicians also picked up seats in each additional area of the country.
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"Even in the most hotly contested local races that went down to the wire, politicians still came out on top every time," she added.
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#51 Nov 18 2006 at 8:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Prove to me that the idiots blowing all their money on crap like that are collecting welfare, and that the people collecting welfare are blowing it on crap like that, because I just haven't seen it. Not everyone in the ghetto is on welfare; particularly not the ones driving around in caddys, unless of course they're drug dealers or collecting unclaimed revenue somehow, but that's an entirely different issue that isn't remotely legal.

Yeah, the FUBU and Escalade sporting thugs get that way selling dope...to welfare crack moms.

That's how it works in Westchester, at least.
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