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#1 Nov 14 2006 at 10:58 AM Rating: Good
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Whatcha think, Pubbies? Can he get elected? I know 9/11 did wonders for his PR, but I can't help but remember what a freaking Puritan he was before that.
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Giuliani moves toward White House bid By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer
Tue Nov 14, 7:09 AM ET


WASHINGTON - The man once dubbed "America's mayor" has taken the first step toward becoming America's next president.

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, a Republican moderate who achieved near-mythic popularity for his handling of the Sept. 11 attacks, filed papers Friday in New York to create the Rudy Giuliani Presidential Exploratory Committee Inc. A copy of the document was obtained by The Associated Press.

Creating an exploratory committee does not make Giuliani a declared candidate, but it does mean he intends to travel the country gauging support and preparing for a White House bid.

"Mayor Giuliani has not made a decision yet," Giuliani spokeswoman Sunny Mindel said in a statement Monday night. "With the filing of this document, we have taken the necessary legal steps so an organization can be put in place and money can be raised to explore a possible presidential run in 2008."

One potential rival for the GOP nomination, Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record) of Arizona, said Sunday he was taking the initial step of setting up an exploratory committee.

Under federal election law, an exploratory committee allows an individual to travel and gauge the level of support for a candidacy without formally declaring themselves a candidate and adhering to all the federal rules of fundraising. An individual who spends money only to test the waters — but not to campaign for office — does not have to register as a candidate under the election law.

The GOP field is expected to grow with other presidential hopefuls, among them Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, Sen. Bill Frist (news, bio, voting record) of Tennessee, Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and New York Gov. George Pataki.

Democratic Gov. Tom Vilsack of Iowa has filed to establish a full-blown campaign committee and will make a more formal announcement of his candidacy later this month.

Giuliani has said for months that he would wait until after the 2006 elections to decide whether to embark on a White House bid. The former mayor is a moderate who supports gun control, same-sex civil unions, embryonic stem-cell research and abortion rights — stands that would put him at odds with the majority of the GOP conservative base.

In 2006, the Giuliani brand remained strong. He headlined fundraisers for Republican candidates nationwide, and his travel has done little to deny 2008 ambitions.

Giuliani enjoys strong name recognition. An AP-AOL News poll conducted in late October found that, among Republicans, Giuliani was essentially tied with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and McCain as the person they would most like to see elected president in 2008. Rice has insisted that she will not run.

Giuliani was in his final months as New York City mayor when a pair of planes crashed into the World Trade Center's towers. Within hours, he was visiting the site, caked in dust and walking through the chaos, a moment replayed repeatedly on television.

Assuming the role of "America's Mayor" and Time magazine's Person of the Year for 2001, Giuliani remained an in-demand speaker and GOP fundraiser. He was the first Republican to lead New York City in decades, cut crime and redeveloped rundown parts of the city.

He was a former U.S. attorney, leading campaigns against organized crime and corruption. He spent two years as the Justice Department's No. 3 post, overseeing all U.S. attorneys, the Drug Enforcement Agency and the U.S. Marshals Service. The Brooklyn native was first elected New York's mayor in 1993.

Prior to Sept. 11, Giuliani also his share of critics, many of whom argued that the city's falling crime rate was partly due to an overly aggressive police force that too often used excessive or deadly force.

Giuliani eyed a run for the Senate in 2000, but he ended that bid while battling prostate cancer and a made-for-tabloids divorce from television star Donna Hanover. The messy divorce and his relationship with Judith Nathan made a campaign against Hillary Rodham Clinton all the more difficult.

#2 Nov 14 2006 at 10:59 AM Rating: Decent
I'd vote for him.
#3 Nov 14 2006 at 11:01 AM Rating: Good
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I'd vote for him.
This I assumed, since he's got the whole "carry a big stick" thing down and you, my girl, are anything but subtle, but he's actually socially conservative. War on Terror aside, he makes me uneasy.
#4 Nov 14 2006 at 11:08 AM Rating: Decent
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moderate who supports gun control, same-sex civil unions, embryonic stem-cell research and abortion rights


All he needs to add is increased funds to education and military and I'd vote him King.
#5 Nov 14 2006 at 11:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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Financed by what wizardry?

He has had health problems that would concern me.
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#6 Nov 14 2006 at 11:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Financed by what wizardry?





Hopefully by cutting funding to welfare.
#7 Nov 14 2006 at 11:22 AM Rating: Decent
The One and Only Katie wrote:
Samira wrote:
Financed by what wizardry?





Hopefully by cutting funding to welfare.


Then what the hell are you going to do for money?










Kidding... No, seriouslly, what do you do?




Edited, Nov 14th 2006 at 11:26am PST by Kaelesh
#8 Nov 14 2006 at 11:24 AM Rating: Decent
I'd vote for him, it would be fun to watch the heads of the religious right explode when they have nobody to vote for.
#9 Nov 14 2006 at 11:37 AM Rating: Good
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It was a long while ago, but from what I remember of his stint as Mayor, he was a fan of censorship for the arts, and post 9-11, he's made light of the impact of the ground zero air on city workers. He doesn't gel for me.
#10 Nov 14 2006 at 11:37 AM Rating: Decent
Kaelesh the Puissant wrote:
The One and Only Katie wrote:
Samira wrote:
Financed by what wizardry?





Hopefully by cutting funding to welfare.


Then what the hell are you going to do for money?










Kidding... No, seriouslly, what do you do?




Edited, Nov 14th 2006 at 11:26am PST by Kaelesh


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#11 Nov 14 2006 at 11:41 AM Rating: Decent
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It was a long while ago, but from what I remember of his stint as Mayor, he was a fan of censorship for the arts, and post 9-11, he's made light of the impact of the ground zero air on city workers. He doesn't gel for me.


Nor I. I think he's full of it. I can't be bothered to look his ratings up prior to 9/11 but I don't recall them being worth a damn. Suddenly after 9/11 he's some saint? I smell bullshit.
#12 Nov 14 2006 at 11:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm far too lazy to do my own research so does anyone know what Rudy was doing before he was mayor? Mainly, does he have an actual voting record to point at when you say he's moderate on abortion, civil unions, gun control, et al?
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#13 Nov 14 2006 at 12:12 PM Rating: Decent
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I seem to recall him getting quite a reputation as a prosecutor in NY. I think he took on the mafia or something and gained notoriety as a tough-as-nails crime fighter.

But then again my memory sucks.
#14 Nov 14 2006 at 12:13 PM Rating: Decent
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He did wonders cleaning up NYC, but I'm not sure that translates well into the presidency. We don't want the president interfearing in our citys, be it to clean them up or whatnot - states rights and all that.

On the plus side he's very capable in a crisis, but is that enough?
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I seem to recall him getting quite a reputation as a prosecutor in NY.
That's right. I thought he had something to do with law enforcement but, yeah, prosecutor. I haven't followed him closely enough to have an opinion but was wondering where the claims of his social leanings stemmed from.
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The One and Only Katie wrote:
I'd vote for him.
This I assumed, since he's got the whole "carry a big stick" thing down and you, my girl, are anything but subtle, but he's actually socially conservative. War on Terror aside, he makes me uneasy.


Strange. He's generally considered to be a social liberal in terms of record. He's openly stated that he's pro-choice and pro gay marriage (not that those two things alone define social liberalism, but they're two biggies). Only in the last few years has he done things to beef up his juice with the far right (like endorse far right candidates for other offices).

His past is a bit too checkered for him to have a serious presidential bid. Waaaay too many skeletons in that man's closet.
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#18 Nov 14 2006 at 3:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Didn't he ban all strip clubs or **** shops or something in NY?

That'd be reason right there not to vote for him.
#19 Nov 14 2006 at 3:35 PM Rating: Good
Soooooo Rudy vs. Hillary in '08? God the stench burns the nostrils.
#20 Nov 14 2006 at 3:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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The One and Only Katie wrote:
Samira wrote:
Financed by what wizardry?





Hopefully by cutting funding to welfare.


Medicare and Social Security aside, you could cut every penny of ADC and not come up with a drop in the military bucket.

No one is going to seriously take on Medicare and SS.
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I'm far too lazy to do my own research so does anyone know what Rudy was doing before he was mayor?


Taking bribes from the mob.

He's got no shot of making it through the GOP primaries. Too liberal, too many skeletons.

This is ego boost time nothing more.

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Hopefully by cutting funding to welfare.


You understand it's completely impossible to do this unless you want starving children dying in the streets?

See, the poor people aren't really secretly driving around in Range Rovers and commuting to their summer home with thier kids while cheating the government. They use the money to EAT.

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#23 Nov 15 2006 at 4:11 AM Rating: Decent
Smash, while I appreciate that there is a good portion that does need the welfare, I'm also very aware there is a portion that are using it as a meal check. I hate those people. I'd rather we implement a breeding license.
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They use the money to EAT.
That's their first problem. They should be using it to buy food.


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What they need is to stop using food stamps for junk food and buy fresh vegetables and good cuts of lean meat. When I had all 3 girls living with me, I often had enough left at the end of the month to buy us some sirloin steaks.

The way most folks shop around here, they are guarantee to get heart disease and diabetes.

Now that the kids are gone, I don't get enough to afford the steaks, but I'm temped to get some lamb chops, I saw on sale yesterday.
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If I was American and if the Dems put someone like Kerry up there again, I'd vote for him.
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